AEBN vs HotMovies

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Not at all it was a self made one. The main reason at the first time that dvd sales have dropped down for studios was, that the shop owners where getting pissed that the same video they sale for $39.95 at the shop was available at some sites for free or $2.95 and this was a self made problem

Don't you sell/license video content to these websites that have killed off DVD sales?

GonZo · 2007-03-19, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Don't you sell/license video content to these websites that have killed off DVD sales?

Just spammed Oprano with another post doing just that.
But I notice the partnership question wasnt answered.

Im sure free porn has killed the membership sites sales too.

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

Im sure free porn has killed the membership sites sales too.

Free porn hurts us all.
But as long as it's riddled with poor service, viruses, and crappy porn it expands the market and creates more customers for us as well.

To combat free porn we need to create better sites, offer more custom service, etc.

I like to think that's what we do at Hotmovies. Give people a superior product at a reasonable rate.
Tagging, saved for later, favorites, playlists, rankings, recomendations, etc. They all give the users reasons to keep recurring for years.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

Free porn hurts us all.
But as long as it's riddled with poor service, viruses, and crappy porn it expands the market and creates more customers for us as well...

You're talking to a lot of people that make a living off using free porn to sell surfers on membership sites

And I think we can all name a couple of companies that run pay sites that have poor services, viruses & crappy porn

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

You're talking to a lot of people that make a living off using free porn to sell surfers on membership sites

And I think we can all name a couple of companies that run pay sites that have poor services, viruses & crappy porn

You need to give people a taste. I don't mind the 20-30 second clips used in MGP's, or the photos in TGP's. Teasers are necessary.

I was thinking more of the bittorrent type of free porn. Where the studio makes nothing.

GonZo · 2007-03-19, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by James_HotMovies

Free porn hurts us all.
But as long as it's riddled with poor service, viruses, and crappy porn it expands the market and creates more customers for us as well.

To combat free porn we need to create better sites, offer more custom service, etc.

I like to think that's what we do at Hotmovies. Give people a superior product at a reasonable rate.
Tagging, saved for later, favorites, playlists, rankings, recomendations, etc. They all give the users reasons to keep recurring for years.

Sure are a lot of free site owners on here.

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Don't you sell/license video content to these websites that have killed off DVD sales?

Not really as we put new titles online for sales just after 12 months when the first back sales of the dvds are made

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Not really as we put new titles online for sales just after 12 months when the first back sales of the dvds are made

and why not do the same with VOD?

The short tail of the DVD is done, the long tail of VOD can start.

Name your studio your site name, expose the millions of customers we have to your brand.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 09:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Not really as we put new titles online for sales just after 12 months when the first back sales of the dvds are made

Does every other content company do the same? Or are you months behind the rest of them because of your feelings on this issue?

Servhot · 2007-03-19, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

Does every other content company do the same? Or are you months behind the rest of them because of your feelings on this issue?

Most of the so called "content Providers" are not out of the business and they do not have an idea about old fashioned sales. I just can name a handfull which do. But sure, it will be the way to go in the future, or better one way.

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20% for studios, 25% for webmasters.
You can be a studio and a webmaster.

and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Servhot

Most of the so called "content Providers" are not out of the business and they do not have an idea about old fashioned sales. I just can name a handfull which do. But sure, it will be the way to go in the future, or better one way...

You lost me.

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Originally Posted by Servhot

...and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.

So your complaint is that you would not be making enough money off the streaming of movies that have made the sale of DVD's decline?

GonZo · 2007-03-19, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Greenie

You lost me.

So your complaint is that you would not be making enough money off the streaming of movies that have made the sale of DVD's decline?

I think theres more to this story than someone wants to admit.

Greenguy · 2007-03-19, 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by GonZo

I think theres more to this story than someone wants to admit.

I am lost - I'll admit that.

I can grasp the "stolen" idea/concept issue.

I can grasp the 20-25% problem - everyone he is used to hearing their cut is at least 50% & I've always wondered why it wasn't a 33% split between the webmaster, the program & the provider - but that's just me

I can't grasp the online porn has killed dvd sales but we sell movie content to webmasters

Is it just me?

James_HotMovies · 2007-03-19, 10:16 AM

and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.[/quote]

How do you know that the 20% isn't worth it?

People get hung up on a number and forget the bottom line.

20% from a large company is worth 80% from a small company.

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James_HotMovies Trying is the first step towards failure Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Philly Posts: 127	and this is exactly the point. I do not care about running our own consumer site, as my job already takes 10h a day, and the mark to be a studio&webmaster is just blending the eyes. If you would offer 40% for the studios, that would be a start to talk about it.[/quote] How do you know that the 20% isn't worth it? People get hung up on a number and forget the bottom line. 20% from a large company is worth 80% from a small company.