what is the diffrence

Bill · 2006-03-11, 08:11 PM

Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet.

I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools.

Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on.

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

Halfdeck · 2006-03-11, 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

Bill, I'm definitely not making an assertion that live PR is Google's internal PR. Still, If you look at the url I just posted, it has 8bb92c8b3 as one of the query strings which is a security measure to make it difficult for people to access Google's database. Try looking up another domain with that URL and you'll find it won't work.

That hash was cracked long time ago by reverse engineering the Google toolbar from what I heard. I'm not sure the script I used to generate that url is even legal.

Bill · 2006-03-11, 09:56 PM

So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?

Halfdeck · 2006-03-11, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill

So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?

I have no idea. The fact that there are no adsense ads or anything on that page should tell you something though.

Linkster · 2006-03-12, 07:24 AM

Halfdeck - that link that you posted is checking the stored text file that Google has for that url to get posted in the toolbar PR display - what makes that any different than just using the toolbar other than not putting cookies on ones own computer? That datacenter is one of the standard BD servers.
That xml is how Google transmits the text file to the toolbar and that has been around since 2002 and works as long as you know the checksum for your urls - it shouldnt be a problem using unless you are doing any auto queries.
Its interesting that they still serve the xml as they replaced that with a little text file some time back (a few years ago) to transmit the PR to the toolbar

Halfdeck · 2006-03-13, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Linkster

Halfdeck - that link that you posted is checking the stored text file that Google has for that url to get posted in the toolbar PR display

Linkster, if you look at the url, I ran a site:xyz.com on a BD dc (I can check any DC I want and any query string, instead of site:xyz.com and return anything from 1 to 100 results). The XML returned represents a list of SERP results.

Here's the XML for the search "free porn" on 64.233.179.99 (random DC I chose) that returns the first 100 results.

http://64.233.179.99/search?client=n...&q=free%20porn

The checksum isn't a "security measure" per se (ok, I exaggerated). One reason for Google putting it there is probably to prevent people from using scripts to send loads of automated queries. Yes, there are various ways you can pull up the checksum, including cookies.

Linkster · 2006-03-13, 02:15 PM

I understand what you are doing with the xml - but what good does it do anybody - the rank in the results is the rank displayed in the toolbar, and certainly doesnt give any more info than just doing the same search and viewing the source of the resulting SERPs - seems kinda like a waste of time???

Linkster · 2006-03-12, 07:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Halfdeck

Still, If you look at the url I just posted, it has 8bb92c8b3 as one of the query strings which is a security measure to make it difficult for people to access Google's database. .

That isnt a security measure - that is the checksum assigned to each url by google - you can get it by looking at the cookie google places on your computer when you use the toolbar

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2006-03-13, 02:15 PM	#7
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	I understand what you are doing with the xml - but what good does it do anybody - the rank in the results is the rank displayed in the toolbar, and certainly doesnt give any more info than just doing the same search and viewing the source of the resulting SERPs - seems kinda like a waste of time??? __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2006-03-11, 08:11 PM	#1
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Well, halfdeck, your summary of how the tool works was better than mine, so I've stored it as my new snippet. I've ended up deciding I must have stored that original summary from some earlier tool that did use the site: command (or however the tool would have gathered page data), and just never updated my definition for this most recent generation of tools. Note that I still haven't researched for myself to be certain your explantion is accurate, because again, that kind of technical detail isn't something I concentrate on. I do still find it interesting that, if true, there is a realtime PR number available from the datacenters, after google went to such trouble to obscure pr. That just strikes me as odd.

2006-03-11, 09:56 PM	#3
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	So, is the live pr tool doing something google would consider a violation of terms then?