Oldschool reinvented noob got a few questions!

[JD]

Hi all, I like this board, which brings me to post here

I was a webmaster back in 99, so stuffed around with free sites a bit and then into avs for years and it died a horrible death (avs), and so did my bank account, oh well |confused|
Then I did galleries for a while (yukk), hated them, lots of work for little result imho. So three weeks ago I've gone back to my free site stuff, where I really started, back when there was only 6 or so big sponsors around . Now I see theres zillions and zillions of them.

My questions based on the new breed of free site builders follows:

1. Can you still make a living creating free sites these days? Probably a dumb ass question considering all the people on here that make them, unless you all do it part time )

2.Are there any sponsors that basically you just won't get listed with (even if you have 2 day old content from them)? For example, I've been using deecash and I like them, dont seem to have a problem with getting listed, BUT if I used nasty dollars with new content would I still get listed on the major sites? I guess I'm looking for a list of a few sponsors that just wont be accepted at the larger link lists, if thats the case. I imagine its a bit different than the gallery people though, there they are very strict with you having hte same sponsors they have on their sites.

3. I am building one or two free sites each day and submitting them to 20 or so link lists. I know its a difficult question to answer, but how long (ball park figure) is it taking you guys to see lets say a sale a day after submitting every day? I know thats a small ammount of income but I realise things take a long time, like Xallow (sp?), after 3 weeks of solid work, I havent seen much in sales or traffic, but I do realise, like the tgp game(only way its like it), it does take time to get the traffic coming in and getting listed (at ll's and se's). So do you think after 3 months of submitting daily I might see a couple sales a day from the work? (I know its a tough question, depends of multiple factores)

4. Vids or pics these days? I've tried some free movie sites, and pic sites as well, and for some reason, I'm not seeing as much traffic to the movie sites. What are you experienced builders finding? Pics or movies, or a mixture of the two (not on same site, thats a no no I hear?

5. Whats bandwidth like these days making and submitting 1 or 2 sites a day to all the large sites? Is it pretty small? I am used to large BW on the galleries in the past, just wondering if a 10mb server is required in the long run of free site building if you are using movies a lot?

6. Htaccess - do u guys still use it? Do u use something to protect movies as well?

Thanks guys, sorry for all the questions, I've been reading lots on here, and found some good posts, now its just a matter of getting past the pain barrier of building until I can see some results for the hard work!
I know there wont be the bullshit that you get at gfy with everyone saying they are making millions at this stuff )

JD
(justin)

[Xallow]

Not much I can tell You JD, since I am still pretty new myself, but I can tell You that submitting to 20 LL's is probably not enough... I submit each FS to up to 80 LL's and I know there are some here that are well over 100 LL's.

[JD]

Originally Posted by Xallow

Not much I can tell You JD, since I am still pretty new myself, but I can tell You that submitting to 20 LL's is probably not enough... I submit each FS to up to 80 LL's and I know there are some here that are well over 100 LL's.

Hi Xallow

Well, I submit to 16 per mirror page, so at the moment I'm just submitting 32 all together. So you have 4 or more mirror pages per site yeh? I find it a bit tricky when you get to say number 20 and lower, where to list them on which recip table especially not to offend them with smaller link lists on their table. For example some of the smaller link lists still say they want to be listed with the big link lists, which is a bit hard when you have all the big ones together. How do you go with this organisational stuff??

JD

[juggernaut]

Originally Posted by JD

Hi all, I like this board, which brings me to post here

I was a webmaster back in 99, so stuffed around with free sites a bit and then into avs for years and it died a horrible death (avs), and so did my bank account, oh well |confused|
Then I did galleries for a while (yukk), hated them, lots of work for little result imho. So three weeks ago I've gone back to my free site stuff, where I really started, back when there was only 6 or so big sponsors around . Now I see theres zillions and zillions of them.

