I just "broke" the penisbot captcha... Further to the Captcha discussion... - Page 2

Greenguy · 2008-02-09, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper

...I'm not trying to be a prick or anything, just trying to educate when it comes to trying to stop the cheaters/auto submitters, which, IMO, can't really be done via the submit form without driving away real quality submitters....

Do you know who you should have educated? Kit & only Kit.

That's what a trusted submitter would have done.

(and no, I'm not going to read this book - but I would have joined in if I was at home last night)

Viper · 2008-02-09, 03:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greenie

Do you know who you should have educated? Kit & only Kit.

That's what a trusted submitter would have done.

(and no, I'm not going to read this book - but I would have joined in if I was at home last night)

I only picked penisbot to try out my theory simply because it was the first that came to mind when I was thinking about it.. I just as easily have picked hoes or some of the others I mentioned... Telling kit in private would have been of no value to the rest of the LL owners who aren't as successful or perhaps as technical and think that capthca etc. will solve all their problems.

I also don't understand why I would even need to tell kit in private or even directly.. according to UW, all of you experienced LL owners allready understand that your captcha has been defeated and that it's built into auto submitter software... Just doesn't make sense to me...

Viper · 2008-02-09, 03:28 PM

ok.. so I'll make one last post in maybe some attempt to add some value to this thread.. something I would have eventually brought up if it had been a valuable discussion.

It's been said that I'm preaching the value of auto submitting... that I'm advocating letting cheaters submit to you... I guess in some way I am... After going thru all the pain and hassle on my TGPs everyone else has, I started to work on things that were more SEO related and also would be automated... and then I had an epiphany...

Everyone knows that the best traffic is SE traffic... and that you need inbound links to help get yourself better listings... Some will say they need to be relevent.. or have value/PR etc.. but the fact is that thousands of crap inbound links still trumps a few of the others, especially if they're one way which is very hard to get... So my epiphany was "why the hell am I throwing away all those free inbound hardlinks???".. Seriously.. thousands of inbound links a year that we all just throw away... Free except for the minute or two it takes to review the site.. A hell of a lot less time than trying to find link exchanges or build up your own link farms...

So how do you take advantage of this?? You build yourself a few crappy link dump type sites (use link dump software so the site is multipage) loaded with ads.. You only do enough work on them so that they get crawled by the SEs at least once a week and you don't actually try and get traffic to it.. that's not why you have them... Hire yourself some programmer to write you a custom script that will list free sites over there and will scan and delete them for redirecting or 404 etc... it's pretty simple and will most likely only cost $100 or so.... Now open up your submissions and let the links flow.... Every site that gets automatically banned, deleted or that you decline gets listed over on those sites.... Now you've got free ONE WAY links to your sites.. And you'll be kicking yourself for having gotten rid of those category recips like everyone else in that other thread... and it's all automated..

And yes, it's going to help your competitors, but not to the same level it's going to help you since you'll be smart enough to use category recips and also, not every one of those sites will have recips to your competitors but they'll have them to you... So the net result is more links for you... If it's a real concern, then you could have your programmer keep track of the links to your competitors and not list every site over there that has recips to them.

So there you go... There's value in those autosubmitted and cheater sites that every one of us has thrown away...

I'm done.. Take all this for what you will... I'm going back to lurking...

Licker4U · 2008-02-09, 08:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Viper

... I'm going back to lurking...

Somehow I doubt that...

horney · 2008-02-09, 08:32 PM

Abba were a take off of Mamas and Papas. I like them better.

DangerDave · 2008-02-09, 04:33 PM

See Sig

Simon · 2008-02-10, 09:05 AM

Fonz -- no need to say "sorry" on that one, it was a good example of quoting correctly.

I like the Mamas and Papas better too.
ABBA was always too cheery sounding for me.
With the Ms&Ps you could hear the dark side.

.

LD · 2008-02-10, 11:35 AM

I wouldn't compare Mommas and Pappas to Abba. I mean it's the same presentation, but it's like comparing Beatles to Alabama. Oranges and Apples.

Actually I guess you could do that...but here's the deal, Abba had a more progressive sound.

horney · 2008-02-10, 04:36 PM

No. Abba had a more banal sound. Ms&Ps were musicians and originators. You're right, there's no comparison.

KG Gary · 2008-02-10, 06:25 PM

My apologies for mentioning Abba - it wasn't meant to stir up such heated off-topic debate.

horney · 2008-02-10, 08:16 PM

??? Cool, tongue in cheek and very laid back, methinks.

