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[CelticTiger]

Umm what exactly is your point..? That people don't list your stuff? I am sorry but I dont see that as a "problem" for LL and TGP owners..

No...that's not my problem. As I stated I get listed almost everywhere - you yourself list me - thank you very much

NO your not.. you are constrained only by your own ability to fit with the market and make sales.. pls dont blame us for problems you may have.

I wasn't really blaming anyone.....I simply was trying to see the reasoning behind all the rules which imo seem to be constraining which result in less sales. I didn't say I don't make sales. I'm very pleased with sales - I just think we could make more rather than treat every surfer as if we were afraid to hurt their feelings. Are we here to sell porn or give it away for free?

Who says they are "great"? You? That is your opinion.. not a fact.

Yes this is my opinion and my opinion stands. I make great freaking galleries Is that so hard to believe? You like them too - you list them fairly often. They're so great I find them copied by a few webmasters. They say that imitation is the sincerest form of flattery Why waste my time building galleries that don't sell? Also if I say it 5 times it becomes the truth

"he" has spent "his" time and effort getting that traffic.. why does he owe you anything?

I never said he owed me anything. Or did I? Let me read my post again......Nope - I just said that I have to make ugly galleries just for him to get his traffic which it seems he likes to keep....this is true. I play the game. I take my hat off to the guy, credit where credit is due.....he still only lists crappy galleries Again just my opinion.

I would say... like most people that "have" traffic... they are free to do with it what they think.

As I stated - "Their traffic their rules" - I still think it means less sales tho. This is what I don't understand, rules that will decrease your ability to make a sale. I still willingly play by them.

Lets put your scenario into into "practice" for a minute...
I go and add a pop up and an FPA to every site I own.. GG does the same, MML does the same, etc etc..

As I said these are sales tools and used effectively can yield good results......did I say slap them up all over the place? When I get a surfer in my territory he gets the works......nothing nasty but I make his stay uncomfortable if he doesn't go where I want him too I like to think that I squeeze every penny outta each surfer I get. If he doesn't try a pps he gets offered a free trial and then an email program if the feckin gobshite still doesn't bit he sent to a per click sponor or to a top list. I'm here to make money not give away free porn. You hear over and over that theres too much free porn around. Why? Bescause there is. Unfortunately I'm as guilty as the next man/woman but we all need to diversify and use every traffic generation technique out there......still have to feed the kids.

Do you seriously think that the only effect would be more sales?

YES

I would disagree strongly

Your right to do so.

the only effect would be loss of traffic for the LL owners, and of course that means loss of traffic to all submitters... and that means sales for no one.

Now thats just silly talk. Loss of traffic.....maybe but using fpas and unobtrusive pop ups etc. will increase sales even if traffic is reduced.....this is the bottom line for me.

How do I know this? I run a fake link list and a fake tgp. My traffic is NOTHING compared to GG's etc. but my income from sites listed at my own link list and tgp far exceed sites listed at other spots. Not to mention my bookmarkers (as much as I hate the the f*ckers ) continue to grow.

As has always been the case... you can go and pop as many consoles as you like, and hammer the surfer with FPAs, and give em dialers, and change their home pages, etc etc...

... but the one and only thing we ask.. is that you DONT submit that site to us... thats it!

Now wasn't that just dripping with sarcasm! Did I say hammer them with Fpa's? Did say anything about dialers or changing homepages? No. I don't think they are very effective methods. I leave this to the useless tits who have to resort to these methods to make any kind of living.

When I submit a free site or gallery you can believe that most of them get listed everywhere and that they abide by all the rules. I never said I was averse to extra traffic

When I build them for myself I have a better chance of making that sale. Why because I allow myself to my job. Sell porn memberships to the best of my abilities.

I'll keep doing both.