How many LLs do you submit to?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by PinkFloyd

And how about SEO,

What is better?

To have links from 30 sites with average PR 4 or from 100+ with average PR 2?

From and SEO point of view, don't worry about PR. (I'm sofa-king tired of hearing all the PR nonsense.) Run some search terms and see if the target lists are coming up in the results. Also, from an SEO point of view, it's not very smart to make a dozen copies of the same pages. So, anyone who tells you to submit to a ton of link lists and mentions PR in the same breath, has their head planted firmly in their ass.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Run some search terms and see if the target lists are coming up in the results. Also, from an SEO point of view, it's not very smart to make a dozen copies of the same pages. So, anyone who tells you to submit to a ton of link lists and mentions PR in the same breath, has their head planted firmly in their ass.

Who says your useless? That's damn good advice there.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Also, from an SEO point of view, it's not very smart to make a dozen copies of the same pages. So, anyone who tells you to submit to a ton of link lists and mentions PR in the same breath, has their head planted firmly in their ass.

They do not necessarily need to produce duplicate pages though, UW.
If someone is worried about the duplicate content penalty they could always vary the other entrance pages so that they are more unique as well (changing a few words around might even do it). Or even use seperate templates entirely. It would be a little more work, but is doable.

[virgohippy]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

If someone is worried about the duplicate content penalty they could always vary the other entrance pages so that they are more unique as well (changing a few words around might even do it). Or even use seperate templates entirely. It would be a little more work, but is doable.

Don't have to do it to every warning page either.

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

They do not necessarily need to produce duplicate pages though, UW.
If someone is worried about the duplicate content penalty they could always vary the other entrance pages so that they are more unique as well (changing a few words around might even do it). Or even use seperate templates entirely. It would be a little more work, but is doable.

Lordy, that's like doing 10 freesites a day, 9 of them for a tiny amount of traffic. Just because you happen to have the content cropped and ready, pretty much.

I currently submit to 10-14 lists. I go for the ones that send the most traffic + a couple that only require one link in the recip table. I don't want to submit to LL's that require 2 backlinks for a negligable amount of traffic. The way I see it, 2 links for 1 does not make good SEO sense, so a LL needs to compensate for that with enough traffic.

That said, I now have help in the freesite department from my brother-in-law. We may try the mirror sites to dozens of LL's approach with a few FS in the future, and see if that generates more sales. No way am I going to start tweaking text and creating different ones though. We'll just see if the cons outweigh the pros or the other way around. Might even make this into a proper experiment and post the results here.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by tigermom

Lordy, that's like doing 10 freesites a day, 9 of them for a tiny amount of traffic. Just because you happen to have the content cropped and ready, pretty much.

I currently submit to 10-14 lists. I go for the ones that send the most traffic + a couple that only require one link in the recip table. I don't want to submit to LL's that require 2 backlinks for a negligable amount of traffic. The way I see it, 2 links for 1 does not make good SEO sense, so a LL needs to compensate for that with enough traffic.

That said, I now have help in the freesite department from my brother-in-law. We may try the mirror sites to dozens of LL's approach with a few FS in the future, and see if that generates more sales. No way am I going to start tweaking text and creating different ones though. We'll just see if the cons outweigh the pros or the other way around. Might even make this into a proper experiment and post the results here.

I think you might be suprised at the results of submitting to multiple sets of lists. I've had pretty good luck with it myself. As far as mirroring sites and making the pages unique, I use tokens in my templates and do a search and replace in my html editor. %title%, %root%, %domain%, %kw1%, %kw2%, etc. I can mirror a site 4 times and make the uppercase lower case changes usually in 5-10 minutes. It's really not that hard with a little thought put into it.

[SaucyPanties]

Originally Posted by Allfetish

They do not necessarily need to produce duplicate pages though, UW.
If someone is worried about the duplicate content penalty they could always vary the other entrance pages so that they are more unique as well (changing a few words around might even do it). Or even use seperate templates entirely. It would be a little more work, but is doable.

But then you go back to time consuming and would the time be better used making another new site which could be submitted to the top 40 and send greater traffic. Not only that in terms of SEO it would be far greater have another site than a mirror.

[Allfetish]

Originally Posted by SaucyPanties

But then you go back to time consuming and would the time be better used making another new site which could be submitted to the top 40 and send greater traffic. Not only that in terms of SEO it would be far greater have another site than a mirror.

Well, I guess it depends on what one wants to do. With the freesites I know a lot of them have rules saying only one submit a day. If a person does not have anything else to do, then I guess it wouldn't be a big deal.

I know I have around 1,000 freesites/AVS sites (many with different "warning pages" that vary only by the AVS script or different recips) that I set up over the years.... about 10 templates.... Many of which were made from starting with a previous one and only changing only what I absolutely needed to. I wish I would have done this the right way from the start instead of being lazy. I am fairly certain the duplicates have hurt my rankings a bit. If had it to do all over again, I wouldn't cut corners. But I am glad that I did submit to the other AVSs and freesites. Over the years I have recieved a considerable amount of sales from this. |twocents

But I guess this is one good thing about this field/business: We each are in our own drivers seat so to speak and are free to make our own calls. Situations and preferences different for each one of us.