KG Gary · 2008-02-10, 08:57 PM

I'm just fooling around, horney.
Anyway, Abba are far more important than any Captcha issue....if indeed there is much of a Captcha issue.

Seriously though, I only see this Captcha thing from a freesite submitter's side, and Viper is aiming at link list owners, which I'm not, but....
...any freesite builder that lets those codes stop a submit can't be that serious about submitting.
It looked to me like Viper had a purpose here other than simply to educate, like pushing his own script or something.
I'm happy to be wrong though.

2008-02-10, 09:05 AM	#7
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2008-02-10, 11:35 AM	#8
LD wtfwjd? Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,103	I wouldn't compare Mommas and Pappas to Abba. I mean it's the same presentation, but it's like comparing Beatles to Alabama. Oranges and Apples. Actually I guess you could do that...but here's the deal, Abba had a more progressive sound. __________________ Artisteer Wordpress Theme Generator Create Custom Themes! My Little Network

2008-02-10, 06:25 PM	#10
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	My apologies for mentioning Abba - it wasn't meant to stir up such heated off-topic debate. __________________ Sponsors that used to convert with freesites Over 700 clean freesites

2008-02-10, 08:57 PM	#12
KG Gary I can now put whatever I want in this space Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: South East UK Posts: 744	I'm just fooling around, horney. Anyway, Abba are far more important than any Captcha issue....if indeed there is much of a Captcha issue. Seriously though, I only see this Captcha thing from a freesite submitter's side, and Viper is aiming at link list owners, which I'm not, but.... ...any freesite builder that lets those codes stop a submit can't be that serious about submitting. It looked to me like Viper had a purpose here other than simply to educate, like pushing his own script or something. I'm happy to be wrong though. __________________ Sponsors that used to convert with freesites Over 700 clean freesites

2008-02-09, 03:28 PM	#3
Viper Just because I don't care doesn't mean I don't understand! Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: West Coast, Canada Posts: 98	ok.. so I'll make one last post in maybe some attempt to add some value to this thread.. something I would have eventually brought up if it had been a valuable discussion. It's been said that I'm preaching the value of auto submitting... that I'm advocating letting cheaters submit to you... I guess in some way I am... After going thru all the pain and hassle on my TGPs everyone else has, I started to work on things that were more SEO related and also would be automated... and then I had an epiphany... Everyone knows that the best traffic is SE traffic... and that you need inbound links to help get yourself better listings... Some will say they need to be relevent.. or have value/PR etc.. but the fact is that thousands of crap inbound links still trumps a few of the others, especially if they're one way which is very hard to get... So my epiphany was "why the hell am I throwing away all those free inbound hardlinks???".. Seriously.. thousands of inbound links a year that we all just throw away... Free except for the minute or two it takes to review the site.. A hell of a lot less time than trying to find link exchanges or build up your own link farms... So how do you take advantage of this?? You build yourself a few crappy link dump type sites (use link dump software so the site is multipage) loaded with ads.. You only do enough work on them so that they get crawled by the SEs at least once a week and you don't actually try and get traffic to it.. that's not why you have them... Hire yourself some programmer to write you a custom script that will list free sites over there and will scan and delete them for redirecting or 404 etc... it's pretty simple and will most likely only cost $100 or so.... Now open up your submissions and let the links flow.... Every site that gets automatically banned, deleted or that you decline gets listed over on those sites.... Now you've got free ONE WAY links to your sites.. And you'll be kicking yourself for having gotten rid of those category recips like everyone else in that other thread... and it's all automated.. And yes, it's going to help your competitors, but not to the same level it's going to help you since you'll be smart enough to use category recips and also, not every one of those sites will have recips to your competitors but they'll have them to you... So the net result is more links for you... If it's a real concern, then you could have your programmer keep track of the links to your competitors and not list every site over there that has recips to them. So there you go... There's value in those autosubmitted and cheater sites that every one of us has thrown away... I'm done.. Take all this for what you will... I'm going back to lurking...

2008-02-09, 08:32 PM	#5
horney Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 111	Abba were a take off of Mamas and Papas. I like them better.

2008-02-09, 04:33 PM	#6
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	See Sig

2008-02-10, 04:36 PM	#9
horney Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 111	No. Abba had a more banal sound. Ms&Ps were musicians and originators. You're right, there's no comparison.

2008-02-10, 08:16 PM	#11
horney Shut up brain, or I'll stab you with a Q-tip! Join Date: Jan 2008 Posts: 111	??? Cool, tongue in cheek and very laid back, methinks.