Seeking 2 or 3 Solid Affiliates to work with

[leftysJ]

After reading a lot of posts, it seems that 90% of results come from 10% of the affiliates in most programs. Instead of having 10,000 affiliates with no focus on any of them, we would rather work with a few affiliates who would really like to work with us and push our program.

Instead of pushing a program that everyone else and their mother is pushing, we would like to work with a select few to push our unique content which no one else will be working on. Let us know what you would like to see in our program (ie. - more tools, etc) for it to make sense to partner up with us.

[Tobbe]

Okey so since i have signed up to your program now and i think im only gonna promote 1 site should i move on or?...

[ladydesigner]

I signed up a while ago for your program but was never able to promote any of the sites as you mentioned someone would be contacting me.

Still waiting to be contacted.....

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by leftysJ

After reading a lot of posts, it seems that 90% of results come from 10% of the affiliates in most programs...

Seeing as I'm usually an affiliate that contributes to the 10% of your income that you don't seem to care about, I'm kinda offended.

I think your data is off, but it seems like what you're looking to do is an "invite only" affiliate program - and I honestly can't think of one that I'm an affiliate of (and I bet that no one else on the board is the affiliate of one either)

You guys need to worry about getting 10,000 affiliates before you worry about alienating 9,000 of them.

[Useless]

Lefty, you need to tighten up your ship before you'll catch any whales.

Most webmasters are going to take a quick look at your site tours and either join as an affiliate or quietly forget about you. They aren't going to take the time to tell you why they aren't promoting you. But I'll give you some constructive criticism.

1. You really need to get Visa approval on your sites. It's a must.
2. Run a link bot on your tours and fix those broken links. http://justgotglazed.com/tour_3.html Click on that "Continue Tour" button up top.
3. Your best content needs to be sampled on your tours. Most of the babes on All About the Pink are so-so, not sexy as all hell. For that kind of site, they should be Twisty's-quality chicks. On Just Got Glazed, there's very little cum and a couple of the babes are ugly.
4. You link to your HFS with CCBill link codes. Don't do that. It screws up an affiliate's stats. Most of us want to see how much traffic we send to your tours, not your hosted links, to evaluate how well the tours convert.
5. Look at your program's home page right now and tell me if that's going to appeal to the whales. There are two boxes announcing the new site for Emilianna (how do you pronounce that?), both with the same distorted photo. When I click-thru to check her tour, I get two password request boxes popping. When I click the play button on the sample movie, I get another password request.

[Toby]

I'd like to know just exactly how one determines if a potential affiliate is one of those top 10% before they've sent any traffic?

[leftysJ]

I Thank you all for taking the time to respond:

Tobbe - I added you on my ICQ list - let's talk about which 1 site you'd like to promote and how we can help you do that

ladydesigner - I e-mailed d2222 to have him contact you ASAP

Greenie - Our goal isn't to alienate anyone, but to work with as many people as possible who are serious about promoting our program. We want to spend more time and energy on those who are going to do the same for us so that we will make more money as a whole together. I only suggested working with a smaller % because that is what I have heard is true of All programs. ie. - a program has 10,000 affiliates, but how many of those (what percentage) are TRULY ACTIVE and creating serious income?

UW - I highly appreciate your constructive criticism and the time that you took to do the QA on our sites. I'll forward them over to D2222 right away and I'll see how many of those we can improve in a timely manner

Thank you all again for taking the time to read and respond to this thread.

[ladydesigner]

Originally Posted by leftysJ

ladydesigner - I e-mailed d2222 to have him contact you ASAP

You told me someone (Leroy) would contact me on March 20th (never did hear anything). After UW pointed out all those problems with your tours/affiliate program that I missed, I think I'll pass. Good luck with your program.

[nibbler]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Lefty, you need to tighten up your ship before you'll catch any whales.

Most webmasters are going to take a quick look at your site tours and either join as an affiliate or quietly forget about you. They aren't going to take the time to tell you why they aren't promoting you. But I'll give you some constructive criticism.

