New free site format (version 1.5)

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Mateusz

But instead of 40+ recips I belive it would be much better for both sites if submiter placed ONE SINGLE recip link on domain root, allowing him submiting as many free sites from this domain as he wants.
Now that should help getting better rank in se for both
-reducing outgoing links on the free site,
-gaining some decent link backs for LL owner
and finally... making submiters life much easier.

I think domain root links may work very well for small link lists, like my own. But the larger lists would prefer quantity over quality, and I _think_ that actually serves them better SEO-wise. Each model has different needs. Unfortunately, the one example we have to go by, Jel's link list, didn't become anymore successful than most small start-ups.

One thing to keep in mind is that if you were using category recips on a free site and submitting it to 15-20 link lists, you are already accustomed to having 30-40 outgoing links on your index, not including ad links.

My best guess right now is that if any change does happen, there will be two types of link lists. Ones who only accept the current model and ones that will accept both. Those link list owners who appear to be open to the idea of the modified index also seem to like the idea of having a more favorable balance between content and advertising rather than a 3 links out rule. In other words, as long as the advertising doesn't over-power or conceal the content, there wouldn't be a specified restriction as to the number of ads.

Originally Posted by Tek Angel

Is this what it comes down to now? Just the number of recips on the warning page?

Well, it was. But now it's becoming more of a revamp and change in policy. All of this may go nowhere, so don't worry too much.

If anyone has any suggestions, please PM me or email me - webmaster AT maladaptedmedia.com

[Mateusz]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

I think domain root links may work very well for small link lists, like my own. But the larger lists would prefer quantity over quality, and I _think_ that actually serves them better SEO-wise.

Actually big LLs are on a win win position since most submitters group recips by traffic/seo rank (not always but most times both go together) and IMO these mirrors have the highest chance (if any) to get ranked in SE

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

My best guess right now is that if any change does happen, there will be two types of link lists. Ones who only accept the current model and ones that will accept both. .

Yeah, I think its the most possible scenario. There used to be TGPs, LLs, AVSs, TGP2s and lately blogs popped up, I think there is still some place left for another type of sites.

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Those link list owners who appear to be open to the idea of the modified index also seem to like the idea of having a more favorable balance between content and advertising rather than a 3 links out rule. In other words, as long as the advertising doesn't over-power or conceal the content, there wouldn't be a specified restriction as to the number of ads.

Thats true, there are user friendly (clean, easy to navigate) sites with 3 ads and there are sites with just one or two blind links that would trick the (especially newbie) surfers to visit sponsors.

Thats like selling anything else - there are customers that are willing to pay big cash to get their needs fullfiled but they sure wont spent a penny if they are forced to buy stuff they don't want.

Anyway.. I think 3ads / 12 pics is good ratio and we dont really need more. Definately we shouldnt give out more free content either but I think the content should be the highest quality possible - just the way its in the members area. Not sure how many LLs have this rule but it exists for sure (even if its unofficial one) - pics should be around 100kb. With the all broadband connections we've got today that's just insane - I'd be more than happy to serve 1024x768 or even bigger photos but due to 100kb rule I simply cant

[Floyd]

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

[SheepGuy]

I would

[CrazySy]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

Floyd, feel free to post any question you want in that thread. I am very well aware that my index page is extremely aggressive, but I made it that way for one reason only and the reason is, I am giving access to my galleries directly from my index page. I knew many people will look at it as a totally fucked up site, and I have no problem with that. I just need to try and see how that concept works, many will list that site and many won't, and I have no intention of changing it. I either submit it to whoever would list it, or keep it for my own use

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

I would. But as far as it pertains to the concerns originally posted by Kit I don't see how it solves anything save possibly the need to make mirrors. So what we're left with is a looser definition of what a freesite should look like (or tighter if this end up being the ONLY allowed formad, by now my head is spinning).

For me personally I'm leaning towards accepting anything that looks decent, has something to offer, and you're not trying to fuck the surfer. Seeing as I probably won't make most people's top 40 it doesn't matter much anyway.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

Without hesitation.

Originally Posted by CrazySy

I am giving access to my galleries directly from my index page. I knew many people will look at it as a totally fucked up site, and I have no problem with that. I just need to try and see how that concept works, many will list that site and many won't, and I have no intention of changing it. I either submit it to whoever would list it, or keep it for my own use

I can't remember who it was, but I used to have a submitter that built sites similar to Floyd's example there. I call them linear, where the index leads directly to the first gallery, the first gallery links to the second, and so on. The main page has always been nothing more than an FPA broken into 3 ad blocks anyway. If a submitter wants to experiment with form and drop that page, or offer navigation around it the way you have in your example, I don't see why any reviewer would care.

Originally Posted by Lemmy

I would. But as far as it pertains to the concerns originally posted by Kit I don't see how it solves anything save possibly the need to make mirrors. So what we're left with is a looser definition of what a freesite should look like (or tighter if this end up being the ONLY allowed formad, by now my head is spinning).

At this point, I'm on a campaign of free site reform, which includes a looser definition so that builders have some room to breathe and be creative, yet the content isn't hidden from the surfer. Though we have to credit kit with bringing this to the table, I'm fairly certain that we are now on a different track than what he had proposed. Perhaps the end result will meet both of our needs and kit will be willing to list a site like Floyd's beautiful example. Who knows?

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

Yes I would, looks good Floyd.

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

i will not list it.

[kit]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

I would (but reviewers don't know about it yet)

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by Floyd

So as to not hijack CrazySy's thread I'm going to ask over here.. what does everyone think of THIS SITE I've taken some of the ideas brought up here and tried to keep it within the basic link list rules... would anyone list it?

I'd list it in a hearbeat!