Watch out for InetBucks/Allhairy.com

CrazySy · 2007-05-24, 08:44 AM

I hate to bring an issue like this to any board over a very small amount of money but I am getting sick of programs like this. I joined them May of last year and didn't really push them much due to so many reasons. Their old system was set up to have CCBill as primary and Epoch/Paycom as secondary processors and I was told the payment would be made directly by CCBill and Epoch. I never paid that much attention to my stats as I really didn't send them much traffic until I got a check in mail from them early fall of last year (for the amount of $60 and some change) along with a apology note regarding late payment!! It was then when I realized Epoch payment goes through them (that's not what I was told) and they claimed they are a bit behind in payment. I received a second check for the amount of $90 a couple of months later and again there was a note to let me know that they are catching up! These two checks were Citi Bank checks withdrawn out of a US branch. Late February I received my third check in the amount of $62.60 but surprisingly this check was from HSBC International withdrawn out of a British branch which is very hard to cash due to not having routing number on the check, and the only way I could cash the check was paying $50 charge for collection!! I send these guys an email to notify them of my problem, but didn't hear anything back. I sent them another email on March 13th (this one was kinda rude email...lol) and again no reply. The total amount owed was $398.00 which they have paid $150 of it and pretty much ignored the rest. I am not sure if anyone else has encountered any problem like this or I am the only lucky webmaster. Sorry for the rant but I am SICK of programs like this (and now they have gone to NATS, maybe because they can fuck people a bit better!!)

As I said, it's not much money to bitch about but I am in a situation that every penny counts due to some health issues I have been facing. And also, I earned the damn money and I want it in my pocket

Sy

ronnie · 2007-05-28, 05:58 PM

This is suprizing, as I know one of the owners. I have to say I haven't sent much myself. Have to check it out.

Axeman-AH · 2007-05-29, 03:25 PM

Hi Sy,

Well this thread came indeed as a surprise. I have not recieved one email to support@allhairy.com or brent@allhairy.com or axford@ultranet.ca

I am checking with our techs to see if indeed the *@inetbucks.com is being forwarded to support@allhairy.com as it is supposed to be.

As far as paycom goes for our old program, yes we have to send the cash out as we are part of Paycom EU. They claim since we are EU they don't handle payouts. Yet CCBill has no problem with this. Go figure.

We switched to NATS so we could handle all payouts as one. NATS also does a great job of telling us the payouts and where and when so we don't have to go in and break it all down like we used to do.

For the old paycom we don't send checks out as often as NATS due to the fact most people have stopped using it and the dollar value is too low. We have sent many emails out regarding the old program and that it will be shut down on June 1st due to the pain in the ass of paycom eu and the very little traffic coming thru it now. We have asked all affiliates to switch over to NATS since last November which you have not done.

In Feb we issued you a check on our new NATS account which is an HSBC account for $62.60 which paid you your Paycom money up too Jan 31st. You have not cashed it due to the routing numbers. This is an issue a few webmasters have brought up but most have cashed theirs no problem with no fees. It seems its a bank by bank issue.

However we are looking for other solutions to this, but in the UK the only bank that has routing numbers of a US bank is Citibank and having them reply to our application has been lengthy. Also Epass took over 3 months and four times telling us they lost our paperwork. That is now setup and will be implemented to help for North American webmasters.

For our NATS resellers I have had my personal US account loaded in Canada and sent out checks to the ones that were having issues. I will issue you a check from this account to catch up to date.

As for your money you are owed from Feb 1st - today is $109.55 + the $62.60 from the uncashed check you had in Feb. I will send that out today.

The old program is being shut down officially June 1st. All traffic and links will have to be thru NATS going forward.

Paycom money from the old program will still get settled every few months as usual due to the rebills that still will be coming in from past sales. These sales, and the rebills are quite small for the old program as it was the secondary biller with no cascading. This is the reason we send payments every few months since most webmaster have very little earned and the min doesn't make sense for the time/cost to send it out.

NATS checks still go out every two weeks as usual for all money earned with both ccbill and paycom and rebills.

We have added a new amateur tour which is converting great and 36 hosted galleries to push for that tour. Plus many more galleries for the old tour :-)

Preview the new tour at http://www.allhairy.com/t3/

Signup to our NATS program at : http://nats.inetbucks.com

- Brent

Axeman-AH · 2007-05-29, 03:43 PM

Just got done talking to my host and indeed the wildcard@inetbucks.com emails were not being forwarded properly, so anyone sending to inetbucks.com email I must apologize for that.

That being said there have and is other ways to reach us and most of our affiliates have done so over the past 6 months for various requests.

