what is the diffrence

[Bill]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

To go back to your previous post, this particular script (and a few others I've seen) doesn't do any adding from what I understand. It sends a query to Google, then Google answers back with an XML file. The PR displayed on a page as *Live PR* is a number taken from that XML file.

Future PR probably does involve some math, but I have no clue how that works.

Well, as I'm always the first to say, there are certain types of technical details which I pretty much ignore. So if you say the tool queries datacenters and gets an xml file which it then processes and extracts a number to display as a live pr, I'm happy to stipulate.

I instantly sort everything I study about the SE's into two categories - practical use and no practical use.

Once I've put something into the no practical use pile I tend to flush the details from my memory, and store a synopsis. So, that was my summary.

I still don't see a practical use for it. It's a little amusing that the "real" google pr is so easily available, as a number in an xml file, when google goes to so much trouble to obscure it.

But I don't see a way to convert that into sales, so I'm planning on dumping it back into the no practical use bin.

[Linkster]

First off - I dont know why anyone would want to know what the PR (displayed anywhere!!!) of a page is (note I said page - and not site).
It keeps being bantered around as the bargaining chip for link trades etc and yet it is one of the smallest indicators of where a site will rank as far as Google is concerned. It certainly plays very little into how important Google thinks the site is since it is able to be manipulated so easily.
That said - the facts about PR are - the displayed PR on the toolbar is updated about every 3 months, the PR Google uses for its algorithm is updated almost every day and the best representation of a pages PR is in the Google directory listings - for example: http://www.google.com/Top/Adult/Comp...Sites/Variety/
Note the pages have a little bar to the left of each listing - if you view the source of the page you will find the code used to make those imgs - /images/pos.gif" width=11, height=4 The width goes from 1-40 and it is somewhere around a mathematical logmarithic base 7 number, not linear.
Interesting stuff but it still has so little to do with where a page ranks in the SE results pages, that as Bill said - it might as well go in the "no practical use" bin.

I also have always had a standing rule that says if you contact me for a link/traffic trade - you better not mention PR or I automatically say NO.

[Halfdeck]

First off, the title of this thread is "what's the difference" between live PR and toolbar PR, not "Will bigger PR help me rank higher in Google?", "will I get better linktrades using live PR?", or "Will knowing how live PR works make me any money?"

Bill posted that live PR was calculated by crunching numbers and resulted in a highly speculative PR, and I just said live PR isn't calculated at all by the script.

Anyway, here's one url Google spits out for those interested in stuff that won't make a dime

http://66.249.93.104/search?client=n...linkforsex.com

[Bill]

Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet.

I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools.

Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on.

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by Bill

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

Bill, I'm definitely not making an assertion that live PR is Google's internal PR. Still, If you look at the url I just posted, it has 8bb92c8b3 as one of the query strings which is a security measure to make it difficult for people to access Google's database. Try looking up another domain with that URL and you'll find it won't work.

That hash was cracked long time ago by reverse engineering the Google toolbar from what I heard. I'm not sure the script I used to generate that url is even legal.

[Bill]

So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by Bill

So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?

I have no idea. The fact that there are no adsense ads or anything on that page should tell you something though.

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Still, If you look at the url I just posted, it has 8bb92c8b3 as one of the query strings which is a security measure to make it difficult for people to access Google's database. .

That isnt a security measure - that is the checksum assigned to each url by google - you can get it by looking at the cookie google places on your computer when you use the toolbar