Link List SEO / Seppuku

Useless · 2007-07-18, 02:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

...but without the recips you still end up with less traffic / links initially.

There's almost no traffic now anyway. Nothing to lose. I wouldn't dream of doing this to something more established. I'm nuts, but not that nuts.

As far as submitters go - that's an unknown for me as well. I don't know how many people create clean copies of their sites. But for those who do, they certainly have nothing to lose by submitting them to a site that demands nothing in return.

LowryBigwood · 2007-07-18, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

There's almost no traffic now anyway. Nothing to lose. I wouldn't dream of doing this to something more established. I'm nuts, but not that nuts.

As far as submitters go - that's an unknown for me as well. I don't know how many people create clean copies of their sites. But for those who do, they certainly have nothing to lose by submitting them to a site that demands nothing in return.

Good point. You have nothing to lose, and everything to gain. And you won't know until you try. Let me know when you're ready and I will get you a couple of decent 1 way links coming your way.

Bill · 2007-07-18, 05:00 PM

Let's see, if I were going to try to develop a next-gen linklist, what experiments would I try...

1. Build partnerships with a group of webmasters that create a new type of freesite - freesites that are more complex, more unique, funnier, and have more text. Freesites that are unique to my linklist.

1a. I repeat - freesites that are UNIQUE to my linklist.

2. Only accept freesites from trusted submitters. Their freesites would be automatically listed. Part of the deal with the trusted submitters is that they are trusted to provide a certain percentage of chaotic linking.

2a. possibly have two sets of cat pages - one "preferred" set for the good nextgen trusted subbers, one for the old out-of-touch, not worthy to be trusted regular recip subbers.

3. Chaotic linking, generally speaking, would mean "dude, gimme a reasonable amount of links, make up whatever anchor text you like, just don't use a fixed anchor text, link to any fucking page of mine you want, from any page of yours that you want. Link to me a month after you sub the site if you want.".

3a. Perhaps, to become a trusted subber for a nextgen ll, one starts out by giving, say, 10 oneways to the list.
3b. There might be some way to track the linking with a script, but it might not be necessary.

4. Break out of the category pages mold. A nextgen ll needs a large footprint of pages. Create lots of content pages and just cram them sloppily into the linklist structure.

4a. Integrate a blog into the ll.
4b. Get your partners to create content, and let them put some of their links into the content in exchange.
4c. Tons of photos built into the content, optimized for the image searches.

5. Avoid highly strutured linking patterns, like category trades, and the current way freesites are linked.

6. But, do use structured, and possibly scripted, traffic trading. Go back to the traffic trading models of 1999. Fuck google and the horse it rode in on, I'm trading fucking traffic and google can lick my hairy butt.

7. Sloppy, messy, wild, and chaotic should be your core structural models.

8. To the extent that you can, create linkbait. But, linkbait is effectively useless in the adult sector. So, fuck google and the whole linkbait fucking universe. Linkbait, however, still sells.

I got a ton of other experiments in mind, but you get the gist.

Useless · 2007-07-18, 06:09 PM

My goodness, Bill, that's a lot to digest.

1. Getting people to create sites which would be unique to my list would be the single most difficult suggestion to set into motion. If there was a large amount of established traffic, I could see people being motivated to that.

2. I like this, but a guy like me finds it difficult to find a bunch of trusted submitters. (I've been told that I tend to rub people the wrong way.) I do love my partner submitters at Whoring though.

2a. I like the idea of filtered cat pages. (I like lots of pages.) Being that PS accepts a wider array of links, Ponygirl had long ago suggested that I create separate category pages as a way of filtering the content for those who may only want to see free sites, or galleries, etc. I did code the script to do that - and those pages are there in the background, but I never placed navigation to them due to the lack of content. My point being, filtering between trusted submitters and normal submitters wouldn't be a problem.

3. Chaotic linking is definitely what I want. I think I would just assume trust those special submitters with placing links to me on their word as tracking could be a pain in the ass. If I decided it was necessary, I could add a place on the script where the submitter could add the URLs where my links are present into the database and the bot could periodically check to see that they were still present.

4. The tags are a break away from standard categories, but there are so, so many of them. It could be difficult creating a sensible navigation system to lead surfers through the site. I'll have to give this much more thought.

4a. Oddly enough, a very light blog was a recent addition to the admin, but I haven't included my first post to the main page yet because I'm not happy with my miniature blog script. I'd like the tag clouds to pull from both the links and my blog posts, but I haven't gotten that far yet with the coding. My introductory post, by the way, is entitled "I'll be your Huckleberry."

4b. I may be one of the only, if not the only, list owner who shows that kind of trust towards partner submitters. You may recall a long while ago that I added a little feature to Whoring that gives my submitters their own page on the site. It allows them to add links to their sites, their affiliate coded links to paysites, a small blog, as well as automatically listing their last #many accepted links. Examples: Mine and Amateur Kink It hadn't occured to me to allow a submitter to create content for the main pages of a site though. That's a very interesting idea, Bill, and it's not one I'd fear implementing.