Have a good day.

- Brent

Axeman-AH · 2007-05-29, 07:03 PM

Sy,

I sent out your check today for $172.15. It usually takes 5-7 days for regular mail from B.C to reach the east coast. It is on a canadian US $ account so should be no problem with cashing it at your bank.

Please if any issues arrise with it contact me via email or on ICQ at 10263929.

If we can assist you with anything else or switching to NATS etc please don't hesitate to contact me. I just tested support@inetbucks.com and it works on the forward which is a big relief. I just hate that I missed affiliate emails and gave them the wrong impression about our company and our desire to make money together.

Anyway hope you and your family had a great memorial long weekend.

- Brent

lykos · 2007-05-29, 07:30 PM

I just can't belive this... this is total BS if u ask me...
I know Lau for years and consider him for one of the best friends in my life and a person i have most trust in...and i just know that this is not posible,.,..especially not couse of funny 200-300 bucks..lol I think Lau spent more then 100.000 $ in content with me and i know he treat all his affiliates and all ppl he do bizz with more then good... sorry but i just don't buy this story.. maybe its some missunderstanding and am sure you will get paid if you didn't.my 2 cents

Nader · 2007-05-29, 07:40 PM

I just came across this email and want to add my 2 cents.

We at NichePay have been pushing lau's hairy site for a year now
and have only encountered the first biller move issue..they where
late i agree with you there..but as for them not paying.hmm in my book
there some of the best people i worked with Lau and i have been friends
for many years now and have had no problem.

Sorry that you think of them like this..and i hope you guys can work
this out

Greenguy · 2007-05-29, 08:35 PM

Looks like someone sent out "Please back me up!" emails

I'm not gonna get into the middle of this other than to say that I believe what Sy said because I know him to be a top-notch guy.

I will also say that check cut from UK banks are a HUGE pain in the ass to cash, to the point where I stop promoting a program that pays webmasters using them.

Axeman-AH · 2007-05-29, 09:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Looks like someone sent out "Please back me up!" emails

I'm not gonna get into the middle of this other than to say that I believe what Sy said because I know him to be a top-notch guy.

I will also say that check cut from UK banks are a HUGE pain in the ass to cash, to the point where I stop promoting a program that pays webmasters using them.

Hey Greenie, what Sy said is correct. He got the HSBC check but never cashed it so I added that ammount into the check sent out today thur May 29th.

Your right about the UK banks, pain in the ass. We are working for the solutions to make it easier but right now I am sending out payments from my Canadian US$ personal account for North American webmasters. And adding epass as well to make it easier for everyone.

We had a few webmasters have similar issues with the HSBC checks and they were resolved when we heard about it. Today was my first time hearing about Sy's issue and its already been resolved with the check in the mail. So really nothing to get in the middle of.

And because of this thread we got an issue resolved with the forward of all emails sent to the inetbucks.com email addresses forwarded to the ones I check every hour. So thanks to Sy for that.

I just had to defend my company against the "possible cheater" claim.

Useless · 2007-05-30, 06:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lykos

I just can't belive this... this is total BS if u ask me...

Read the goddamned thread. It obviously wasn't BS since your chum already admitted to sending the payments late and found the reason why he wouldn't have received support emails. Stupid posts like your's only serve to make your friend look bad, which is sad since he already stepped up to the plate and resolved the issue.

CrazySy · 2007-05-30, 07:38 AM

Sorry for late reply, I had a very busy weekend.

Thanks Greenie and UW.

Lykos, go back to "I'm Looking For..." forum and spam your content.

Nader, This post was just a heads up to others because of this:

What I was told by Brent and their own site didn't match how this is being handled.

From http://inetbucks.com/

Quote:

Earn 60% using both CCbill and Paycom as your processors by sending through our customized URL's. Payments are sent by the procesors directly to you, so we control zero when it comes to your hits and sales to add that extra trust with our affiliates.

I am not making anything up, I am just posting the truth.

Brent, I talked to you last year (5/29/07 to be exact) about content arrangement and we had a pleasent conversation via email. I was told the payment would be directly from processors and I never cared that much when I found out that was not the case, I never cared the late payments either or I would have posted here last year but I DO care when my emails get ignored. I had no way of knowing my emails are not getting to you, "brent at allhairy dot com" was the email I had in file and using to get in touch with you.

I do remember the emails regarding the new program but 1- I have no intention of joining it because I HATE NATS and only promote a couple of programs with NATS in a regular base because their stats look normal!! 2- I didn't notice anything about email changes.

