Did Hell freeze over and I didn't notice

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I think the rednecks will tell their wives to vote for who ever the relegous right is backing, but when the women get in to the voting booths and those curtians close, I bet they vote for Hillary

We've chatted about this before and I really don't believe that the US is open minded enough to have a female leader. I've travelled all over the USA and worked with 1,000s of women (I spent 5 years doing customer service consulting and that was 95% women and 4% gay men).

Hilary will get the vote of feminists but a lot of women will not vote for her because they think men should be in charge. I'm talking about women that work in corporate America as most don't want to be in charge and feel that men are better suited.

However, the dems could probably run Jimmy Carter or John Kerry and still win next year because of what you're saying about the republicans. The GOP has screwed things up so bad that I don't think they want to win the next Presidential election. Not if they want to do as the Communists say "What's good for the party".

They'll do a Bob Dole thingy and let McCain run on the condition that he steps down from the Senate. They know he'll loose and then they're done with a Republican that actually practices democracy instead of "Doing what's best for the party".

[Jim]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

They'll do a Bob Dole thingy and let McCain run on the condition that he steps down from the Senate. They know he'll loose and then they're done with a Republican that actually practices democracy instead of "Doing what's best for the party".

That is one of my biggest fears. Except, what if the republicans do run McCain and the Democrats run Hillary? McCain is actually liked by most people on both sides. He has the military record and as you say he tries to practice democracy. Just being a Republican will be enough for Republicans. And not being a woman and seeming to be a good, fair man would be enough for a lot of Democrats.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by Jim

That is one of my biggest fears. Except, what if the republicans do run McCain and the Democrats run Hillary? McCain is actually liked by most people on both sides. He has the military record and as you say he tries to practice democracy. Just being a Republican will be enough for Republicans. And not being a woman and seeming to be a good, fair man would be enough for a lot of Democrats.

That would be OK. McCain seems to believe in democracy while the current administration believes in fascism. McCain may be a republican but he still has the right values to lead a democracy.

With McCain as president and the dems controlling the house the nation will return to the people which is what I want.

The shit is going to hit the fan hard as the % of tax $ used to pay interest closes in on 20% of everything collected. No one can stop that now as Dubya has increased the size of government so much that we can't balance the budget easily. The next President will be publicised as a failure no matter what happens.

Remember Dubya still has nukes and the last 2 months of his office will be more frightening then his dads.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Jim

That is one of my biggest fears. Except, what if the republicans do run McCain and the Democrats run Hillary? McCain is actually liked by most people on both sides. He has the military record and as you say he tries to practice democracy. Just being a Republican will be enough for Republicans. And not being a woman and seeming to be a good, fair man would be enough for a lot of Democrats.

This is exactly what it looks like is going to be the case. IMHO, the only hope is a new horse down the line. This is the first election in a long, long, long, time that didn't have a standing Pres or past VP running so the field is wide open.

I think the US would vote for the right woman. I admire and like Hillary a lot but she is not that woman. Someone along the lines of a Madeline Albright would be stellar (but she wasn't born here).

And what the heck is all this about McCain in every media outlet? He's the same creep the rest of them are. OK, fought in battle, sometimes in opposition to the evil empire, a tobacco chewer (makes him kind of folksy doesn't it? I can't wait to see the spitoon next to the debate lectern). Even if he is Mr. Clean (which he's not), he knows all the other bullshit that's been going on and he has to participate to be a player. Nothing worse in my book than a gangster that pretends he's not (or one that's not and pretends he is). John McCain... NEXT!

However, I would get out the vote for any candidate that had one of two platforms either of which I think would be killer apps.

1. Platform is singularly to undo everything that Bush has done to the best of my ability (obviously Supreme Court is lost, whatever).

2. Platform that promises to do nothing or dedicates itself to eliminating millions of useless, bothersome, intrusive, ridiculous, laws, regulations and committes that have accumulated over the last 40 years. We all clean out our closets sometime don't we? Just leave us alone, send the money back (we'll pay shipping) and let the states handle it (sounds like the OLD republican platform doesn't it).

Lets start debating about what we don't need rather than more of what we do, because what we got isn't cool at all.

Finally, if your candidate is already a millionaire when he runs and you vote for him/her then you get what you got coming. If they're of average means, then at least its pretty easy to figure out when they or their posse has gone bad! Election financing won't let the average joe rise to the top? Probably right... see platform #2.

I remember reading that in the forties and fifties many states had little write-in protest spots for the voter and these were actually tabulated and published as kind of a quirk. These were eliminated because Mickey Mouse was getting an embarrassingly high number of votes. Maybe this should come back just to get a point across.