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Old 2007-06-07, 10:33 AM   #1
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One important aspect that nobody seems ready to pick up on is that the serps are becoming very "muddy". That's to say that, in the case of MILF, for example, there are now two listings relating to the Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) on the first page.

How can Google sustain a model which mixes incompatible search results to an extent which would be unacceptable in the real world?

Imagine going into a book shop to browse some learned tomes about Islam only to find that every other book dealt with guys fucking their best friend's mother. And vice versa - if you're looking for some clips of a guy getting his end away with some hot older woman you don't want to be side-tracked by pictures of some old prune in a burka.

At some point there has to be a parting of the ways - porn goes this way, mainstream goes that way. It's inevitable. The more sophisticated the algorithms, the more obvious the division.

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I guess I've found that thread they were referring to.
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At some point there has to be a parting of the ways - porn goes this way, mainstream goes that way. It's inevitable. The more sophisticated the algorithms, the more obvious the division.
I certainly understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I can agree that there will be a parting of ways. What I *think* will happen, or is happening now, is that the non-specific search will default to non-porn results and porn surfers will have to make it fairly obvious that porn is what they want with their search phrase. But then again, Google already has the Safe Search option for those who do not want adult material. And I think it defaults to the Safe option and you have to choose (and get cookied for) the non Safe option. So why bother filtering beyond that? I don't know.
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Old 2007-06-07, 12:04 PM   #3
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I guess I've found that thread they were referring to.
I certainly understand what you're saying, but I'm not sure I can agree that there will be a parting of ways. What I *think* will happen, or is happening now, is that the non-specific search will default to non-porn results and porn surfers will have to make it fairly obvious that porn is what they want with their search phrase. But then again, Google already has the Safe Search option for those who do not want adult material. And I think it defaults to the Safe option and you have to choose (and get cookied for) the non Safe option. So why bother filtering beyond that? I don't know.
I'd be inclined to think that the effectiveness of Safe Search would depend on the user being aware that an ambiguity existed. Muslim surfers with an interest in The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) might well be mortified to discover that their search uncovered sites depicting attractive older women who like to fuck younger men.

Google does need to get it right. And the harder they try, the harder it seems to get.
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Old 2007-06-07, 01:27 PM   #4
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Muslim surfers with an interest in The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) might well be mortified to discover that their search uncovered sites depicting attractive older women who like to fuck younger men.

Google does need to get it right. And the harder they try, the harder it seems to get.
The thing that stands out to me with this situation is the amount of surfers looking for the Moro Islamic Liberation Front vs. the amount of surfers looking for hot older women when searching for "MILF" is lopsided.

It seems impossible to me to think that Google can figure out based on someone searching for "MILF", that they are really looking for the Muslim site. I would guess that nearly all people searching for that term are looking for porn.

Since Google doesn't know what exactly the surfer might want for this term, what's the problem with offering them a choice in the way of two different types of sites that are referred to with the same acronym? It is not Googles fault that the Muslims named their organization in such a way that it uses the same acronym as Moms I'd Like To Fuck!
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Old 2007-06-07, 01:42 PM   #5
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Muslim surfers with an interest in The Moro Islamic Liberation Front (MILF) might well be mortified to discover that their search uncovered sites depicting attractive older women who like to fuck younger men.
What do you want to happen? You want a search for "MILF" to only return results for Moro Islamic Liberation Front? Or are you saying Moro Islamic Liberation Front shouldn't be returned as a result? MILF stands for Mothers I like to fuck AND Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Both are relevant to the query term "MILF." With a more targeted qualifier (e.g. "sexy milf") the Islamic Liberat Front site disappears from the results, which is exactly how it should be.
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What do you want to happen? You want a search for "MILF" to only return results for Moro Islamic Liberation Front? Or are you saying Moro Islamic Liberation Front shouldn't be returned as a result? MILF stands for Mothers I like to fuck AND Moro Islamic Liberation Front. Both are relevant to the query term "MILF." With a more targeted qualifier (e.g. "sexy milf") the Islamic Liberat Front site disappears from the results, which is exactly how it should be.
Of course "a more targeted qualifier" would work. But therein lies the problem. Why should some muslim scholar feel compelled to dis-associate himself from results linked to porn. And why should he/she feel the need to be be conversant with Google's filter options before making a search.

If search results were automatically filtered with porn this way and mainstrean that way, there wouldn't be a problem. And if solving the problem seems difficult, then I'd suggest that Google has all the money it needs to get the job done.
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Why should some muslim scholar feel compelled to dis-associate himself from results linked to porn. And why should he/she feel the need to be be conversant with Google's filter options before making a search.
Why should some average joe have to see those irrelevant muslim results when searching for MILF? I know why.... Because you want special treatment. Guess what.... You ain't getting it.
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Why should some average joe have to see those irrelevant muslim results when searching for MILF? I know why.... Because you want special treatment. Guess what.... You ain't getting it.
My latest research has revealed something very relevant.

Guess what.... You ain't getting it.
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What I *think* will happen, or is happening now, is that the non-specific search will default to non-porn results and porn surfers will have to make it fairly obvious that porn is what they want with their search phrase.
Another well know search engine is doing that to some extent already. Makes sense that google is or will be soon.
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Where can I buy content for my new reality site based on young Islamic militants banging older babes in Burkas?
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Where can I buy content for my new reality site based on young Islamic militants banging older babes in Burkas?
Do a search on Islamic-Google.com using the no-veil filter.
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