New free site format (version 1.5)

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Greenie

WAIT! HOLD THE PHONE! After reading that & then re-reading Kit's post, I have a new way of thinking! Kit's not worried about his SE traffic. He's worried about YOURS! Think about it. He's not changing the structure of his Link List, he's asking you to change so that you get more hits from Google!

Sounds great to me. I'm sold.

All I'm saying is that the topic playing with the format is worthy of discussion. I don't agree with Kit's SEO assertions, but I'm also not certain that I'm fully comprehending it. I'm not an SEO. The idea of altering the free site has been put on the table a few times and you, my sexy green friend, have had quite a few ideas yourself. You just haven't gone public with them. If you do, please post them in English so that I can read them.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Sergeyka

...Free site add in Russian LLs, no mirrors unique text content

Before we go any further, I think we need to hear from the French Link List & Free Site Coalition as well.

Originally Posted by Sergeyka

It is necessary to believe

To criticize always it is easy

No, it's not. See, over here, we have this thing called Freedom Of Speech and while it's not a perfect system, we do have the right to question what we do not agree with & not just blindly follow what we are told is right.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...All I'm saying is that the topic playing with the format is worthy of discussion. I don't agree with Kit's SEO assertions, but I'm also not certain that I'm fully comprehending it. I'm not an SEO. The idea of altering the free site has been put on the table a few times and you, my sexy green friend, have had quite a few ideas yourself. You just haven't gone public with them. If you do, please post them in English so that I can read them.

I do have ideas & I really wish this sleep apnea thing didn't run (and ruin) my life for the last 12 months, otherwise I know I'd have brought them up for discussion.

[jds]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Before we go any further, I think we need to hear from the French Link List & Free Site Coalition as well.

lol, Ok I'm giving my opinion then

This thread is typically the thread you know nothing's gonna move with.
Freesite is designed to convert as is, loooking for ways to improve it is adminitting you don't know how to convert with it. Nothing more

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

Difficult and not clear access to the picture and video content - one of the reason, why bookmarkers drop our stone age LL and go to the TGP or Tubes.
Come one, let's try to make 10 pages between surfer and content. You think you will maximize your profit and traffic?...

Do you remember back in 98 or 99 when a majority of Link List owners banned Full Page Ads between the warning & main pages? I remember this, because I was one of those Link Lists. Free Site builders bitched & complained that we were cutting down on their ad space. 9-10 years later, you're gonna tell me that I think there are too many pages on a Free Site!?!?!?!?!

Originally Posted by kit

...I suppose, better do not limit the recips number at all. Just don't mention it in the submit rules. BTW, I have no such limitations.

Neither do I.

Originally Posted by kit

1) I hope, there is less FS mirrors will burn. There is no reason to link to 40 links sites and make at least less mirrors. 1.5 format is more classic 1.0 format than future 2.0 format, but I don't ready to discuss the 2.0 FS conception. GG will ban me. ;-)...

Don't even joke about being banned. There's been one banning on this board based on the poster's opinion and that was because he was attacking a respected member of the board (as well as a personal friend) The fact is that your 1.5 does NOT cut down on mirrors. I don't mind 20, 30, 40 recips on a site, as long as they are laid out properly. I have no idea why people that are on your side keep assuming that there is an issue with the number of recips. If a Free Site builder is making 2 versions with 20 recips on each, that's their business.

Originally Posted by kit

...2. Very good question. In fact yes, longer session is cause of more sales. (we actually force surfer click to the couple links before content.) Another thing is a usability ballance. Today classic FS is abolutely worse for 99% surfers and they go to the TGP and than to the Tubes. 5 years ago, classic FS was like a small piece of gold, 10 years ago it was like a diamond. 15 years ago one porn page built in the totally dark garage (PK, LOR, etc.) made their owners rich.
Time changes and nowaday surfers drop us and go to the much more usable sites. Lets simplify FS and make it more usable for the surfers? Yes, the number of the possible sales contacts will decreased, but bookmarkers will stay on LL.

Link Lists have ALWAYS been less attractive to surfers than TGP's. Hell, I used to tell my friends to go to Ampland because I liked his site better! But that doesn't mean that Link Lists don't have a good solid base of traffic. Regardless of SE, I know my site can send good quality targeted traffic to Free Site owners each & every day.

Penisbot was registered in June 2000, right? Don't talk to me about what happened 10 or 15 years ago. That'd be like me telling Richard or Persian Kitty how it was back in 95 or 96.

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Kit - my main two questions are:

1 - Why do you want to eliminate the warning page or warning text?

2 - Why do all these examples of 1.5 Free Sites have the recips on the left hand side?

Let's go from there. I really want to discuss this with you.