I'll try to track and remove all sites made promoting allhairy in the past knowing I got your email this morning regarding the old program.

edit: made a booboo. typed bent instead of brent in email address

CrazySy · 2007-05-30, 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Axeman-AH

And because of this thread we got an issue resolved with the forward of all emails sent to the inetbucks.com email addresses forwarded to the ones I check every hour. So thanks to Sy for that.

I just had to defend my company against the "possible cheater" claim.

And I wish you had received my emails so I didn't have to take such measure, I do hate to bring up issues like this to a board unless there are no other outlets available for communication.

Thanks

DangerDave · 2007-05-30, 08:24 AM

NATS

- That ought to fix any problems... no cheques at all will need to be sent out..

I am just watching yet another program that changed to Nats... go from a bearable ratio to 0:10,000+
It sure is funny how the Nats people never came back to that thread..

DD

Greenguy · 2007-05-30, 08:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazySy

Lykos, go back to "I'm Looking For..." forum and spam your content.

Line Of The Week

H.D · 2007-05-30, 09:03 AM

Hi,

Lau here from All Hairy.

Sorry to here about all this crap thats going on with my program and I hope Brent can handle this and deal with the contact/email issue that occured.
I know the UK check payout issue was a huge problem and we have been working on trying to open up a U.S backed bank account from the UK. Also Epassporte will be another option in the next week or so.

Regarding "possible cheaters". I think this was not needed. I have been in the Hairy niche for many years now and I can assure you that no webmaster in this niche would consider myself as a cheater.

Now going on to NATS and there un bearable ratio's. I have noticed good days and then VERY bad days and have always wondered what is going on.
Are you guys calling NATS "possible cheaters" ?
If so I will look into this further and will make a decision to pull them from my program.

Sy, I requested for your contact on icq. Let us know if u need to talk about anything.

Thx!

CrazySy · 2007-05-30, 09:45 AM

Hi Lau,

It was nice chatting with you on ICQ

and for others who read this thread:

"THE PROBLEM IS RESOLVED"

As for NATS, you have noticed good days and very bad days? I have noticed bad days and very bad days. Conversion ratio is beyond pathetic along with some odd behavior as well. Like seeing you have made a sale but zero dollars and things gets fixed when you contact that specific program but my question is, Not showing the dollar amount is the error or sale showing up?!

Thanks again for your time on ICQ and also thanks to Brent for replying here and trying to fix things.

Axeman-AH · 2007-05-30, 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazySy

And I wish you had received my emails so I didn't have to take such measure, I do hate to bring up issues like this to a board unless there are no other outlets available for communication.

Thanks

Hey Sy, hope the weekend was good.

Yeah I have no idea why I didn't recieve any of your emails if you sent to brent@allhairy.com . I do get a ton of spam to that email so maybe it got lost in there and I accidently deleted it. I do remember the email chat we had last year though.

As far as the processors issue, we had no idea that Paycom EU was different than Paycom in the fact they dont send out affiliate checks like their US counterpart. They did not tell us this when we started. In fact it was Pam that brought this fact to our attention which is very nice.

CCbill and CCbill EU run as one and send out payments to affiliates which is what we thought Paycom EU did as well.

With NATS the software keeps track of all sales and rebills for both processors and tells us exactly what is owed and to be sent out. Much easier for us.

In fact there is no way we would have done our own custom script if we knew Paycom EU wouldn't send out checks. It was the reason we built the script to have both billers on the join page with one link code for you. So you get more money and get paid from the billing companies directly. Most people prefer that and we liked it as it was less administrative work as well.

Once we found out Paycom Eu didnt pay out and we had to pay out only Paycom, we shift to NATS so that we could do it all in one shot. Much easier to deal with and provided affiliates with better click tracking and such.

Anyway, please let me know when you get the check :-)

- Brent

Axeman-AH · 2007-05-30, 04:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazySy

Hi Lau,

It was nice chatting with you on ICQ

and for others who read this thread:

"THE PROBLEM IS RESOLVED"

As for NATS, you have noticed good days and very bad days? I have noticed bad days and very bad days. Conversion ratio is beyond pathetic along with some odd behavior as well. Like seeing you have made a sale but zero dollars and things gets fixed when you contact that specific program but my question is, Not showing the dollar amount is the error or sale showing up?!

Thanks again for your time on ICQ and also thanks to Brent for replying here and trying to fix things.

NATS is an odd beast for sure. But as far as why there is days that seem bad and good, its a mystery. Having access to the stats it doesn't show anything odd. some days you get more people who filled out the nats join form which is really just picking the user/pass and email and then never fill out the billing form. But I think thats pretty standard.

