Who stoled all the link list traffic?

[Senator_x]

Are link list owners to blame for not keeping up with the times?

I have notice some well established link links go down in traffic significantly. Some have exploded in traffic and has gobbled up all the Google traffic.

Are the tube sites to blame?

Since, a surfer doesn't have to comb through a link list to find what they are looking for anymore.

Surfer goes to tube site find a full length movie to spank to.

Are link list going to be a thing of the past?

I don't believe so, but link list will definitely evolve more like blogs and dynamic content.

[babymaker]

tubes took it all they are much easier to navigate don't have viruses etc like tgps and you don't have to click 800 times to see 3 seconds of video. I think tgp's lots most of their traffic and they are to blame(all the trojans skimming etc) and people went to tubes LL's never had that much traffic just quality and their surfers are of and older generation so i don't think they will go anywhere, but tubes run porn now like it or not.

[bDok]

how do you know how much traffic other link lists have?

alexa doesn't count. gives a ruff idea... but that's no real measurement these days.

tube sites maybe a little to blame, but I think a link list that provides nice updates or any directory for that matter will always become a stopping point for a surfer. fake tgps, fake tube sites, etc. will work a little short term, but any directory/site that is large and comprehensive and updated frequently will always get bookmarkers.

just my 2 cents.

[bDok]

Originally Posted by babymaker

tubes took it all they are much easier to navigate don't have viruses etc like tgps and you don't have to click 800 times to see 3 seconds of video. I think tgp's lots most of their traffic and they are to blame(all the trojans skimming etc) and people went to tubes LL's never had that much traffic just quality and their surfers are of and older generation so i don't think they will go anywhere, but tubes run porn now like it or not.

link lists don't have just old surfers. My brother is of a younger generation and his friends have been over and I've heard them mention directories, etc. that they still visit on a regular basis to search for their porn that aren't tube sites.

[Senator_x]

Link list like Hoes and PenisBot have grown while others have gone flat or plunged.

I converted my link list to a blog site and have increased my traffic and SEO.

[Senator_x]

Originally Posted by bDok

how do you know how much traffic other link lists have?

alexa doesn't count. gives a ruff idea... but that's no real measurement these days.

tube sites maybe a little to blame, but I think a link list that provides nice updates or any directory for that matter will always become a stopping point for a surfer. fake tgps, fake tube sites, etc. will work a little short term, but any directory/site that is large and comprehensive and updated frequently will always get bookmarkers.

just my 2 cents.

I used Compete.com and Alexa.com to get a ruff idea.

For example: The trend if you look at the max time frame is going down.
http://www.alexa.com/data/details/tr...gerdave.com.au
http://siteanalytics.compete.com/dan....au/?metric=uv

Tube site are updated every minute.

[Lace]

Originally Posted by babymaker

tubes took it all they are much easier to navigate don't have viruses etc like tgps and you don't have to click 800 times to see 3 seconds of video. I think tgp's lots most of their traffic and they are to blame(all the trojans skimming etc) and people went to tubes LL's never had that much traffic just quality and their surfers are of and older generation so i don't think they will go anywhere, but tubes run porn now like it or not.

Tube sites are the new TGPs.

Linklists & Text TGPS > Thumb TGPS > Movie TGPS > Tube Sites

Also, think about how conversions have continuously dropped. I don't see a tube site converting any lower then 1:10,000 on a GOOD day.

Just my personal view on things.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Lace

Tube sites are the new TGPs...

Link Lists have always been a distant 2nd to something

[Mr Exotic]

I have noticed that my traffic from linklists seems to be down 20-30% from what it was at this point last year. Maybe its just the niches I've been submitting to but from what I can remember I am working the same niches now that I was working this time last year. I'm not really sure what it could be, maybe alot of the lists I submit to are the ones that have taken a big drop, whatever the cause its a little troubling. Especially since I am trying to establish my own link list.

