link trades and where to place them

troy · 2004-01-22, 03:06 PM

Hi all

I have some link trades going and most of them are on my main page should I put them on all pages?
And if yes why?

Thanks

Cleo · 2004-01-22, 03:14 PM

I have mine on my two main pages and nowhere else.

troy · 2004-01-22, 04:08 PM

Hello again Cleo i see you are all over the place

You mean on the index/warning page and main?

Bill · 2004-01-22, 04:43 PM

Search engine linking and traffic trade linking are handled differently.

Everybody is obsessed with PR linking right now (they are about 6 months behind the times) and for PR linking they usually link index to index in order to maximise the apparent PR.

(of course index to index linking has other benefits besides apparant PR transfer.)

For relevancy linking building links between inner pages, if effect linking similar keyword themes, is one of the possible strategies. It's harder to design and arrange good inner page linking, but if you can do it it's probably a good idea.

It's a little early to tell yet exactly what the benfits will be, but thats the nature of the search engine game, you don't work for _now_, you work with the future in mind.

xxxjay · 2004-01-23, 05:08 AM

The whole cramming a bunch of links at the bottom of your page with the highest pr and reciping it to anothe site of equal PR is going to be the next thing google drops the penelty hammer on - I predict. I am in the process of putting my recip trades into paragraph form to avoid future problems.

I bet you anything that i am right about this. PR whore webmasters need to rethink what they are doing soon.

troy · 2004-01-23, 06:02 AM

Bill

For relevancy linking building links between inner pages, if effect linking similar keyword themes, is one of the possible strategies. It's harder to design and arrange good inner page linking, but if you can do it it's probably a good idea.

Sorry but this means nothing to me can you explain what this means

Hello Jay
What do you mean by putting my recip trades into paragraph form to avoid future problems.

Sorry for being stupid

Bill · 2004-01-23, 06:35 AM

Basically I'm saying linking inner pages is good, but it's best when you link pages with similar keywords. So you link an inner page with a cumshot title and cumshot text to another's page with a cumshot title and text.

There's a bunch of technical jargon there, "relevancy linking" "keywords" "themes" (which are basically associated clusters of keywords).

Then I said it's hard to plan out inner link trades, it's just more work when you are trying to figure out what to link to what. When you just pile links on the index to trade PR, well, thats pretty easy. Figuring out how to fairly and relevantly link inner pages is harder, at least for me.

Doing paragraph links like Jay is talking about is even harder and more work.

troy · 2004-01-24, 03:53 PM

Thanks Bill I think i know what you mean but is not really possible for a link list or am I wrong?

XXXJay can you give me a example how to make a paragraph i like doing it the hard way

Bill · 2004-01-24, 05:38 PM

It's actually easier when you are working with link lists, because the keywords are so clearly defined. It's called category trades.

There is some thought that category trades are less valuable than they were 4 months ago, but I can't say I've seen any sign of that.

xxxjay · 2004-01-24, 08:58 PM

The caregory trades migt be conidered less valueable becasue they are staright recips, but they are relevant.

By paragraphs, I mean instead of just doing:

*Link 1* - *Link 2* - *Link 3*

Do somthing like this:

Thanks for visiting our site, you might also like *Link 1* and our friends site over at *Link 2* because they are the best source for *Link 3*.

Bill - Sure, paragraphs are more work, but webmasters (myself included) have been doing these trades for so long without a penelty from google that I'm quite sute at some point they are going to drop the hammer on this kind of stuff. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Bill · 2004-01-25, 04:59 AM

I agree Jay, altho for someone new to this kind of work it might be a challenge, because you have to throw in a bit of creative copy along with putting up the link. Combine creative copy and paragraph linking with variation in the anchor text and my guess would be that we are looking at the future of SE linking. Well, for the next 6 months at least.

troy · 2004-01-25, 06:20 AM

Damn Guys sorry for me being stupid |confused|

Do you have a example Jay on one of your sites?

Dr Bizzaro · 2004-01-25, 07:26 AM

I based my link trade script on trying to send good traffic out to sites that send me traffic.

I would rather have a link on someones site, in a good location, that sends me regular traffic every day, then have it burried on an index page with 100 other links and not get anything from it except a higher google PR. (Or worse, burried on a "liks" page some where else on the site. Who the fuck visits that shit?)