I know the myth about NATS and have felt that way for programs I promote as well, but running NATS now I just don't see any merit to it. That doesn't mean there isnt some hidden thing I am missing or other factors that are not so obvious.

The majority of our declines are people trying to use checks or 900. Those have a low rate of success but that is standard as well from my experience.

But if anyone out there has some good legit info about NATS that I can look into i would love to hear it. We just want to provide the best tracking, cascading and tools to our affiliates. To us NATS was the better option than MPA.

Odd about the $0 for a signup thing at other places. I have yet to see that happen to us for anyone. What did the sponsors say they did to fix that one??

- Brent

2007-05-24, 08:44 AM	#1
CrazySy There are no stupid questions, just stupid people! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ME,USA Posts: 1,393	Watch out for InetBucks/Allhairy.com I hate to bring an issue like this to any board over a very small amount of money but I am getting sick of programs like this. I joined them May of last year and didn't really push them much due to so many reasons. Their old system was set up to have CCBill as primary and Epoch/Paycom as secondary processors and I was told the payment would be made directly by CCBill and Epoch. I never paid that much attention to my stats as I really didn't send them much traffic until I got a check in mail from them early fall of last year (for the amount of $60 and some change) along with a apology note regarding late payment!! It was then when I realized Epoch payment goes through them (that's not what I was told) and they claimed they are a bit behind in payment. I received a second check for the amount of $90 a couple of months later and again there was a note to let me know that they are catching up! These two checks were Citi Bank checks withdrawn out of a US branch. Late February I received my third check in the amount of $62.60 but surprisingly this check was from HSBC International withdrawn out of a British branch which is very hard to cash due to not having routing number on the check, and the only way I could cash the check was paying $50 charge for collection!! I send these guys an email to notify them of my problem, but didn't hear anything back. I sent them another email on March 13th (this one was kinda rude email...lol) and again no reply. The total amount owed was $398.00 which they have paid $150 of it and pretty much ignored the rest. I am not sure if anyone else has encountered any problem like this or I am the only lucky webmaster. Sorry for the rant but I am SICK of programs like this (and now they have gone to NATS, maybe because they can fuck people a bit better!!) As I said, it's not much money to bitch about but I am in a situation that every penny counts due to some health issues I have been facing. And also, I earned the damn money and I want it in my pocket Sy __________________ I Build Freesites - List of Active Link Lists

2007-05-29, 07:30 PM	#6
lykos Are you sure you're an accredited and honored pornographer? Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 63	I just can't belive this... this is total BS if u ask me... I know Lau for years and consider him for one of the best friends in my life and a person i have most trust in...and i just know that this is not posible,.,..especially not couse of funny 200-300 bucks..lol I think Lau spent more then 100.000 $ in content with me and i know he treat all his affiliates and all ppl he do bizz with more then good... sorry but i just don't buy this story.. maybe its some missunderstanding and am sure you will get paid if you didn't.my 2 cents __________________ www.adultsexcontent.com ICQ#295778036 Lykos@adulteurocontent.com

2007-05-29, 07:40 PM	#7
Nader Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Sherman Oaks, Ca ICQ: 316394916 Posts: 19	I just came across this email and want to add my 2 cents. We at NichePay have been pushing lau's hairy site for a year now and have only encountered the first biller move issue..they where late i agree with you there..but as for them not paying.hmm in my book there some of the best people i worked with Lau and i have been friends for many years now and have had no problem. Sorry that you think of them like this..and i hope you guys can work this out __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files

2007-05-29, 08:35 PM	#8
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Looks like someone sent out "Please back me up!" emails I'm not gonna get into the middle of this other than to say that I believe what Sy said because I know him to be a top-notch guy. I will also say that check cut from UK banks are a HUGE pain in the ass to cash, to the point where I stop promoting a program that pays webmasters using them. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2007-05-30, 09:45 AM	#16
CrazySy There are no stupid questions, just stupid people! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: ME,USA Posts: 1,393	Hi Lau, It was nice chatting with you on ICQ and for others who read this thread: "THE PROBLEM IS RESOLVED" As for NATS, you have noticed good days and very bad days? I have noticed bad days and very bad days. Conversion ratio is beyond pathetic along with some odd behavior as well. Like seeing you have made a sale but zero dollars and things gets fixed when you contact that specific program but my question is, Not showing the dollar amount is the error or sale showing up?! Thanks again for your time on ICQ and also thanks to Brent for replying here and trying to fix things. __________________ I Build Freesites - List of Active Link Lists

2007-05-28, 05:58 PM	#2
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	This is suprizing, as I know one of the owners. I have to say I haven't sent much myself. Have to check it out.

