This might be relevant to some of the linklist problems

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ronnie

As mentioned, I have been thinking, if LL trades such as catagory page trades are being seen as a bad pattern (if true), then why couldn't free site submits be seen as a pattern? As Halfdeck mentions. Does'nt seem like there is a good solution if it's all true.

Well, those are the issues I sit here twiddling my thumbs about. Category trades are an obvious scheme - and what do they do anyway? Build PR? Whoop-dee-doo. Reciprocal links are even a more obvious scheme, since they are on low quality (often duplicated) sub-sub pages anyway. And let's face it, if your recip isn't sitting on the same page as the one submitted to the big players, that link is fucking useless as a source of traffic, and most likely, any SE benefit. I'm seriously considering listing only clean sites on my newest list - just for giggles.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Well, those are the issues I sit here twiddling my thumbs about. Category trades are an obvious scheme - and what do they do anyway? Build PR? Whoop-dee-doo. Reciprocal links are even a more obvious scheme, since they are on low quality (often duplicated) sub-sub pages anyway. And let's face it, if your recip isn't sitting on the same page as the one submitted to the big players, that link is fucking useless as a source of traffic, and most likely, any SE benefit. I'm seriously considering listing only clean sites on my newest list - just for giggles.

I have and do get traffic from cataory trades, so for me it's not just for linkbuilding, pr, what have you.

I like the idea of listing clean sites also, but then it's the same old question, how would you get link backs? I don't think any one can say you will rise in the serps without linkbacks and even more so in the saturated adult market.

I think a big part of the problem is the adult market, and many mainstream markets, it's all about the money. No one wants to give unless they get. Not always, but for the most part. I don't mind helping out people, friends, ect, but I am here to make money so I guess I am in that mode also, of give and get. Where in the adult market can you get a linkback without giving a recip, or something? Where can surfers post links to "good" porn sites?

Just thinking...

[Useless]

Originally Posted by ronnie

I like the idea of listing clean sites also, but then it's the same old question, how would you get link backs? I don't think any one can say you will rise in the serps without linkbacks and even more so in the saturated adult market.

The hope would be to receive links back in a more natural manner, as I believe Halfdeck often suggests. I'd hope that people would write a bit about the place on their blogs or hubs or where ever and give me a simple link within that chunk of text. (Those fewer, more natural, links would - I think - be weighed as much more valuable than crappy free site reciprocal links.) And I do believe people would do that. I know I link to sites I like which don't link to me. Others do as well. Bloggers do it all the time. Hell, they even link to sites they don't like while they're discussing them. There would also be the possibility of increased bookmarkers due to the fact that clean sites are easier to navigate than recip-laden sites.

Of course, the list in question lists a variety of pages, so I'd have to decide if I'd also list recip-free AVS sites, galleries, etc.

Also, I've been working on extra features that push the site far beyond the definition of a standard link list, which I hope will make it even more sticky.