Are These New Piece Of Shit Options Now Standard In NATS?

[PBucksJohn]

Also,

In repsonse to the post about being able to see all of your NATS stats in one place like CCBill.

CCBill is a processor. They process the transactions and offer an affiliate solution to their clients.

NATS is a software product. It is a backend affiliate programs run regardless of the processor they are using.

This is the reason why CCBill can show you all of your stats together and NATS can not. NATS programs are fully independent of each other where as with CCBill they are all really reselling "CCBill" transactions. It is also the reason why checks for NATS programs can not be combined like CCBill programs can.

I understand a lot of people don't fully understand what NATS is or how it works. We are always happy to answer anyone's questions or concenrs, you just need to contact us.

We post a lot over at "that other big board" (and you can't imagine the headaches that come from some of the people on there, lol). I will try to be around here more often to answer people's questions here also should they come up.

We are also always reachable by email, icq, or by calling our office. Full contact info can be found at http://www.toomuchmedia.com/corporate/contact.html

[Preacher]

Man did you ever pick the wrong month to pop-up. You'll have to excuse my tone, I'm normally not so confrontational, but see my income has been affected so I'm a tad on edge.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I understand a lot of people don't fully understand what NATS is or how it works. We are always happy to answer anyone's questions or concenrs, you just need to contact us.

We post a lot over at "that other big board" (and you can't imagine the headaches that come from some of the people on there, lol). I will try to be around here more often to answer people's questions here also should they come up.

We are also always reachable by email, icq, or by calling our office. Full contact info can be found at http://www.toomuchmedia.com/corporate/contact.html

So I'm assuming being as you have posted here you don't mind explaining to someone like me -- a vanilla flavored affiliate -- exactly how things work then. See, I'm really confused by all these fancy stats and whatchamacallits, because I thought having features for me the affiliate would equate to me making more money, but turns out -- silly me -- I was wrong.

Can you please explain to me why when I'm sending the same traffic to the same sponsor from the same sources conversions suddenly nosedive when your cascade has been installed? Now I'm not one who "would rather curse, scream, complain, and insult on message boards..." without some proof for the pudding.

90 days prior to NATS
Total Raw-24154 unique-18406 sales-11 1:1673
45 days since the NATS conversion
Total Raw-21695 unique-10933 sales-1 1:10933

"As far as the benefits of cascading I typically see gains of 10% to 20% on our clients." No shit? What kinds of losses do the affiliates for those sponsors see? Now where would the extra income come from if they are paying you for the cascade? See I'm just an affiliate so maybe I'm missing something, I would think that might increase their expenses rather then raising their income.

You'll obviously know what sponsor I'm talking about, feel free to mention my issue to Arthur, he's already heard about it though.

[PBucksJohn]

Originally Posted by Preacher

Man did you ever pick the wrong month to pop-up. You'll have to excuse my tone, I'm normally not so confrontational, but see my income has been affected so I'm a tad on edge.

So I'm assuming being as you have posted here you don't mind explaining to someone like me -- a vanilla flavored affiliate -- exactly how things work then. See, I'm really confused by all these fancy stats and whatchamacallits, because I thought having features for me the affiliate would equate to me making more money, but turns out -- silly me -- I was wrong.

Can you please explain to me why when I'm sending the same traffic to the same sponsor from the same sources conversions suddenly nosedive when your cascade has been installed? Now I'm not one who "would rather curse, scream, complain, and insult on message boards..." without some proof for the pudding.

90 days prior to NATS
Total Raw-24154 unique-18406 sales-11 1:1673
45 days since the NATS conversion
Total Raw-21695 unique-10933 sales-1 1:10933

"As far as the benefits of cascading I typically see gains of 10% to 20% on our clients." No shit? What kinds of losses do the affiliates for those sponsors see? Now where would the extra income come from if they are paying you for the cascade? See I'm just an affiliate so maybe I'm missing something, I would think that might increase their expenses rather then raising their income.

You'll obviously know what sponsor I'm talking about, feel free to mention my issue to Arthur, he's already heard about it though.

If you'd like to contact me privately please feel free to do, ICQ 5596373. Just know that I am in the Northeast and we are having really bad winds and my connection is in & out every 5 minutes.

NATS hands the customer to the biller. It does not do billing. Ratios should not be greatly effected by simply plugging NATS in. Affiliate programs often change the join process when they move to NATS (adding a pre-join form, changing the pre-join form, alterting tours, etc.) which can cause ratios to change (for better or worse) but certainly not to the extent you mentioned. Although the 11 joins in 4.5 months is a bit low to get a full grasp on how the traffic is doing. There are fluctuation and it could be just a bad dip. I have no problem taking a look at your account on that sponsor program to make sure nothing is wrong. I believe overall tho that their affiliate ratios are up. I will speak with Arthur about this on Monday. Please contact me Monday or Tuesday (if not earlier) to discuss it.

As far as the benefits of cascading...

The gains I mentioned were gross revenue gains. An extra 10% to 20% in joins which means 10% to 20% more for affiliates also. I don't quite get your point on this, but I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant an overall 10-20% increase, not a 10-20% increase in margin for the program.

Your post didn't come off as rude or anything. People often have concerns, especially as you said when it comes to their income. I can understand being a little heated. Its when people don't provide any info and just want to say "abc sucks" or "xyz is stupid" that no one gets any help.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

Although the 11 joins in 4.5 months is a bit low to get a full grasp on how the traffic is doing. There are fluctuation and it could be just a bad dip. I have no problem taking a look at your account on that sponsor program to make sure nothing is wrong. I believe overall tho that their affiliate ratios are up. I will speak with Arthur about this on Monday. Please contact me Monday or Tuesday (if not earlier) to discuss it.

I will contact you early next week then. And while my traffic may not be the Hun's I said 11 joins in 90 days, that's 3 months.

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

The gains I mentioned were gross revenue gains. An extra 10% to 20% in joins which means 10% to 20% more for affiliates also. I don't quite get your point on this, but I think you misunderstood what I meant. I meant an overall 10-20% increase, not a 10-20% increase in margin for the program.

Where the Hell is Useless when you need him.

Someone else will jump on this point I'm almost sure, I'd rather be vague then to speak about the sponsor side of things which I've had no experience with.

Whoops, apparently Useless posted while I was typing!