[kit]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Link Lists have ALWAYS been less attractive to surfers than TGP's. Hell, I used to tell my friends to go to Ampland because I liked his site better! But that doesn't mean that Link Lists don't have a good solid base of traffic. Regardless of SE, I know my site can send good quality targeted traffic to Free Site owners each & every day.

Why do not use "the horse" if people used them before? The cars is more usefull, but that doesn't mean that "the horses" don't have a good audience. You're about it?

Originally Posted by Greenie

Penisbot was registered in June 2000, right? Don't talk to me about what happened 10 or 15 years ago. That'd be like me telling Richard or Persian Kitty how it was back in 95 or 96.

I've read abut good old times in their interviews.

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Kit - my main two questions are:

Originally Posted by Greenie

1 - Why do you want to eliminate the warning page or warning text?

I don't eliminate the warning text, but warning page is a horrible thing. I can't find the entrance link on many FS (I'm experianced surfer). I guess the surfers do not stand long time with us and permanently migrate to the more usefull sites like TGP and Tubes.

Originally Posted by Greenie

2 - Why do all these examples of 1.5 Free Sites have the recips on the left hand side?

Because I'm lefthander! Right-handers can place recips on the right side. The people, who can play soccer, can place the at the top and the bottom.

The 1.5 FS format is just alternative to the classic FS and provide more flexability to the site builders. Somebody can post old good FS, somebody can try new format. Who accept blogs in their LL, can you find the warning page there? I don't. And I don't see why the FS must have warning page.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by kit

Why do not use "the horse" if people used them before? The cars is more usefull, but that doesn't mean that "the horses" don't have a good audience. You're about it?...

Horse? Car? What are you talking about? Are horses supposed to be Link Lists & car are TGP's? If so, fine, there's still people that like horses & they still buy things.

Originally Posted by kit

...I've read abut good old times in their interviews...

Good old times? This has nothing to do with good or bad times. This has to do with how things evolved & me having 1st hand experience because I was there. You read a book about a soccer game, while I was there playing it.

Originally Posted by kit

...I don't eliminate the warning text, but warning page is a horrible thing. I can't find the entrance link on many FS (I'm experianced surfer). I guess the surfers do not stand long time with us and permanently migrate to the more usefull sites like TGP and Tubes...

Then why do any Link Lists have any traffic? Based on your theory, no surfers ever come back to a Link List because they are too stupid to find a big text link that says "ENTER" If your traffic can't find an enter link on a warning page, how are they going to find a join link on a paysite?

For fuck sakes! 10+ years of linking to warning pages & you're telling me that people can't find the enter link? You really are delusional.

Originally Posted by kit

...Because I'm lefthander! Right-handers can place recips on the right side. The people, who can play soccer, can place the at the top and the bottom...

So Sergeyka is left handed too? Just admit that you pushed that format because the SE spiders will see those links 1st.

Originally Posted by kit

...The 1.5 FS format is just alternative to the classic FS and provide more flexability to the site builders...

Your reasons make no sense. I have proved every reason you have posted as being wrong or not needed. You bring up the RTA label as a replacement for the warning page & I tell you that the RTA people ask us to put the label on our warning page. You say this will cut down on the number of mirror sites & I tell you that most Link Lists do not have a cap on the number of recips on the free site.

You are telling people to change for the sake of changing.

[kit]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So Sergeyka is left handed too? Just admit that you pushed that format because the SE spiders will see those links 1st.

I don't push it, I offer it as another possible FS format.

And for sure I do not "push" left side recips template, just because it will spidered first. If you know DOM, bloсk position in the browser window and position in html code can be totally different.

Originally Posted by Greenie

I have proved every reason you have posted as being wrong or not needed. You bring up the RTA label as a replacement for the warning page & I tell you that the RTA people ask us to put the label on our warning page.

So, I think all of the following sites broke this rule.
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/blog_porn.htm
http://www.link-o-rama.com/galleries/

So, why don't allow FS be more flexible in their format?

Who want to use FS with warning page - there is no problem.
Who want to use FS without warning page - there is no problem too.

This is what I think.

[Sergeyka]

Originally Posted by Greenie

So Sergeyka is left handed too? Just admit that you pushed that format because the SE spiders will see those links 1st.

I left handed

Sample free site 1.5 I did not

I accept firs 5 free site in my LLs :>)

Wellcome to Reality

[Useless]

Originally Posted by jds

This thread is typically the thread you know nothing's gonna move with.
Freesite is designed to convert as is, loooking for ways to improve it is adminitting you don't know how to convert with it. Nothing more

Know-nothings?

Who the fuck are you? I hope you fall into a bucket of AIDS and die a slow, miserable death, you idiotic cunt-faced nobody. May your tiny cock leak burning puss and your eyeballs bleed acid, you worthless shit. YOU BRING NOTHING TO THE GODDAMNED TABLE.

