An Open Thread To AVN & Internext...

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

...But I will give you a bit of marketing philosophy we use, since you've been so kind.....
ANY appearance, ANY...where the outcome is to expose our product to one new potential user, marketer, or media source is worth it's time in gold. Compensation aside, I think I would consider PAYING for an appearance that meets my criteria...

The rest of that post is unimportant - but this is a gem.

Do you not realize that AVN knows this as well, so while their getting 4-6 experts in a field to speak for free, they are charging the people that are there to learn from them $100-150 per person.

And then there's the spam part - you're not the only one to sit on a panel & use self-promotion. But what does that say to the person that forked over money to hear the speakers basically spam themselves.

That's one of the reasons that I've fucking hatred EVERY "traffic" panel I've been on with the exception of last month's XBiz seminar - there's always a Search Engine or traffic buying/selling person on the panel giving away tiny bits of the puzzle, then plugging how you can find them after & the URL of the website where they will help you buy or sell traffic so that they can get their cut.

XBiz finally figured this part out & had 4 of us up there that had nothing to sell anyone listening. We were Link List owners & a blog guy explaining to the everyday webmaster how to get traffic for free.

I'm not saying that I didn't plug my site as well as the board. I'm saying I had nothing to sell anyone that was listening. I was there to give out advice - like I do every day here on the board & have done for the last 8 years.

So go grab your media exposure & speak to people that paid AVN to hear about what your product does

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And to answer your initial question - AVN & AVN Online are the same when it comes to the independent webmaster, because they have no idea who any of us are - we barely exist in their eyes.

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'm not saying that I didn't plug my site as well as the board. I'm saying I had nothing to sell anyone that was listening. I was there to give out advice - like I do every day here on the board & have done for the last 8 years.

Actually, if i recall correctly, you did a piss poor job of promoting the board. and what not

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by docholly

Actually, if i recall correctly, you did a piss poor job of promoting the board. and what not

Yup - I only mentioned the board twice & I missed a great chance to whore myself out by saying that I post my stats once a month.

I'm the kind of asshole that's there to actually help people & not myself

[digifan]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Yup - I only mentioned the board twice & I missed a great chance to whore myself out by saying that I post my stats once a month.

I'm the kind of asshole that's there to actually help people & not myself

You say asshole, I call you a great guy

[EmporerEJ]

Originally Posted by Greenie

The rest of that post is unimportant - but this is a gem.

Do you not realize that AVN knows this as well, so while their getting 4-6 experts in a field to speak for free, they are charging the people that are there to learn from them $100-150 per person.

And then there's the spam part - you're not the only one to sit on a panel & use self-promotion. But what does that say to the person that forked over money to hear the speakers basically spam themselves.

That's one of the reasons that I've fucking hatred EVERY "traffic" panel I've been on with the exception of last month's XBiz seminar - there's always a Search Engine or traffic buying/selling person on the panel giving away tiny bits of the puzzle, then plugging how you can find them after & the URL of the website where they will help you buy or sell traffic so that they can get their cut.

I'm not saying that I didn't plug my site as well as the board. I'm saying I had nothing to sell anyone that was listening. I was there to give out advice - like I do every day here on the board & have done for the last 8 years.

So go grab your media exposure & speak to people that paid AVN to hear about what your product does

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OF COURSE THEY ARE. They are a BUSINESS. They are providing access. It's the payoff. Is this NOT obvious, that it has to be explained?
I used to shake my head when starry eyed dreamers would talk about "helping everyone for free," and "love thy neighbor" crap. Now I just say, you go get 'em. You go get'em greenie. You're a swell guy.
You get your e-ticket punched for the slice and dice world of traffic management heaven. They will name a chair after you.
I prefer to earn along with the people we are helping.
I used to shake my head when starry eyed dreamers would talk about "helping everyone"

I provide the future by selling it to people. To pay for the research. I show a non-competitive way I can re-purpose people's content. THAT'S WHY THEY ARE THERE. to find new ways to make money.

I'm just not gonna argue about this any more. You refine, refine, and refine your dialing in on the very perfect traffic patterns, and your filtering system for picking that one out of 500, or 5,000, or whatever the current Nirvana number is for traffic sales, and you sell away.
I wish you all the luck in the world. I hope you are the very best traffic management/sales site their is. And after all your work, I'll bet you'll understand everything there is to know about that.
And then what?
You sell that access to people to look at whatever website will pay to strain out the 1-5000 customer, right? Churn them out at, what is it now? 37 days membership before they defect?
(I have no idea if any of those numbers are accurate)
Churn and burn. That's a hard way to make a living, but OK, if that's what you want to do. Too high of a work/return percentage for me.

I think I'll pass.

But back to the point. Apparently, from your perspective, AVN doesn't care. So be it. I think otherwise.
We will simply have to agree to disagree.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by EmporerEJ

...You sell that access to people to look at whatever website will pay to strain out the 1-5000 customer, right? ...

...We will simply have to agree to disagree.

1 - I have no pre-paid ads - I promote sites that surfers have joined via my links in the past. Sorry if you assumed I was being bought out by the sites I promote

2 - I thought we did 18 months ago

[CraigT]

A little late for this one question, but has to be asked, as it will be on the minds of everyone looking at their credit card bills from this last show in Hollywood..

Why are there two menus for the diplomat, one with normal prices all year long... and one for our week where a burger and sandwich is $55
...true story. I can almost understand the expensive drinks, but c'mon, those prices are insane.....


Never mind, we know the answer.... it's just coincidence ....

[Toby]

Originally Posted by CraigT

A little late for this one question, but has to be asked, as it will be on the minds of everyone looking at their credit card bills from this last show in Hollywood..

Why are there two menus for the diplomat, one with normal prices all year long... and one for our week where a burger and sandwich is $55
...true story. I can almost understand the expensive drinks, but c'mon, those prices are insane.....


Never mind, we know the answer.... it's just coincidence ....

To be honest, the high priced drinks and food, was one of the big reasons I chose to attend Cybernet Expo this summer INSTEAD of Internext.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by CraigT

Why are there two menus for the diplomat, one with normal prices all year long... and one for our week where a burger and sandwich is $55
...true story.

Is sodomy legal in Florida? Because that's what I call a good ol' fashioned ass fucking.