federal felony for Webmasters to use innocent words like "Barbie" or "Furby"

[Tommy]

I dont have a problem with this
the word intent is all over this

so if your taking other steps like labeling your pages they will never be able to prove any bad intent

[spazlabz]

I agree with Tommy 100%

Anyone who includes misleading "words" or "images" intended to confuse a minor into viewing a possibly harmful Web site could be imprisoned for up to 20 years and fined, the bill says.

i never intend for children to see any of the sites we have but if we have a model who is wearing hello kitty panties i might mention it.


spaz

[Useless]

As long as you can successfully prove your intent to a jury of your non-porn selling peers, you can go ahead and say whatever you want on your pages. "Intent" is going to be used in the manner that "obscene" is being used right now. They, not we, are going to decide what your intent it is.

[bartjes]

Of course the intention is good. I mean protecting children is one of the most important things there is.

But how can this make sense? banning words? what happened to freedom of speech?

And imo all sites / site owners that try to draw in children should be prosecuted, not just the ones who are using the word barbie or something.

P.S. should we all be worried about out "toys" category?

[spazlabz]

seriously! what porn company is actually trying to lure children onto their sites?? What would be the point?

Kid visits your site - they can't join they dont have a credit card
kid steals parents credit card to join a site and the parents charge back

the entire 'protecting children argument' is about as lame as they come. The simple fact of the matter is the only people trying to lure children are the ones who want to want to harm them in the first place. No adult company is interested in anyone under the age of eighteen because we cant use them as content and we cant get them to join our sites.

'Protecting minors' is the red herring the far right uses as its main weapon in its aresenal against the adult industry.


spaz

[Mr. Blue]

I'm not really sure why a porn website would want to lure just anyone there...if they don't have a credit card, I'm not interested in them, but I'm sure some webmasters use anything and everything to draw attention to themselves.

As long as there's no frivilous use of this, then I don't really have a problem with it.

[xxxjay]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I dont have a problem with this
the word intent is all over this

so if your taking other steps like labeling your pages they will never be able to prove any bad intent

OK, I am about to take on the role of the prosecution in the case of DOJ vs. SimpsonTwins.com:

"Ladies and gentlemen of the jury...it is clear that Mr. Evil Webmaster used the words "Simpson" from the cartoon and "twins" from the Olsen Twins with the INTENT to lure undergae surfers to their porn sites!"

[Michaelg]

Originally Posted by Tommy

I dont have a problem with this
the word intent is all over this

so if your taking other steps like labeling your pages they will never be able to prove any bad intent

Yeah, I agree with Tommy as well. BUT, we all know the Gov't is heading down the path to a "quiet" (as in it's not going to be told on by media news outright) Orwellian response to it's citizens. I definitly agree that ANY use of wording that is meant to lure children into an adult site for any reason should be grounds for jailing the shitballs responsable for up to 50 years or more. BUT, that does not mean it should give the Gov't ANY right to throw US all (and I mean adult webmasters who run legit businesses and sites) into the same category. For gods sakes, what ever happened to useing common sense and justice?

I have my pages labeled and have also included a FAQ by ASACP, also a link to report any type of suspected sites period, of that kind of low-life activity...I encourage people to do it too. I have reported many sites I've come across at other webmaster resource sites for listing underage shit etc., and I'll continue to do so for as long as it takes.

Just my 2cents

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by Michaelg

..included a FAQ by ASACP, also a link to report any type of suspected sites..|

Not a bad idea.

[karomesis]

I definitly agree that ANY use of wording that is meant to lure children into an adult site for any reason should be grounds for jailing the shitballs responsable for up to 50 years or more.

yeah....because christ knows that porn and sex kill more kids each year the violence and drug usage right? along with stepparents beating and killing their step kids(the cinderella effect).

you're fighting the wrong war.

let's compare stats shall we...you gather up all the kids killed each year by porn....and I'll do the same for stepparents and drug usage. you want 50 years? how about pelican bay if you're wrong?|shocking|

[virgohippy]

What, and face the grim truth?

http://www.yesican.org/news.html

[Michaelg]

Originally Posted by karomesis

yeah....because christ knows that porn and sex kill more kids each year the violence and drug usage right? along with stepparents beating and killing their step kids(the cinderella effect).

you're fighting the wrong war.

let's compare stats shall we...you gather up all the kids killed each year by porn....and I'll do the same for stepparents and drug usage. you want 50 years? how about pelican bay if you're wrong?|shocking|

...well, that's a pretty good side of the argument too, but why clean up the US streets of drugs and not allow parts of our own crooked Gov't to profit from street drug usage (you know, the thing about cocaine or what-not beaing smuggled by US airforce pilots onto a US base not long ago). As for jailing/getting rid of the child beaters, dead-beat parents etc., why put all the lawyers and judges out of a job and prevent them from making shitloads of $$$ from all those cases, of which a growing percentage are beaing thrown back onto the streets, the asswipes get a hand slap and told not to do it again.

Yes, I'm beaing nicely sarcastic, but only to prove one of too many points about this country we live in...it has become corrupted by greed. Greed drives and motivates no matter what one must do to attain wealth or power. Yes, I love my country, but not what it's turning into.

But anyhow...if it meant I was able to stop a child from beaing beaten, r*ped or whatever, you're damned right I would risk my own civil libertys and risk 50 years at Pelican Bay. As for kids killed by porn...the big so called crackdowns on child p*rn is only a small dent in a huge problem, so yeah, porn can be blamed for that. BUT, as for US legit Webmasters who hate that kind of garbage, the US lawyers, judges, daddy Bush and son, Bush Jr., and all the rest of the guilty parties should get their heads out of their behinds and relise we are trying to do our part in keeping kids away from adult oriented content. It might be a small part we all play in this problem, but it's the effort that counts