Are These New Piece Of Shit Options Now Standard In NATS?

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[quote=Greenie;317062]They were using something else (I think the one that Lotza Dollars still uses)

GG, yes we're still using TabooTracking Software Company. Very simple and easy to deal with, but I would like to find/write a new software program that would display some more "in-depth" stats.

[quote=Useless Warrior;316606]I don't USE your product - your clients do. I, as an affiliate, haven't much choice in the matter. I have as of yet never seen a program ask for its affialiates' opinions on whether or not it should use NATS.

Useless Warrior...should I switch to NATS? Geez by the looks of this thread it maybe a bad decision ya think?

This is a really good thread ...very interesting

[Linkster]

Originally Posted by LB

I'm assuming NATS doesn't display the clicks that couldn't be tracked to a ref url?? Though I admit I will have to check that. .

If experience is any indication every program that I have that uses Nats has this tracking problem - the stats on the main page of the affiliate stats will show a number of 1st page hits and join page hits if they configure it that way - but if you go into the specific site you are sending to - the stats dont match - they are usually 20% less for referring urls although they do show the blank referrals and bookmark refs(which is where I would have assumed the discrepancy was) - so Im not sure where the rest go????

[Tvduijn]

I always wonder that aswell, today its even worse then normal at one of my sponsors, I try to track 670 uniques and I get refferals for.....75 uniques

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Linkster

If experience is any indication every program that I have that uses Nats has this tracking problem - the stats on the main page of the affiliate stats will show a number of 1st page hits and join page hits if they configure it that way - but if you go into the specific site you are sending to - the stats dont match - they are usually 20% less for referring urls although they do show the blank referrals and bookmark refs(which is where I would have assumed the discrepancy was) - so Im not sure where the rest go????

I think my favorite (not) is PanchoDog. Their NATS stats page will show I have 65-75 uniques on a given day, and when I check the referring URLs it only shows one or two.

[tickler]

My little 2¢ on this stuff.

So one of my sponsors that I have quite a few referrals on under ccBill. switched to NATs. Although they are maintaining all the old linking for ccBill(for now). All WMs need to signup again under NATs for access to promo, and linking codes.

From what I have been able to determine so far, my WMs referrals will no longer be tracked under the new system.

Great way to gain an extra 10% income for the sponsor by screwing the WMs out of their referrals commision.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by tickler

...Great way to gain an extra 10% income for the sponsor by screwing the WMs out of their referrals commision.

That's why I try to ask if anyone has signed up to the new program so that I can use their referral code

[Mr. Blue]

Very interesting thread indeed.

I don't really have a problem with Nats itself, more or less it's just another bit of software. What I do have a problem with is the hype that surrounded it when it got released and how many sponsors jumped on the nats bandwagon and used that as some sort of "cheat-proof" inducement to get affiliates to pump traffic to them.

Now that the hype period has ended, look through your stats, are you doing better with ratio wise with sponsors that use Nats? Or have you found the opposite to be true? Personally, I found the opposite to be true...right now the top 10 sponsors I use none of them are on Nats.

Doesn't mean I won't try sponsors using nats...it just means they better perform up to my other sponsors or they're getting dropped quick.

[rollergirl]

This is a very interesting thread. I have been thinking something was wrong for a long time. I have noticed a drop from my sponsors who switched to NATS. I'll have to get in an go over my stats from the long term to get some solid details.

Question.. I had great ratios with a sponsor when they were with ccbill. They switched to NATS but and my sales started slowing up immediately. I still see them in my CCbill list of sponsors and the linking code for this program still sends to their site. What is happening to traffic I send to them via the old CCbill link if the still process with ccbill. I don't know how the NATS software works enough to say it would or wouldn't interfere with my affiliate codes. I actually just went through my entire list of CCbill affiliates and found some that had moved to NATS and I didn't know.

I don't want to make this hard to undertand, so I'm asking what if you went back to promoting them via CCbill. I know a few programs that allow you to do both. (Which I appreciate).
Is that an option in the NATS program that the owner has to turn on or off? If not, couldn't a person go back and get the linking codes from CCbill and get paid from CCbill if the program owner still processes with CCbill? I know.. yada, yada cascading... but this specific processor only processes with ccbill that I can see thus far.

Also.. in NATS.. I also hate the 42 clicks it takes me to get to links.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by rollergirl

...so I'm asking what if you went back to promoting them via CCbill. I know a few programs that allow you to do both. (Which I appreciate).
Is that an option in the NATS program that the owner has to turn on or off?...

Hey Katie, LTNS.

Keeping the CCBill program live is simply a matter of maintaining a separate tour that leads to a CCBill join page. The NATS program would run independently of the CCBill program, but on the same domain.

I've had a couple of programs that switched to NATS from CCBill that were somehow able to track the CCBill ref code and convert it to a NATS ref code on the fly so that you still rec'd credit for traffic sent from old link codes. I'm not sure why all don't do that, but it sure makes me feel much better about those programs that did.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight.

Greenie; We're based in NJ, not too far from you

Hmmm maybe in very North Jersey near the artic circle where the nights are VERY long this time of year.

[BadWolf]

I've seen more than one thread before bashing both NATS and CCBill. When it comes to trust I accept that there are issues with both. Personally, I prefer NATS and I also find many sponsors that use CCbill to be inferior especially regarding promotional material but that's life.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by BadWolf

... and I also find many sponsors that use CCbill to be inferior especially regarding promotional material but that's life.

Believe me when I say that there is nothing in NATS as far as promotional material that you can't do with CCBill or any other admin.

