WTF?

[Useless]

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

Another thought: would 50% of $4.99 really be worth the effort and space required to promote this potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit?

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

That was certainly my take on it.

Looks like BucksMania is on the boards - maybe they can explain/defend themselves?

[LowryBigwood]

I agree with UW, if they are making money charging to show other sponsors content then I would imagine some future problems.

I also like how they know what percentage of our traffic is freeloaders. Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

That's the beauty of their sales pitch. There's free porn all over the net, and we'll give you all the free porn you want for only $4.99!
It's so stupid, it's almost genius. |shocking|

[Fking]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

I agree with UW, if they are making money charging to show other sponsors content then I would imagine some future problems.

We show links to other sponsors content, linking is not illegal
We charge for the convinience to have it all easy searchable, the other search engines "charge" by showing ads.
We are ads free, but there is a fee

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

I also like how they know what percentage of our traffic is freeloaders.

We take that 1:1000 is an OK conversion ratio in nowadays
that means that from 1000 people, 999 dont join and just one joins.
1 is 0.01% from 1000
that means that in this case 99.9% are free loaders for the current site

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Also, how are they going to make freeloaders pay for what they already know they can come to my site and get for free?

"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.
"

[LowryBigwood]

Originally Posted by Fking

We take that 1:1000 is an OK conversion ratio in nowadays
that means that from 1000 people, 999 dont join and just one joins.
1 is 0.01% from 1000
that means that in this case 99.9% are free loaders for the current site

That ratio depends on a great number of factors, how extensive is your research? Is it a guess or are numbers backing this up?

Originally Posted by Fking

"Well maybe if you offer them, all the free porn on the net, neatly categorised and easy to browse and search, updated daily with thousands of fresh pics and movies. Providing them only clean galleries, no pop-ups, no wrong redirects.....they may be willing to pay few bucks per month for that convenience, to have all this handy.
"

Maybe they would, but why would they when they have it all for free right now? IMHO your site is doing nothing new other than trying to charge surfers to view free porn which is not really new either, as far as an idea. All that being said, it will be interesting to see how the site does and what happens in the future.

[Fking]

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

That ratio depends on a great number of factors, how extensive is your research? Is it a guess or are numbers backing this up?

I've took what's considered to be industry standart ok ratio nowadays
its just an example, i dont pretend for scientific precision
anyway, its for sure under 1% (even 1:100 which is considered to be ok SE ratio, means that 99% are free loaders)

Originally Posted by LowryBigwood

Maybe they would, but why would they when they have it all for free right now? IMHO your site is doing nothing new other than trying to charge surfers to view free porn which is not really new either, as far as an idea. All that being said, it will be interesting to see how the site does and what happens in the future.

because we provide them in a easy to find way, no skim, no pop-ups, no false redirects and so on
you pay for the convinience of the service
that's why and the fee is so small

[Fking]

Hello
I'm the owner of the program and site in question, let me try to explane how this really works and why we are not violating any laws.

GetPorn24 is a search engine, just like google.com (well more like images.google.com) it spiders publicly submitted content. In our case we have set the spider to filters and show only galleries, so we can provide categorised and quality, porn only, results.
We output links to the original gallery, without changing any ref codes, using frames or other kind of tricks. We send targeted free traffic to your galleries just like google does.

The only difference with the other search engines is our monetizing model.
- They use your content to provide quality service and then profit from ads on their sites.
- We run an ad free site and instead profit from the tiny fee we charge the surfer. This charge is for the convenience to use an ads free site and have the possibility to search and easy find whatever porn they need.

So, the surfer gets convinient service, you (the gallery submitters) get FREE TARGETED traffic, and we get the fee

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Fking

GetPorn24 is a search engine, just like google.com (well more like images.google.com) it spiders publicly submitted content.

When was the last time that you paid to see Google's search results? Though Google does indirectly (via advertising) profit from it's ability to deliver search results, it doesn't charge in order to display other people's content. Even with their business model, they've faced many copyright and trademark infringement lawsuits.

Over the years, I've seen people suggest that link list and TGP owners could increase their profits by protecting their archived listings with an AVS. But the one argument that comes up and knocks it down, over and over again, is that charging to show other people's content without proper licensing is a big fucking problem.

Trust me, I want to make money every way I can, but I smell cease and desist orders and lawsuits for that business model.

I responded in your SPAM thread too. http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...38&postcount=4

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

When was the last time that you paid to see Google's search results? Though Google does indirectly (via advertising) profit from it's ability to deliver search results, it doesn't charge in order to display other people's content.

Let me say it again, we do not charge for access to other peoples content, we dont own it, we dont host it.
We charge them to use the full functionallity of our site.
And the site delivers links, just links! And again linking is legall!
And if we choose to profit from ads or charge for the service we provide, is completly up to us, since both ways are legal.
Just the other model is pretty much over used, so we decided to try with ads-free but paid site.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Trust me, I want to make money every way I can, but I smell cease and desist orders and lawsuits for that business model.

I dont see lawsuits coming from gallery submitters receiving free targeted traffic. Neither they will have legal reason to do so, since im free to link to whatever i want as long as its not CP or hate/racism propaganda....
The fact that i charge for full access to my site doesnt change that. I dont sell content i sell functionallity, i sell service....


edit: my spam thread is in the spam section
btw you have answer there too

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Fking

Also what about discusssing this normally, without hate-oriented comments? You are grown man, long enough in the biz, lets keep it professional and in a good manner?

I think UW is being quite polite. Especially for him.

I'm sure you got advice from your attorneys telling you this is a legally-safe way to proceed. I suspect you could get another perfectly valid legal opinion strongly advising you not to do it.

It's not the affiliates who are likely to file cease-and-desist orders, but rather other large sponsors, who may not be very happy that content they have licensed to webmasters solely for the purpose of free promotion of their programs is being used as a sales tool to profit one of their competitors.

[Fking]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

So basically they are making a profit from others sponsors' content, right? I would think that such a thing would be violating all types licenses and any affiliate who promotes this 'thing' would be in violation of their other sponsors' terms, I'm sure.

How is linking to galleries illegal? We do not host anything on our side but 1 thumb per gallery. (is images.google.com illegal? Are the thumb TGPs who use gallery filler databases illegal?)

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Another thought: would 50% of $4.99 really be worth the effort and space required to promote this potentially illegal conglomerated hunk o' shit?

As explaned in the sales text in the first post, YES the amount per sale is small, but its about quantity here. And also you get some money from free loaders, from which otherwise you get nothing.
Also right now just 0.01% of your traffic is actually joining a paysite, so the quantity of sales here should be much bigger.
What's the matter if you get just $2.50 per sale if you make 20 times more sales for the same traffic?