PornoTube

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Toby

What you're saying is that unless content owners find their content on pornotube and ask for it's removal, it will remain. That may be enough to cover your ass legally, but ethically it's a cop out. You know as well as I do that for every removal request there will be dozens if not hundreds of pics and vids posted without the authorization of the rightful owners.

IMHO Not really. This is simply the traditional model that has existed in law for copyright infringement forever. Your negative effects are no different than all those xerox pages out there but when there becomes an obvious and egregious infringement the owner serves notice and etc. Really I think there is not even an ethical quedstion involved. I think you're just seeing a competitive model change and its name is VIDEO. Don't be a hater, be a player, or a quiter.

Originally Posted by Toby

The only winners I see here are some program owners that will post their own content and AEBN who will redirect traffic to their own programs, with much of that traffic built upon the illegally posted content of others.

Though I technically agree, its only because this Pornotuby thing is the first name recognition/bw/scripted site. As others come online to compete for surfers they will add to the choices of type and manner of directing, getting, receiving, traffic and biz relationships.

I think you may be seeing a serious threat to text based LL's from two approaches, first surfers are clearly voting for video, so LL's may get relagated to the visually impaired and accessible audience if they fail to keep up. Secondly, video sites are a direct way for content providers to present their wares directly to the surfer bypassing the middleman LL owners who had previously directed them.

So the next question out there is how do you do this thing and how much bandwidth/computing power does it take?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by DJilla

...Really I think there is not even an ethical quedstion involved. I think you're just seeing a competitive model change and its name is VIDEO. Don't be a hater, be a player, or a quiter.

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. I think there is a considerable ethical question when the sites enormous traffic base is built upon a the availability of a huge amount of free porn, much of which is uploaded illegally. See the last sentence of Jeremy's post (#29) where he places the shoe on the other foot.

[DJilla]

Originally Posted by Toby

We're just going to have to agree to disagree here. I think there is a considerable ethical question when the sites enormous traffic base is built upon a the availability of a huge amount of free porn.

We don't even disagree I totally see where you're coming from and you are technically right. However, the market based reality is 21st century. Some CEO (Sun I think) years ago annoyed me with the proclamation that "privacy is dead, get over it" but he was right. The same can be said about "copyright is dead". The present model is just thrashing on the doctor's table and you're seeing the reality of it in things like we discussing here.

I would suggest that it is BECAUSE there is so much free porn out there that a site like porntube could be viable.... not the other way around. There has been way too much free porn out there becasue of the intense competition of having so many people in the business who really probably should'nt be there.

This phenomonon has been predicted for many years depending on broadband bandwidth infrastructure growth.

I totally agree that a company doing this had better have some good lawyers though 'cause they'll be in a dozen state courts on lots of bullshit cases.

But video is coming and coming FAST and its clearly what surfers want. WM's who want to stay better figure out how to do it or some version of it. Also, think.... how video transcends the marketplace and limitations of web language and reach. How many Mexican nationals are here on the board? A video site might be seeing international conversions go through the roof.