And, there's a lot of programs that use NATS that have fuck all for promo material.

Promo material has everything to do with the program owner & nothing to do with the affiliate software.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by docholly

Hmmm maybe in very North Jersey near the artic circle where the nights are VERY long this time of year.

I spoke to him on ICQ on Tuesday night. He said he's been buried by GFY threads and reported problems at their board and that he had every intention of coming back here to answer the questions posed to him.

[BadWolf]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Believe me when I say that there is nothing in NATS as far as promotional material that you can't do with CCBill or any other admin.

And, there's a lot of programs that use NATS that have fuck all for promo material.

Promo material has everything to do with the program owner & nothing to do with the affiliate software.

I understand that. I just have seen so many small amateur sites that use CCBill that do not bother to put together any promotional materials that I almost literally groan when I see them asking for my CCBill affilate code when I click on the 'webmasters' link. That's not CCBills' fault in any way but it definitely creates a Pavlovian response in me.

It's not the end of the world, it's just more work for me if I choose to promote that sponsor. I guess it's more of an issue for me as I'm ending up promoting more and more small niche sponsors.

My point, which I should have made more clear, was that I deal with both CCBill and NATS whether I or not a get a warm glow from the experience.

[DangerDave]

Originally Posted by PBucksJohn

I will be answering everyone in detail tomorrow as I will not be back until late tonight.

Tick.. tick.. tick.. tick.. tick..

[Linkster]

I guess I will bring this one back to the top with a question:
Ive heard a lot of talk lately about a certain company removing a module that is part of Nats? possibly and that module having to do with scrubbing of joins - with a corresponding increase in that programs sales that was amazing
Am I just hearing rumours or does anyone have the real scoop on this
Flashcash? possibly?

[DangerDave]

I heard that shit too... but with no one from NATS coming back to this thread... maybe we will never know....

.... and NATS will remains the shitbox that it is..

DD

[nekrom]

Go Dave, go Dave.

-N

[plateman]

Originally Posted by Linkster

I guess I will bring this one back to the top with a question:
Ive heard a lot of talk lately about a certain company removing a module that is part of Nats? possibly and that module having to do with scrubbing of joins - with a corresponding increase in that programs sales that was amazing
Am I just hearing rumours or does anyone have the real scoop on this
Flashcash? possibly?

you know thats funny you say that now, I have flash cash on my LL and no other pages sites and once in awhile I'd get a sale with there old stats, and since they went to nats(what about a year ago?) I had 1 sale since they went to nats...

and some months ago there program emailed me to ask why my traffic converted before and not for a long time now, needless to say I never replyed back and they are on my get rid of sponsor list for 07...

then the other day I read a thread on the zoo about fleshlight horrible ratios after they went to nats....

I really dont know whats up with nats but if I were them or a sponsor with nats I would dam try and find out what the fuck...

maybe thats why so many sponsors all want to go with them, switch to nats and put more cash in your pockets, and hide behind statements like nats is unshaveable..

I would say in the comming months, years as its gets harder and harder to make sales that nats and the nats sponsors are gonna find themselfs alone and all the other webmasters will be with other sponsors that have a better stats program...

look at the zango thing, what is next the nats thing heheh

[DangerDave]

Fuckin' NATS!

.. and lose the fucking visual confirmation login shit.. who the fuck is trying to login apart from the owner of the account

DD

[Useless]

I was peeking at GG's stats today and noticed one of those 0:10000 type ratios for a program I haven't made a sale on since they went NATS this past year, and it dawned on me that there is one solid reason to actually like NATS - you can see when you're getting fucked off the planet. You can probably get much of the same info via CCBill, but who has the time to wait for CCBill's stats to load? Sponsors who use NATS do us a favor by being on a server fast enough for us to see how shitty our ratios are.

You know, if I owned a program and decided to go NATS due to a want/need for cascading billing and alleged higher sales ratios - and my ratios plummeted - I think I'd be bitching and asking questions. But you never seem to see the program owners complain. Interesting.

[nibbler]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

You know, if I owned a program and decided to go NATS due to a want/need for cascading billing and alleged higher sales ratios - and my ratios plummeted - I think I'd be bitching and asking questions. But you never seem to see the program owners complain. Interesting.

That's so true. Everytime I bitch about horrible ratios, I get the "Everything is fine on my side" answer from the program owner and in my head i'm saying "I'm sure it is, you rat bastard".

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by nibbler

That's so true. Everytime I bitch about horrible ratios, I get the "Everything is fine on my side" answer from the program owner and in my head i'm saying "I'm sure it is, you rat bastard".

They always say that, no matter the program software. It's always the webmaster that is doing something wrong or their traffic. Amazing how that can happen when nothing changes on the webmasters side.

ronnie

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by DangerDave

Fuckin' NATS!

.. and lose the fucking visual confirmation login shit.. who the fuck is trying to login apart from the owner of the account

DD

I have a feeling that is an option & thus, it's the program owner's fault that they have the regular login boxes on the front page & after you enter the correct info, you are sent to a new page with more login boxes & the image confirmation text.

[nibbler]

Originally Posted by ronnie

They always say that, no matter the program software. It's always the webmaster that is doing something wrong or their traffic. Amazing how that can happen when nothing changes on the webmasters side.

ronnie

I'm convinced that the program owner has a big red button (like in those Staples commericals) that says DO NOT CREDIT AFFILIATE SALES that he pushes every once in a while when sales are slow and
occasionally the affiliate manager with the fat ass presses it by accident while leaning on the desk talking to the hot secretary (just kidding of course, or am i?)