what is the diffrence

Halfdeck · 2006-03-10, 03:54 AM

Stu, that's what I was using yesterday (or 2 nights ago?) for checking your domain PRs

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Originally Posted by Bill

It's a gimmick. The only real use I can think of for it would be to try to convince somebody your website has a higher pr than the googlebar shows, so that you can talk them into linking to you, or buying your website for a higher price.

That live PR link runs a tool built by one of Jim W's friends and it does a RK lookup on various DC's, including 3 main BD. Jim W suspects that RK might be Google's internal PR. A few will say it's voodoo of course but its interesting nonetheless. Even randish has picked it up, and posted about it on digitalpoint. Personally, I would not call it a gimmick. It is flawed; it doesn't send the site:xxx.com query to Google from what I've read; someone else wrote an ajax code I can run off my desktop, which is what I play with.

Bill · 2006-03-10, 04:31 AM

By gimmick, I mean it's of marginal practical use.

If you think it's not a gimmick, what use would you put it to?

Halfdeck · 2006-03-10, 08:21 AM

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By gimmick, I mean it's of marginal practical use.

If you think it's not a gimmick, what use would you put it to?

For one thing, I wouldn't use "live PR" as a bargaining chip for linktrades

But even if there were no practical uses, as I said it's one piece of the Google puzzle, however small that piece might be, and food for thought when I have a few minutes to kill.

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I don't know what "live pr" tool you are using, but tools like that attempt to use a mathematical formula that checks the pr of the pages linking to the page you are testing, does a few calculations, and show you an approximation of what the pr of the page would be if google were to update pr that day.

To go back to your previous post, this particular script (and a few others I've seen) doesn't do any adding from what I understand. It sends a query to Google, then Google answers back with an XML file. The PR displayed on a page as *Live PR* is a number taken from that XML file.

Future PR probably does involve some math, but I have no clue how that works.

Bill · 2006-03-10, 03:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

To go back to your previous post, this particular script (and a few others I've seen) doesn't do any adding from what I understand. It sends a query to Google, then Google answers back with an XML file. The PR displayed on a page as *Live PR* is a number taken from that XML file.

Future PR probably does involve some math, but I have no clue how that works.

Well, as I'm always the first to say, there are certain types of technical details which I pretty much ignore. So if you say the tool queries datacenters and gets an xml file which it then processes and extracts a number to display as a live pr, I'm happy to stipulate.

I instantly sort everything I study about the SE's into two categories - practical use and no practical use.

Once I've put something into the no practical use pile I tend to flush the details from my memory, and store a synopsis. So, that was my summary.

I still don't see a practical use for it. It's a little amusing that the "real" google pr is so easily available, as a number in an xml file, when google goes to so much trouble to obscure it.

But I don't see a way to convert that into sales, so I'm planning on dumping it back into the no practical use bin.

Linkster · 2006-03-11, 05:43 PM

First off - I dont know why anyone would want to know what the PR (displayed anywhere!!!) of a page is (note I said page - and not site).
It keeps being bantered around as the bargaining chip for link trades etc and yet it is one of the smallest indicators of where a site will rank as far as Google is concerned. It certainly plays very little into how important Google thinks the site is since it is able to be manipulated so easily.
That said - the facts about PR are - the displayed PR on the toolbar is updated about every 3 months, the PR Google uses for its algorithm is updated almost every day and the best representation of a pages PR is in the Google directory listings - for example: http://www.google.com/Top/Adult/Comp...Sites/Variety/
Note the pages have a little bar to the left of each listing - if you view the source of the page you will find the code used to make those imgs - /images/pos.gif" width=11, height=4 The width goes from 1-40 and it is somewhere around a mathematical logmarithic base 7 number, not linear.
Interesting stuff but it still has so little to do with where a page ranks in the SE results pages, that as Bill said - it might as well go in the "no practical use" bin.

I also have always had a standing rule that says if you contact me for a link/traffic trade - you better not mention PR or I automatically say NO.

Halfdeck · 2006-03-11, 07:47 PM

First off, the title of this thread is "what's the difference" between live PR and toolbar PR, not "Will bigger PR help me rank higher in Google?", "will I get better linktrades using live PR?", or "Will knowing how live PR works make me any money?"

Bill posted that live PR was calculated by crunching numbers and resulted in a highly speculative PR, and I just said live PR isn't calculated at all by the script.

Anyway, here's one url Google spits out for those interested in stuff that won't make a dime

http://66.249.93.104/search?client=n...linkforsex.com

Bill · 2006-03-11, 08:11 PM

Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet.

I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools.

Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on.

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

2006-03-11, 05:43 PM	#5
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	First off - I dont know why anyone would want to know what the PR (displayed anywhere!!!) of a page is (note I said page - and not site). It keeps being bantered around as the bargaining chip for link trades etc and yet it is one of the smallest indicators of where a site will rank as far as Google is concerned. It certainly plays very little into how important Google thinks the site is since it is able to be manipulated so easily. That said - the facts about PR are - the displayed PR on the toolbar is updated about every 3 months, the PR Google uses for its algorithm is updated almost every day and the best representation of a pages PR is in the Google directory listings - for example: http://www.google.com/Top/Adult/Comp...Sites/Variety/ Note the pages have a little bar to the left of each listing - if you view the source of the page you will find the code used to make those imgs - /images/pos.gif" width=11, height=4 The width goes from 1-40 and it is somewhere around a mathematical logmarithic base 7 number, not linear. Interesting stuff but it still has so little to do with where a page ranks in the SE results pages, that as Bill said - it might as well go in the "no practical use" bin. I also have always had a standing rule that says if you contact me for a link/traffic trade - you better not mention PR or I automatically say NO. __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-03-11, 07:47 PM	#6
Halfdeck You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 985	First off, the title of this thread is "what's the difference" between live PR and toolbar PR, not "Will bigger PR help me rank higher in Google?", "will I get better linktrades using live PR?", or "Will knowing how live PR works make me any money?" Bill posted that live PR was calculated by crunching numbers and resulted in a highly speculative PR, and I just said live PR isn't calculated at all by the script. Anyway, here's one url Google spits out for those interested in stuff that won't make a dime http://66.249.93.104/search?client=n...linkforsex.com __________________ Success is going from failure to failure without a loss of enthusiasm.

2006-03-10, 04:31 AM	#2
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	By gimmick, I mean it's of marginal practical use. If you think it's not a gimmick, what use would you put it to?

2006-03-11, 08:11 PM	#7
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet. I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools. Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on. I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.