This week I opened up my movies only link list to movie galleries in addition to movie free sites. Not really because I think the doom of link lists are coming, but with some of the SE trends I have been noticing, and the limitations I have encountered by only listing movie free sites. One thing I have been noticing is that TGPs/MGPs seem to have been climbing in the SEs while link lists seem to have been going down. Then by only listing movie free sites I have really been limiting my amount of link backs and the amount of free content I offer my visitors. For the last 6 months or so I've been averaging 12-15 submits a day, of which 10-12 get approved. Maybe I'm a bit delusional thinking I could have the best of both worlds by listing free sites and galleries, maybe it will have no effect whatsoever, maybe it will make my site jump up, who knows, I just felt like I needed to shake things up a bit. I still have no doubts that I will continue to run my site like a link list, I'll never ever skim traffic (I've been down that road too many times to even count in the past). This is something I've been debating and gave tons and tons of thought about the last several months before doing it, and it seems that the benefits will outweigh the possible negative effects. I really cant see negative effects other than spending an hour a day reviewing links rather than 15 minutes.

As far as tube sites go, I wouldnt know. I honestly have never even been to a tube site before. There's no doubt about it, they are the new traffic kings, but its just taking the TGP model to the next extreme and making the quality of traffic even shittier. I cant even imagine giving away 10,000 free full movies and then trying to sale someone a membership to a paysite that might have 30 full movies. People seem to think that if they have enough traffic no matter how shitty they can turn it into money, at some point it just aint going to work anymore. I think there will always be tube sites out there, but very few people running them that will actually be able to make them profitable. Plus with all the legalities that would go with a tube site, it just doesnt seem like it would be profitable enough to even bother. Then you have limitations for a tube site. Not every joe blow with a few hundred bucks out there can start up his own tube site. The bandwidth costs would be astronomical.

[stuveltje]

what i have noticed and still notice after several years free site making and still being listed at the old linksites is, that traffic will go up and down, but when traffic goes down will not say you loose sales......i prefer to submit to a linksite with less traffic then to submit a gallery a day at tgp sites, for me tgp and tube sites are surfers who only wanna look and not wanna buy, so even more traffic wont say more sales and less trafic wont say less sales

[Useless]

I wasn't going to bother responding to this thread for two reasons:
1. The question is simply ignorant.
2. The thread title is so incredibly fucking stupid, my head hurts whenever I read it.

Why has NO ONE said anything about "stoled"? I mean, holy shit, what is that, past-past tense? Stoled is, of course, a word. It means: to be wearing a stole.

Why do I claim the question to be ignorant, you ask? Well, no one has stolen link list traffic. As Stu stated, it comes and goes. Also, how can you ask where the traffic has gone by giving one example of a traffic loss (which occurred over a year ago and remains much higher than most link lists will ever achieve), but two examples of traffic gained? Doesn't make much sense, does it?

Originally Posted by Senator_x

Are link list owners to blame for not keeping up with the times?

What are link list owners supposed to do? They run link lists. It's only one form of traffic generation. Should they drop their listings and install TEVS? Certainly, tube sites have been able to create a heavy traffic flow in a very short amount of time, but it is shit traffic - especially on the illegal tubes, funded unapologetically by Brazzers, JuggCash, AFF and the like. It didn't start as shit traffic. Giving them everything for nothing made it into worthless, nearly un-convertible traffic.

Originally Posted by Lace

Tube sites are the new TGPs.

Excuse me, but when did TGPs disappear? Tube sites can't really be compared to forerunning forms of traffic generation, not even MGPs.

As far as competing with tubes, the primary difficulty is that illegal tubes gain an enormous amount of one-way inbounds from porn-hungry surfers every day. It's not as if many of them have been SEO'd. Their SE strength must be nearly completely due to inbounds.

Since I really think that this thread has a lot more to do with tube sites than link lists, I'm going to go on with my thoughts.