My questions based on the new breed of free site builders follows:

1. Can you still make a living creating free sites these days? Probably a dumb ass question considering all the people on here that make them, unless you all do it part time )

2.Are there any sponsors that basically you just won't get listed with (even if you have 2 day old content from them)? For example, I've been using deecash and I like them, dont seem to have a problem with getting listed, BUT if I used nasty dollars with new content would I still get listed on the major sites? I guess I'm looking for a list of a few sponsors that just wont be accepted at the larger link lists, if thats the case. I imagine its a bit different than the gallery people though, there they are very strict with you having hte same sponsors they have on their sites.

3. I am building one or two free sites each day and submitting them to 20 or so link lists. I know its a difficult question to answer, but how long (ball park figure) is it taking you guys to see lets say a sale a day after submitting every day? I know thats a small ammount of income but I realise things take a long time, like Xallow (sp?), after 3 weeks of solid work, I havent seen much in sales or traffic, but I do realise, like the tgp game(only way its like it), it does take time to get the traffic coming in and getting listed (at ll's and se's). So do you think after 3 months of submitting daily I might see a couple sales a day from the work? (I know its a tough question, depends of multiple factores)

4. Vids or pics these days? I've tried some free movie sites, and pic sites as well, and for some reason, I'm not seeing as much traffic to the movie sites. What are you experienced builders finding? Pics or movies, or a mixture of the two (not on same site, thats a no no I hear?

5. Whats bandwidth like these days making and submitting 1 or 2 sites a day to all the large sites? Is it pretty small? I am used to large BW on the galleries in the past, just wondering if a 10mb server is required in the long run of free site building if you are using movies a lot?

6. Htaccess - do u guys still use it? Do u use something to protect movies as well?

Thanks guys, sorry for all the questions, I've been reading lots on here, and found some good posts, now its just a matter of getting past the pain barrier of building until I can see some results for the hard work!
I know there wont be the bullshit that you get at gfy with everyone saying they are making millions at this stuff )

JD
(justin)

I can only help you answer a couple of these and I'm sure others will follow.

1) I think you can still make a living with FS but you have to be agressive. It's like anything else, flood the market and sales should come in as long as you keep up with it.

2) I stick with the sponsers GG has listed here and if I don't get listed with their stuff then I move on and just keep submitting. Set it can forget it. I dont dwell much on why they did not accept it, maybe I should as I guess I could get BL if I keep submitting stuff they don't want but I read the rules and submitting something someone does not like cause it's over used IMO should not get you BL. Cheating and not reading the rules will get your BL.

3) Put up some examples and others will tell you whats wrong. Depending on the amount of traffic I would think in 3 months you should have seen 1 or 2. But like you said others factors here so put up some examples and let the more seasoned pros give better advice on that.

4) I'll let a more seasoned pro work this. I don't deal with vids to much.

5) I would not worry about it till you get an overage bill. There are enough companies out there that you can work with to deal with this old nightmare. I would not buy a server either, not at this time. If you set the site up right and small then you should not really have a problem with page load times, I would think you need a shitload in order to kill your BW. Besides if you are going to go with movies I would let the sponser host that stuff.

6) Yes it's still used and used very often. It's your savor in most cases for blocking crap. And as far as blocking movies I have read two opinons. One says you can do it and one says you can't. The one that said you can't made much more technical sence to me and when I tried it I could not get it to work. I honestly believe you can't protect movies with that file. I think you need software or something. But remember opinons are like assholes. If someone here does have it working I'm sure others here would love to know how.

[JD]

Thanks for the post juggernaut.

Yes agressive, meaning work your ass off and make multiple sites a day instead of just chilling after making one and submitting it ).


Which sponsors that GG has listed, do you mean on his stats page, or is there a list of approved sponsors I cant see?

Hopefuly you mean after 3 months, 1 or 2 sales a DAY, not TOTAL, |shocking| Total would suck! I hate myself for not submitting a site a day for the last 5 years, $$$ down the toilet.

"if you are going to go with movies I would let the sponser host that stuff." Well that gos againsts some LL rules. everything sposed to be on your own domain, but no worries, will limit the movies )

Funny what you said about HT, the same thing was occuring years ago when I did this, some say the movie thing works, others no. But I will set up HT on my pic pages anyhow )

thanks again for your comments )
JD

Originally Posted by juggernaut

I can only help you answer a couple of these and I'm sure others will follow.