Google PR obsession is a bit out of controll. But to each his own. That's why I use a trade script and not just hard links. Plus, I want surfers coming to me site, to actually make it into my site and get caught up in going to other sites from there.

Ad(s), Enter and Exit. That's it on the index.

troy · 2004-01-25, 10:39 AM

Thanks Dr Bizzaro,

I have also have only links on my main that send me traffic but also looking to get higher in google for SE traffic.
Are catagory trades and making paragraphs get you higher in Google and other SE's?

I like your site would like to trade with you but I think i am not much use cos I am specialised in cumshots.
Maybe you have other sites I can trade with?

I have your site in my free site postings and will start to send you my free sites

Nice selection of sponsor links I see you didn't bother to hide your ref codes.
Do you have other thoughts about that too?

Greetings,
Troy

dionysos · 2004-01-25, 11:39 AM

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troy · 2004-01-25, 12:42 PM

Hi Dionysos

Thanks you want to trade with me but I am looking for cumshot link trades on my main page.
I don't think the surfer who get on my site is looking for a general list.
I see that on my trades with jayxxx and anarchy almost nobody click those links while the cumshot links diliver a fair amount of traffic to those links.
I made those trades when I just started.

I hope you understand

dionysos · 2004-01-25, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by troy
Hi Dionysos

Thanks you want to trade with me but I am looking for cumshot link trades on my main page.
I don't think the surfer who get on my site is looking for a general list.
I see that on my trades with jayxxx and anarchy almost nobody click those links while the cumshot links diliver a fair amount of traffic to those links.
I made those trades when I just started.

I hope you understand

No problem troy (linking like this is not fore traffic but fore SE0. Your site is relevant fore my oral category and my oral category is relevant fore your niche site)

dionysos · 2004-01-26, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
Bill - Sure, paragraphs are more work, but webmasters (myself included) have been doing these trades for so long without a penelty from google that I'm quite sute at some point they are going to drop the hammer on this kind of stuff. I'd rather be safe than sorry.

Year I think that to xxjay. But It´s still working, but who knows for how long? Sites like www.mydogfarts.com has got some nice PR from It(Idont see anything else giving them the PR). Ill defently go fore the paragraphs.

AussieWebmaster · 2004-01-27, 12:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
The whole cramming a bunch of links at the bottom of your page with the highest pr and reciping it to anothe site of equal PR is going to be the next thing google drops the penelty hammer on - I predict. I am in the process of putting my recip trades into paragraph form to avoid future problems.

I bet you anything that i am right about this. PR whore webmasters need to rethink what they are doing soon.

Well Iam working on having the outbound links on a different domain inside the site but not the same domain... it goes to the index of the recip and I am trying to develop keyword links

dionysos · 2004-01-28, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AussieWebmaster
Well Iam working on having the outbound links on a different domain inside the site but not the same domain... it goes to the index of the recip and I am trying to develop keyword links

hmmmmm I dont excactly think this will make you popular |goodnight But then again It may be wery effective!

what do all think about this idea?

AussieWebmaster · 2004-01-28, 07:21 PM

The link factors are still there for whoever you are making the trade with. They do not get shorted. This is purely to fight Google's recent recip link attacks...
Though I may have to test what happens when you have a link pagwe that contains the no robot it in the metatag and in the robots.txt file...

dionysos · 2004-01-28, 09:15 PM

what kind of link factors? You could still send the traffic. But you will not share your PR with your trades.
What are we talking about here? A LL? I pretty sure you wont get any trades from other LL owners(if you put there recips on another domaine full of outbound links and no indbound). Not sure how conserned the free site submitters would be.......

AussieWebmaster · 2004-01-28, 10:46 PM

I will have inbound links... enough to get it some PR.. and traffic. I would also make sure there is text on the page to allow the search engines to rank it.

Kush · 2004-01-29, 02:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by xxxjay
The whole cramming a bunch of links at the bottom of your page with the highest pr and reciping it to anothe site of equal PR is going to be the next thing google drops the penelty hammer on - I predict. I am in the process of putting my recip trades into paragraph form to avoid future problems.

I bet you anything that i am right about this. PR whore webmasters need to rethink what they are doing soon.