5. There was a time that I considered linking to the free sites from within their description, rather than the title, but I wasn't sure how submitters would feel about it. I feared they may think I was trying to hide their links, even though the intention was to link to their sites via a keyword phrase within a block of text. Submitters can be angry people too.

6. My ass isn't THAT hairy.

7. Oh, I can do messy. It's sometimes painful, but I can be messy.

8. Linkbait - That's what I wanted to do with the blog. Just be me and hope that surfers, webmasters, who ever - decide to link to my general idiocy. But I've never bothered doing a blog of my own because it always felt like such a waste of time. But then it dawned on me , who the hell am I kidding? I've been wasting my time on this shit for years. Why stop now?

Thanks for the suggestions, Bill. I see if I can implement some of those while trying to wrangle up a few trusted people who are willing to create content for the site.

Preacher · 2007-07-18, 06:55 PM

1) We've talked about it before, but maybe suggesting people build non-freesite type pages, such as SEO pages instead of the generic 4 page scheme to link to would be seen as valuable to builders, especially with your rate of spidering given your tagging scheme.

4a) I love that quote, but hated the movie.

4b) You know Dragonlists allows you to set up partners to list automagically without review *cough* so I know there are at least some who trust their partners just as much.

Rotating in the content blocks from various submitters to pages of their choosing would be kinda cool, but IMO it'd have to be as obvious as a paysite ad for your surfers, otherwise they may think whatever that content block links to is suggested by or part of your site and when they click through they may lose some trust in your pages.

5) Rather than worrying about what submitters would think I'd be more worried about how user/surfer friendly that scheme would be. You know you could have your script automagically link words in descriptions that tie into a tag you have in place, rather than just list the tags below the description. I have no idea how that would help, but it'd be really keen!

6) That's not what I've heard.

7 & 8)... You talk to much. Shut up and get implementing!

Useless · 2007-07-18, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Preacher

7 & 8)... You talk to much. Shut up and get implementing!

I'd like to point out that no one is more amused by my failures [and my continued whining about them] than Preacher. He should probably be ignored.

SheepGuy · 2007-07-19, 02:30 AM

If you still believed in the PR fairy I'd gladly give you links from quite a few pages the google gods have blessed, and I can send you clean copies of free sites and AVS and TGP as well. The idea about filtering traffic between those surfers looking for galleries, FS, or AVS, though, wouldn't work well for me. The only thing worse than that would be if you named the AVS I was using, which a lot of LL's I don't submit to do. I hate preaching to the choir

I like your descriptions, I fucking love'em in fact, and you've got enough filth in there to keep any bot happy I would think.
I know shit about SE's, just seem to luck into some good keywords, but I think it's a worthy experiment, I'll help any way I can.