How fucking dare anyone think outside of the box! How dare anyone suggest a slightly different method of doing things and HOW FUCKING DARE ANYONE ELSE WANT TO DISCUSS IT or pick it up and run with it. You know, just because you wander past a flock of sheep in a field, grazing and waiting to be raped by a farmhand, doesn't mean that you have to get on all fours and start ruminating and chewing straw.

I'm not some damned clueless newbie and I will NOT be addressed like one. And I am not FUCKED IN THE HEAD.

How many of you cocksuckers have even attempted to read the thread on Master X? I did. Google's translator sucks balls, but I tried to understand as much as I could. I wanted to know what other webmasters outside of this small cocooned community were discussing and what their arguments were, for and against, this change in template. I'd love to sit on high and summarily dismiss shit without a second thought. But I can't. If I can find a way to earn another dime in this rotten fucking business, by golly, I'm going to. Maybe you'd be surprised, but the webmasters at Massive X brought up the same pros and cons and they have the exact same doubts there too, SEO and otherwise.

What I don't understand is, what is so offensive about this idea, which amounts to nothing more than a voluntary template change? No one is saying that if some of us decide to build differently that GG and DD better accept out sites - or else we'll cry really, really loudly. GG says he has no cap on the amount of recips and doesn't care if we link to the galleries from the index - so what's the problem? If it's just the warning, why explode? Why not say, everything is fine, but you still need some sort of warning? If I was opposed to this template change, I hope my reaction would have been along the lines of, "I don't think this will help, but it doesn't hurt me, so I don't care what you do."

Warning page this, warning page that. Look at how many 'warning' pages have a a tiny chunk of warning text just above the enter link, after you've just scrolled past three banners displaying a 14 inch cock resting on a chick's face. Unless you have a hidden rule about no hardcore above the fold and the warning text has to be up there too, then you don't really care about the warning. I'm not sure what the warning page standard is, but I assume it's a lot like the standard that says the word Penisbot has to be kit's recips and Nee Dee has to be on R-occo's recips and Debauchery has to be on Spaceman's recips, but Link-o-Rama doesn't have to be on GG's recips.

Even though some us had already begun to discuss the issue calmly and intelligently, others felt the need to attack from the start, to be condescending and insulting. It's a shame, because it would have been nice to hear more opinions from free site submitters, instead being shut down by people who haven't submitted a free site in years, who don't care whether or not free site submitters might be able to work with some changes and might just think that they could make another buck.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

...Debauchery has to be on Spaceman's recips...

I think you meant Capt Sparrow

Here's the thing, I actually don't agree with Useless on warning pages. I like having warning text on the index & believe or not, I don't use uncensored hardcore images on the warning page.

In fact, if you were to look at my first post, you'd see that I actually said,

Originally Posted by Preacher

Now notice I said getting rid of the main page, because there's no reason a small block of warning text couldn't fit into Kit's suggested page layout above.

So my opinion on this has been the same throughout the thread. And when I was discussing Kit's example, I did not think that the recips had to be on the left, or any other specifics, I just thought it was time to and Ok to discuss possible changes to the freesite model.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I am not FUCKED IN THE HEAD

I thought that the "I think you're all fucked in the head." came from our collective responses for a willingness to list Floyd's site. Other than the linear format index->gallery1->gallery2->gallery3 I didn't really notice all that much out of the ordinary. Was it the HPA at the top of the index? I mean it's got warning text and we've all seen recips listed on the side like that before from creative builders. On top of that, Floyd's one of the best submitters I have, he could probably float a turd without my recip on it and I'd still list because of his history of submitting to me.

I'm hoping I'm wrong and the "fucked in the head" comment wasn't directed at us, regular forum members and friends to the board for what we will choose to list on our sites.

I understand there's background here because of who put it out there and the manner in which they did and tempers are running high, but it still doesn't feel good when someone we look up to and respect may have insulted us just because of the type of site we'd list.

[jds]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Know-nothings?

Who the fuck are you? I hope you fall into a bucket of AIDS and die a slow, miserable death, you idiotic cunt-faced nobody. May your tiny cock leak burning puss and your eyeballs bleed acid, you worthless shit. YOU BRING NOTHING TO THE GODDAMNED TABLE

You misunderstood my words.

I meant "Nothing is gonna happen because of this thread", I surely know who has much more experience than I do, you are for sure one of them.

And please stop speaking dirty to me, we don't know each other, I don't think I deserved such disrespect at our first exchange !

[Useless]

Originally Posted by jds

I don't think I deserved such disrespect at our first exchange !

Neither did I, douche bag.

Originally Posted by jds

Freesite is designed to convert as is, loooking for ways to improve it is adminitting you don't know how to convert with it. Nothing more