1) I think you can still make a living with FS but you have to be agressive. It's like anything else, flood the market and sales should come in as long as you keep up with it.

2) I stick with the sponsers GG has listed here and if I don't get listed with their stuff then I move on and just keep submitting. Set it can forget it. I dont dwell much on why they did not accept it, maybe I should as I guess I could get BL if I keep submitting stuff they don't want but I read the rules and submitting something someone does not like cause it's over used IMO should not get you BL. Cheating and not reading the rules will get your BL.

3) Put up some examples and others will tell you whats wrong. Depending on the amount of traffic I would think in 3 months you should have seen 1 or 2. But like you said others factors here so put up some examples and let the more seasoned pros give better advice on that.

4) I'll let a more seasoned pro work this. I don't deal with vids to much.

5) I would not worry about it till you get an overage bill. There are enough companies out there that you can work with to deal with this old nightmare. I would not buy a server either, not at this time. If you set the site up right and small then you should not really have a problem with page load times, I would think you need a shitload in order to kill your BW. Besides if you are going to go with movies I would let the sponser host that stuff.

6) Yes it's still used and used very often. It's your savor in most cases for blocking crap. And as far as blocking movies I have read two opinons. One says you can do it and one says you can't. The one that said you can't made much more technical sence to me and when I tried it I could not get it to work. I honestly believe you can't protect movies with that file. I think you need software or something. But remember opinons are like assholes. If someone here does have it working I'm sure others here would love to know how.

[SheepGuy]

What?! AVS's are dead ?!!
How come I'm still making most of my income from them?
Did I miss something?

[JD]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

What?! AVS's are dead ?!!
How come I'm still making most of my income from them?
Did I miss something?

Yes, I should have said "died a horrible death for me"
What ones are working for you these days SG (ones that are open to public that is!)
Is there much benefit in modifying all the free sites I'm making and submitting to avs these days?
thanks
JD

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by JD

Yes, I should have said "died a horrible death for me"
What ones are working for you these days SG (ones that are open to public that is!)
Is there much benefit in modifying all the free sites I'm making and submitting to avs these days?
thanks
JD

I do the best with ProAdult Quantum, but still do OK with Cyberage, and a bit with Sexkey and some of the smaller ones. What I like about AVS's is that you get recurring income on the premium sites and when you advertise on the inside pages you know that every surfer has a credit card, and has used it for porn. You can't get better quality traffic than that and I can use iframes to sell vidcams without any linklist owner refusing me for it (as long as it's inside).
Actually I make more from cams than I do most AVS's, but I don't do free sites anymore because I can't advertise them properly there.
There is still good money to be made on premium sites with an original look-feel to them. Since I've started accepting free sites on my LL I find they all look pretty much the same, but for that matter so do most paysites.
In a lot of ways I think creativity is being choked out of this biz, everybody knows what a free site should look like, everybody knows what a paysite should look like, and the results are predictable.
At least with an AVS I know I need a certain amount of content, more than with a free site, but I'm not chained to any sponsor, I can design the way I like, and as long as the surfer gets good value everyone's happy

[Greenguy]

1 - yes, that is a dumb question

2 - right now, there's no sponsors on my banned free content list

3 - impossible to answer

4 - movies seem to be more popular these days than in the past (probably due to lower bandwidth costs & more surfers on broadband connections)

5 - no idea

6 - everyone should be using htaccess for a number of reasons

[JD]

Thanks Greenie for your comments. Cheers to you also for still having a great LL and having super fast response times/linking times and also having your site open to the webmasters after all these years ). I like your answer to 1.

Originally Posted by Greenie

1 - yes, that is a dumb question

2 - right now, there's no sponsors on my banned free content list

3 - impossible to answer

4 - movies seem to be more popular these days than in the past (probably due to lower bandwidth costs & more surfers on broadband connections)

5 - no idea

6 - everyone should be using htaccess for a number of reasons