Tubes don't threaten link lists or TGPs (as a model) as much as they threaten sponsors. I'm not talking about legal tubes right now - I'll get to them in a moment. Those ever-menacing illegal cocksuckers, like RedTube, PornHub and Tube8; that are packed to the brim with full length movies downloaded directly from paysite members' areas and uploaded to the tubes by surfers - those are a paysite owner's worst nightmare. Especially if you're buying exclusive content. And we thought RapidShare was going to be a problem. Ha! A single sign-up can download all of your content and share it with tens of thousands of surfers. Isn't that grand? Your expensive content is no longer exclusive and many of those tube sites will wipe their hairy unwashed asses with your DMCAs.

Naturally, if the paysites aren't converting because all of their content can be viewed for free, then we silly little bitch affiliates aren't eating. I need to lose a couple of pounds anyway. Unfortunately, affiliates can't really do much. Sponsors can, but will they? We know for a FACT that Brazzers and JuggCash are paying for ads on RedTube. You'll see a lot of AFF and Fling ads on illegal tubes as well. So either they're paying to be there or, at the very least, refusing to kill the tube's affiliate account. Twisty's publicly announced their attempt to work with RedTube to see if they could convert some of their surfers, even though they fully realized that the fucking site is packed full of stolen content. But poor Shap, the owner of Twisty's, was displeased because RedTube wasn't abiding by a couple of rules that he put in place for the deal to work. I'm sure it must have been a shock to discover that thieves not only steal, but they lie too! Who'da thunk it? Oh yeah, everyone's favorite spamming content producer, Paul Markham, is currently uploading his own clips to RedTube to see if his shit content will convert. And get this - he blames the rest of us for not promoting his site or buying his content. It's our fault that the old fuck has to see if he can convert RedTube's 1:50,000 traffic. You go, Paul.

One positive thing going for us is that many of the illegal tubes are struggling to pay for the clustered servers necessary to deal with their truly amazing traffic flow. So we're starting to see multiple pop-ups, and my anti-virus has gone off twice while browsing those bastardly behemoths this week. They're pulling all stops to make money and they'll scare away their surfers soon enough. Many of them aren't bookmark-able already. (Oh yeah, RedTube was successfully hacked by an anti-porn group and remained vandalized for about a day.)

What do you, the affiliate, have to do? Push QUALITY. The content found in any members' area is of a quality 500% better than anything viewed a tube site. The affiliate model is far from dead and the sky is NOT falling. This is a period of transition. I would suggest surfing some tube sites and seeing what is out there, both illegal and legal. Educate yourself on the business model.

As far as the legal tubes sites go, they aren't that bad once you except that they aren't going anywhere. Everyone has bitched about TGPs since day one and they haven't flinched. Oddly enough, no one claims that TGPs are giving away the bank anymore. Most legal tube sites have decent clip length rules and they fly the correct sponsor's banner on the movie clip's page. Even if you don't see a paysite banner, many of the movies link directly to the paysite tour.

From what I can tell, the link list's role in this game will remain the same. We will probably end up with excellent SE traffic, TGPs will continue to skim and trade amongst themselves and tube sites will do the same. I was on a tube site the other day that was full of blind links to a handful of other smallish tubes. Go figure.

[Preacher]

Useless types too much.

To sum up his post, yes, tube sites have stoled all the traffic. Please leave the business and let your domains expire.

Thank you, and have a nice day.

[SheepGuy]

The sky is always falling, it has been since free sites with wankable content showed up, let alone those evil TGPs.
Free porn has killed the AVS part of the business as well as the paysite part of the business, and when the paysites all fold up, that's it. Tube sites are just one more sign of impending doom.
Like Preacher says, get out now, it's too crowded here anyways.

[bluebrit]

I always smile when I see UW post, he has a real knack for putting things so eloquently

As for my 2c worth. I think tubes are a temporary thing that will go the way of the dinosaurs. The overheads for such a site must be crippling in comparison to the earnings and as we all know if the surfer gets enough to jack to, he or she is never going to pay…

The model was flawed from the start and it’s just a matter of time before expenses, lawyers or hackers take them down for good.