2007-05-29, 03:25 PM	#3
Axeman-AH Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Swamp Posts: 10	Hi Sy, Well this thread came indeed as a surprise. I have not recieved one email to support@allhairy.com or brent@allhairy.com or axford@ultranet.ca I am checking with our techs to see if indeed the *@inetbucks.com is being forwarded to support@allhairy.com as it is supposed to be. As far as paycom goes for our old program, yes we have to send the cash out as we are part of Paycom EU. They claim since we are EU they don't handle payouts. Yet CCBill has no problem with this. Go figure. We switched to NATS so we could handle all payouts as one. NATS also does a great job of telling us the payouts and where and when so we don't have to go in and break it all down like we used to do. For the old paycom we don't send checks out as often as NATS due to the fact most people have stopped using it and the dollar value is too low. We have sent many emails out regarding the old program and that it will be shut down on June 1st due to the pain in the ass of paycom eu and the very little traffic coming thru it now. We have asked all affiliates to switch over to NATS since last November which you have not done. In Feb we issued you a check on our new NATS account which is an HSBC account for $62.60 which paid you your Paycom money up too Jan 31st. You have not cashed it due to the routing numbers. This is an issue a few webmasters have brought up but most have cashed theirs no problem with no fees. It seems its a bank by bank issue. However we are looking for other solutions to this, but in the UK the only bank that has routing numbers of a US bank is Citibank and having them reply to our application has been lengthy. Also Epass took over 3 months and four times telling us they lost our paperwork. That is now setup and will be implemented to help for North American webmasters. For our NATS resellers I have had my personal US account loaded in Canada and sent out checks to the ones that were having issues. I will issue you a check from this account to catch up to date. As for your money you are owed from Feb 1st - today is $109.55 + the $62.60 from the uncashed check you had in Feb. I will send that out today. The old program is being shut down officially June 1st. All traffic and links will have to be thru NATS going forward. Paycom money from the old program will still get settled every few months as usual due to the rebills that still will be coming in from past sales. These sales, and the rebills are quite small for the old program as it was the secondary biller with no cascading. This is the reason we send payments every few months since most webmaster have very little earned and the min doesn't make sense for the time/cost to send it out. NATS checks still go out every two weeks as usual for all money earned with both ccbill and paycom and rebills. We have added a new amateur tour which is converting great and 36 hosted galleries to push for that tour. Plus many more galleries for the old tour :-) Preview the new tour at http://www.allhairy.com/t3/ Signup to our NATS program at : http://nats.inetbucks.com - Brent

2007-05-29, 03:43 PM	#4
Axeman-AH Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Swamp Posts: 10	Just got done talking to my host and indeed the wildcard@inetbucks.com emails were not being forwarded properly, so anyone sending to inetbucks.com email I must apologize for that. That being said there have and is other ways to reach us and most of our affiliates have done so over the past 6 months for various requests. Have a good day. - Brent

2007-05-29, 07:03 PM	#5
Axeman-AH Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: May 2007 Location: The Swamp Posts: 10	Sy, I sent out your check today for $172.15. It usually takes 5-7 days for regular mail from B.C to reach the east coast. It is on a canadian US $ account so should be no problem with cashing it at your bank. Please if any issues arrise with it contact me via email or on ICQ at 10263929. If we can assist you with anything else or switching to NATS etc please don't hesitate to contact me. I just tested support@inetbucks.com and it works on the forward which is a big relief. I just hate that I missed affiliate emails and gave them the wrong impression about our company and our desire to make money together. Anyway hope you and your family had a great memorial long weekend. - Brent

2007-05-30, 08:24 AM	#13
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	NATS - That ought to fix any problems... no cheques at all will need to be sent out.. I am just watching yet another program that changed to Nats... go from a bearable ratio to 0:10,000+ It sure is funny how the Nats people never came back to that thread.. DD

2007-05-30, 09:03 AM	#15
H.D Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 1	Hi, Lau here from All Hairy. Sorry to here about all this crap thats going on with my program and I hope Brent can handle this and deal with the contact/email issue that occured. I know the UK check payout issue was a huge problem and we have been working on trying to open up a U.S backed bank account from the UK. Also Epassporte will be another option in the next week or so. Regarding "possible cheaters". I think this was not needed. I have been in the Hairy niche for many years now and I can assure you that no webmaster in this niche would consider myself as a cheater. Now going on to NATS and there un bearable ratio's. I have noticed good days and then VERY bad days and have always wondered what is going on. Are you guys calling NATS "possible cheaters" ? If so I will look into this further and will make a decision to pull them from my program. Sy, I requested for your contact on icq. Let us know if u need to talk about anything. Thx!