Hmm that's a really interesting prediction... and kind of a scary though too because so many webmasters use this method.

The "grouping a bunch of sites together at the bottom of the page" strategy is so widely used and accepted, I am having a hard time believing that it can bring about a penalty. It has plenty of honest, relevant uses too - besides just PR / link trades.

But again, like you said, it may be better "safe than sorry"
But then again, such a widespread, massive penalty seems like a bit of a stretch. I don't think google would do something this rash.

Plus if google goes with your prediction, the blog abuse will skyrocket - and it's already pretty bad. It will be interesting for sure to see what happens.

xxxjay · 2004-01-29, 03:51 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kush
I don't think google would do something this rash.

You always think they won't do something that rash - until the do. To me the whole over-optimization theory that is widley accepted is a bigger stretch than link farming.

2004-01-22, 03:06 PM	#1
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2004-01-22, 03:14 PM	#2
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2004-01-22, 04:08 PM	#3
troy I can spearhead the whole begging thing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: nederlands Posts: 414	Hello again Cleo i see you are all over the place You mean on the index/warning page and main? __________________ Cumshot Specialist Great Porn

2004-01-23, 05:08 AM	#5
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	The whole cramming a bunch of links at the bottom of your page with the highest pr and reciping it to anothe site of equal PR is going to be the next thing google drops the penelty hammer on - I predict. I am in the process of putting my recip trades into paragraph form to avoid future problems. I bet you anything that i am right about this. PR whore webmasters need to rethink what they are doing soon. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-01-23, 06:02 AM	#6
troy I can spearhead the whole begging thing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: nederlands Posts: 414	Bill For relevancy linking building links between inner pages, if effect linking similar keyword themes, is one of the possible strategies. It's harder to design and arrange good inner page linking, but if you can do it it's probably a good idea. Sorry but this means nothing to me can you explain what this means Hello Jay What do you mean by putting my recip trades into paragraph form to avoid future problems. Sorry for being stupid __________________ Cumshot Specialist Great Porn

2004-01-22, 04:43 PM	#4
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Search engine linking and traffic trade linking are handled differently. Everybody is obsessed with PR linking right now (they are about 6 months behind the times) and for PR linking they usually link index to index in order to maximise the apparent PR. (of course index to index linking has other benefits besides apparant PR transfer.) For relevancy linking building links between inner pages, if effect linking similar keyword themes, is one of the possible strategies. It's harder to design and arrange good inner page linking, but if you can do it it's probably a good idea. It's a little early to tell yet exactly what the benfits will be, but thats the nature of the search engine game, you don't work for _now_, you work with the future in mind.

2004-01-23, 06:35 AM	#7
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Basically I'm saying linking inner pages is good, but it's best when you link pages with similar keywords. So you link an inner page with a cumshot title and cumshot text to another's page with a cumshot title and text. There's a bunch of technical jargon there, "relevancy linking" "keywords" "themes" (which are basically associated clusters of keywords). Then I said it's hard to plan out inner link trades, it's just more work when you are trying to figure out what to link to what. When you just pile links on the index to trade PR, well, thats pretty easy. Figuring out how to fairly and relevantly link inner pages is harder, at least for me. Doing paragraph links like Jay is talking about is even harder and more work.

2004-01-24, 03:53 PM	#8
troy I can spearhead the whole begging thing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: nederlands Posts: 414	Thanks Bill I think i know what you mean but is not really possible for a link list or am I wrong? XXXJay can you give me a example how to make a paragraph i like doing it the hard way __________________ Cumshot Specialist Great Porn

2004-01-24, 05:38 PM	#9
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	It's actually easier when you are working with link lists, because the keywords are so clearly defined. It's called category trades. There is some thought that category trades are less valuable than they were 4 months ago, but I can't say I've seen any sign of that.

2004-01-24, 08:58 PM	#10
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	The caregory trades migt be conidered less valueable becasue they are staright recips, but they are relevant. By paragraphs, I mean instead of just doing: Link 1 - Link 2 - Link 3 Do somthing like this: Thanks for visiting our site, you might also like Link 1 and our friends site over at Link 2 because they are the best source for Link 3. Bill - Sure, paragraphs are more work, but webmasters (myself included) have been doing these trades for so long without a penelty from google that I'm quite sute at some point they are going to drop the hammer on this kind of stuff. I'd rather be safe than sorry. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-01-25, 04:59 AM	#11
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	I agree Jay, altho for someone new to this kind of work it might be a challenge, because you have to throw in a bit of creative copy along with putting up the link. Combine creative copy and paragraph linking with variation in the anchor text and my guess would be that we are looking at the future of SE linking. Well, for the next 6 months at least.