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by bluebrit

The model was flawed from the start and it’s just a matter of time before expenses, lawyers or hackers take them down for good.

Bandwidth is cheap and hackers aren't a real threat. I am still waiting for major sponsors to take some of the tube sites that show their full-length clips to court. I suspect they're seeing sales from these sites all the same, or else why not prosecute?

[Mr Exotic]

Something I've been thinking about when it comes to tube sites. Do you really think real users are uploading all these movies? Why on earth would the normal porn surfer who just joined a paysite take the time to upload huge full length movies? I admittedly dont understand the whole tube concept completely, but I think I have a pretty good idea of how it works. I just dont see the incentive of users taking so much time to put these movies up. I imagine there are some that do, but I would be willing to be that the majority of these movies are flat out stolen by the tube site owners. Its the site owners who have the incentive to have all these movies up for everyone.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...Why has NO ONE said anything about "stoled"? I mean, holy shit, what is that, past-past tense? Stoled is, of course, a word. It means: to be wearing a stole...

I swear! My 1st comment was going to be "It was stoled by all the non-English speaking webmasters" but seeing as my track record for bashing foreigners (ie: Russians) keeps getting me in trouble, I thought I'd restrain myself

I'm now going to read the rest of the book that Useless posted

[Greenguy]

Useless might have won "Post Of The Year" with 10 months left in 2008.

Great post!

[LeRoy]

Nice post UW. There is a lot to say about Tubes these days. I have been doing movie freesites instead of pic freesites. My sales are doing good this month. So maybe the picture freesites are slowly dying. I guess they will completely die when the old bookmarkers die.

[NY Jester]

I think just as UW said, that illegal tube sites will dry up as the hosting fees, legalities and expenses become far greater than the return on investment.

To me a "legal" tube site, those that only have promotional content and not full length videos, is nothing more than a glorified mgp. I dont think mgp's have hit their peak but will continue to grow in popularity laong with movie free sites and I hope that WM's will stick to those types of traffic grabbers rather than submitting to tubes.

As to address your question Mr Exotic.... in regards to why anyone would waste time to upload the content...Its for the same reason a hack or surfer uploads full length games, software titles, new release movies to sites that cater to them...simply..they can, and there is ALWAYS someone looking for them.

[plateman]

I had a big post I was gonna do but cut it out...

about LL traffic mine has done great in the last 5 months

lets just say I have 4 or 5 legit tube sites in the works, with 1 general and the others niche, done right they can draw a huge amount of se traffic

I agree with everybody that the illegal tube sites are a menace and a ruination of the biz, and the crooked program owners are fueling them

those sites are a mess and the descriptions are all fucked up, and most dont have that many long movies, I dont think those are gonna last

but the legit ones will do good imo, done right with seo in mind there gonna be hard to beat, when there aged a bit and put up against the LL's and tgp/mgp's

and there is gonna be an explosion of them, just go shop for tube site domains to the good niches and you will see...there gone

sure tube site traffic may convert at a low rate but if you have 50 60 70k of traffic a day and you get 4 sales a day average thats 3k a month more than you had, and content is gonna change for them too, flash movies will be hosted and such plus compression will get better

and if you pick those little niches that will keep your BW bill even lower

talk about ads my first tube site has 2 sponsors I am using and either care I have a few ads to VOD or a toy store or dating, all I have are there thumbs on my pages with there banners and secondary banners

but when there movie plays the surfer will see there ad right under the movie or embedded in the movie

what I like is, say I have 4k in movies down the road on a niche tube site, and every time a movie plays the script serves up a ad with my codes in it, plus you can mix PPS and rev-share, it's a win win for the owner, no fucking around with submitters and reviewing, the only drawback right now is adding movies is time consuming

[ArtWilliams]

I like Preacher's better. It's like the Readers Digest version.

Originally Posted by Greenie

Useless might have won "Post Of The Year" with 10 months left in 2008.

Great post!