2007-07-18, 06:09 PM	#4
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	My goodness, Bill, that's a lot to digest. 1. Getting people to create sites which would be unique to my list would be the single most difficult suggestion to set into motion. If there was a large amount of established traffic, I could see people being motivated to that. 2. I like this, but a guy like me finds it difficult to find a bunch of trusted submitters. (I've been told that I tend to rub people the wrong way.) I do love my partner submitters at Whoring though. 2a. I like the idea of filtered cat pages. (I like lots of pages.) Being that PS accepts a wider array of links, Ponygirl had long ago suggested that I create separate category pages as a way of filtering the content for those who may only want to see free sites, or galleries, etc. I did code the script to do that - and those pages are there in the background, but I never placed navigation to them due to the lack of content. My point being, filtering between trusted submitters and normal submitters wouldn't be a problem. 3. Chaotic linking is definitely what I want. I think I would just assume trust those special submitters with placing links to me on their word as tracking could be a pain in the ass. If I decided it was necessary, I could add a place on the script where the submitter could add the URLs where my links are present into the database and the bot could periodically check to see that they were still present. 4. The tags are a break away from standard categories, but there are so, so many of them. It could be difficult creating a sensible navigation system to lead surfers through the site. I'll have to give this much more thought. 4a. Oddly enough, a very light blog was a recent addition to the admin, but I haven't included my first post to the main page yet because I'm not happy with my miniature blog script. I'd like the tag clouds to pull from both the links and my blog posts, but I haven't gotten that far yet with the coding. My introductory post, by the way, is entitled "I'll be your Huckleberry." 4b. I may be one of the only, if not the only, list owner who shows that kind of trust towards partner submitters. You may recall a long while ago that I added a little feature to Whoring that gives my submitters their own page on the site. It allows them to add links to their sites, their affiliate coded links to paysites, a small blog, as well as automatically listing their last #many accepted links. Examples: Mine and Amateur Kink It hadn't occured to me to allow a submitter to create content for the main pages of a site though. That's a very interesting idea, Bill, and it's not one I'd fear implementing. 5. There was a time that I considered linking to the free sites from within their description, rather than the title, but I wasn't sure how submitters would feel about it. I feared they may think I was trying to hide their links, even though the intention was to link to their sites via a keyword phrase within a block of text. Submitters can be angry people too. 6. My ass isn't THAT hairy. 7. Oh, I can do messy. It's sometimes painful, but I can be messy. 8. Linkbait - That's what I wanted to do with the blog. Just be me and hope that surfers, webmasters, who ever - decide to link to my general idiocy. But I've never bothered doing a blog of my own because it always felt like such a waste of time. But then it dawned on me , who the hell am I kidding? I've been wasting my time on this shit for years. Why stop now? Thanks for the suggestions, Bill. I see if I can implement some of those while trying to wrangle up a few trusted people who are willing to create content for the site. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2007-07-18, 06:55 PM	#5
Preacher There's Xanax in my thurible! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Wherever they screw on my head Posts: 2,441	1) We've talked about it before, but maybe suggesting people build non-freesite type pages, such as SEO pages instead of the generic 4 page scheme to link to would be seen as valuable to builders, especially with your rate of spidering given your tagging scheme. 4a) I love that quote, but hated the movie. 4b) You know Dragonlists allows you to set up partners to list automagically without review cough so I know there are at least some who trust their partners just as much. Rotating in the content blocks from various submitters to pages of their choosing would be kinda cool, but IMO it'd have to be as obvious as a paysite ad for your surfers, otherwise they may think whatever that content block links to is suggested by or part of your site and when they click through they may lose some trust in your pages. 5) Rather than worrying about what submitters would think I'd be more worried about how user/surfer friendly that scheme would be. You know you could have your script automagically link words in descriptions that tie into a tag you have in place, rather than just list the tags below the description. I have no idea how that would help, but it'd be really keen! 6) That's not what I've heard. 7 & 8)... You talk to much. Shut up and get implementing! __________________ NSCash * This Depraved World

2007-07-19, 02:30 AM	#7
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	If you still believed in the PR fairy I'd gladly give you links from quite a few pages the google gods have blessed, and I can send you clean copies of free sites and AVS and TGP as well. The idea about filtering traffic between those surfers looking for galleries, FS, or AVS, though, wouldn't work well for me. The only thing worse than that would be if you named the AVS I was using, which a lot of LL's I don't submit to do. I hate preaching to the choir I like your descriptions, I fucking love'em in fact, and you've got enough filth in there to keep any bot happy I would think. I know shit about SE's, just seem to luck into some good keywords, but I think it's a worthy experiment, I'll help any way I can. __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-07-18, 05:00 PM	#3
Bill Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip! Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 3,914	Let's see, if I were going to try to develop a next-gen linklist, what experiments would I try... 1. Build partnerships with a group of webmasters that create a new type of freesite - freesites that are more complex, more unique, funnier, and have more text. Freesites that are unique to my linklist. 1a. I repeat - freesites that are UNIQUE to my linklist. 2. Only accept freesites from trusted submitters. Their freesites would be automatically listed. Part of the deal with the trusted submitters is that they are trusted to provide a certain percentage of chaotic linking. 2a. possibly have two sets of cat pages - one "preferred" set for the good nextgen trusted subbers, one for the old out-of-touch, not worthy to be trusted regular recip subbers. 3. Chaotic linking, generally speaking, would mean "dude, gimme a reasonable amount of links, make up whatever anchor text you like, just don't use a fixed anchor text, link to any fucking page of mine you want, from any page of yours that you want. Link to me a month after you sub the site if you want.". 3a. Perhaps, to become a trusted subber for a nextgen ll, one starts out by giving, say, 10 oneways to the list. 3b. There might be some way to track the linking with a script, but it might not be necessary. 4. Break out of the category pages mold. A nextgen ll needs a large footprint of pages. Create lots of content pages and just cram them sloppily into the linklist structure. 4a. Integrate a blog into the ll. 4b. Get your partners to create content, and let them put some of their links into the content in exchange. 4c. Tons of photos built into the content, optimized for the image searches. 5. Avoid highly strutured linking patterns, like category trades, and the current way freesites are linked. 6. But, do use structured, and possibly scripted, traffic trading. Go back to the traffic trading models of 1999. Fuck google and the horse it rode in on, I'm trading fucking traffic and google can lick my hairy butt. 7. Sloppy, messy, wild, and chaotic should be your core structural models. 8. To the extent that you can, create linkbait. But, linkbait is effectively useless in the adult sector. So, fuck google and the whole linkbait fucking universe. Linkbait, however, still sells. I got a ton of other experiments in mind, but you get the gist.