2004-01-25, 06:20 AM	#12
troy I can spearhead the whole begging thing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: nederlands Posts: 414	Damn Guys sorry for me being stupid \|confused\| Do you have a example Jay on one of your sites? __________________ Cumshot Specialist Great Porn

2004-01-25, 07:26 AM	#13
Dr Bizzaro I'm not interested in the facts, I'm interested in my opinion. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,620	I based my link trade script on trying to send good traffic out to sites that send me traffic. I would rather have a link on someones site, in a good location, that sends me regular traffic every day, then have it burried on an index page with 100 other links and not get anything from it except a higher google PR. (Or worse, burried on a "liks" page some where else on the site. Who the fuck visits that shit?) Google PR obsession is a bit out of controll. But to each his own. That's why I use a trade script and not just hard links. Plus, I want surfers coming to me site, to actually make it into my site and get caught up in going to other sites from there. Ad(s), Enter and Exit. That's it on the index. __________________ -DrBizzaro Make BIG $ selling text links! Sell Links and get $$

2004-01-25, 10:39 AM	#14
troy I can spearhead the whole begging thing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: nederlands Posts: 414	Thanks Dr Bizzaro, I have also have only links on my main that send me traffic but also looking to get higher in google for SE traffic. Are catagory trades and making paragraphs get you higher in Google and other SE's? I like your site would like to trade with you but I think i am not much use cos I am specialised in cumshots. Maybe you have other sites I can trade with? I have your site in my free site postings and will start to send you my free sites Nice selection of sponsor links I see you didn't bother to hide your ref codes. Do you have other thoughts about that too? Greetings, Troy __________________ Cumshot Specialist Great Porn

2004-01-25, 11:39 AM	#15
dionysos Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 130	Hi troy. I added you to my Oral/Cumshots category. http://www.pornolistic.com/cock-sucking.htm If you like to trade here is a link. <a href="http://www.pornolistic.com/cock-sucking.htm"title="Dick sucking deep throat blow job pictures"><font color="#000000" size="3">Pornolistic - Cock Sucking</font></a> Last edited by dionysos; 2004-01-25 at 11:44 AM..

2004-01-25, 12:42 PM	#16
troy I can spearhead the whole begging thing Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: nederlands Posts: 414	Hi Dionysos Thanks you want to trade with me but I am looking for cumshot link trades on my main page. I don't think the surfer who get on my site is looking for a general list. I see that on my trades with jayxxx and anarchy almost nobody click those links while the cumshot links diliver a fair amount of traffic to those links. I made those trades when I just started. I hope you understand __________________ Cumshot Specialist Great Porn

2004-01-28, 07:21 PM	#21
AussieWebmaster I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 81	hmmm The link factors are still there for whoever you are making the trade with. They do not get shorted. This is purely to fight Google's recent recip link attacks... Though I may have to test what happens when you have a link pagwe that contains the no robot it in the metatag and in the robots.txt file... __________________ Try a new affiliate program. http://www.rawfuckingcash.com www.pornstarpostershop.com good add on www.exoticimages.com needs gallery submissions

2004-01-28, 09:15 PM	#22
dionysos Operator! Give me the number for 911! Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 130	what kind of link factors? You could still send the traffic. But you will not share your PR with your trades. What are we talking about here? A LL? I pretty sure you wont get any trades from other LL owners(if you put there recips on another domaine full of outbound links and no indbound). Not sure how conserned the free site submitters would be....... Last edited by dionysos; 2004-01-28 at 09:23 PM..

2004-01-28, 10:46 PM	#23
AussieWebmaster I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: NYC Posts: 81	hmmmm I will have inbound links... enough to get it some PR.. and traffic. I would also make sure there is text on the page to allow the search engines to rank it. __________________ Try a new affiliate program. http://www.rawfuckingcash.com www.pornstarpostershop.com good add on www.exoticimages.com needs gallery submissions