1. You really need to get Visa approval on your sites. It's a must.
2. Run a link bot on your tours and fix those broken links. http://justgotglazed.com/tour_3.html Click on that "Continue Tour" button up top.
3. Your best content needs to be sampled on your tours. Most of the babes on All About the Pink are so-so, not sexy as all hell. For that kind of site, they should be Twisty's-quality chicks. On Just Got Glazed, there's very little cum and a couple of the babes are ugly.
4. You link to your HFS with CCBill link codes. Don't do that. It screws up an affiliate's stats. Most of us want to see how much traffic we send to your tours, not your hosted links, to evaluate how well the tours convert.
5. Look at your program's home page right now and tell me if that's going to appeal to the whales. There are two boxes announcing the new site for Emilianna (how do you pronounce that?), both with the same distorted photo. When I click-thru to check her tour, I get two password request boxes popping. When I click the play button on the sample movie, I get another password request.

UW is absolutely right on the money, especially with not offering the Visa payment option. Also, I was interested in promoting Jerk and Tease which has a whopping 4 FHS and 2 FHG.

[Tobbe]

Leftys im on vacation right now but will answer asap!.

[LeRoy]

awe geez. Sorry for being such a rookie. Kinda jumped the gun here Leftysj. I am patiently waiting for my ccbill tools to be 100% complete. Seems The is a jpeg lib still needs to be added.


Yes we have visible weaknesses accross the board. I fix them 1 at a time. along with every thing else. UW thanks for your constructive critisism. I really do appreciate it along with all the free traffic you give us too.

I told leftysj we need to approve these kind of things with Greenie or Jim. I apologize for causing and ill feelings about Leftys Bucks or myself.

Well... not to be a smart ass or anything. "Hoes' and "PenisBot" bring in steady sales monthly. Hoe's was the very first affiliate to signup to Lefty's Bucks. So I have done something right. My whale just brought me a sale today too. So my tours convert for them. hopefully you can make money of my program too.

I would like to add that we are the little guys here. The underdogs, The people that some of you will right off. All things learned and notes are carefully taken. I am willing to work for free as I have been since I got here. With Leftysj backing me up finacially we will be here for while. The negative things only make us improve and learn to be a better program. After all this is a resource site isnt it?

Oh yah to the newbies out there that want to own a program. check out a membership area first. That info would have been good for me before I made a paysite

[Llam4]

Why would you turn down any amount of extra income because it's not "serious cash"? Cash from that 90% adds up to "serious cash".

[Ramster]

lefty,

As a paysite owner myself I'm telling you that ALL affiliates are important. What if you have 1000 affiliates signup but only 100 send traffic and those 100 can only send 1 sale every 2 days? That's not a lot of sales huh? Well that's actually 100 sales every 2 days or an average of 50 sales a day.

You don't want 50 sales a day?

Getting a big affiliate to push you with all of or most of his/her time is not as easy as you think. So finding "whale" affiliates is not easy, especially being new.

[LeRoy]

For the record. This is not my view on how to run this program

I will accept any and all affiliates. 1 hit no hits, I have no preference.

[CD Smith]

Just remember --- today's "non-productive affililate" could be tomorrow's whale.

Programs that turn away business aren't doing themselves any favors. Yours may be a small program now, but if you want to become big then you may want to operate like the bigs do... that being you take any and all affiliate business you can get, and don't worry about who's sending 100+ sales a month and who's not. Treat them all equally important, provide them all with good admin support and the proper tools, tighten up your ship and run it smoothly (as UW suggests), and your program will grow exponentially over time.

[Trixxxia]

Here's my POV on this. The 'Whales' we hear so much about are 'long gone' - not that they don't exist or have become extinct, don't get me wrong, but 95% of them have alliances with programs that are able to pay them $50-$70 per sale due to the history of their relationship. (if they've been sending the program sales for 2-3 years, those rebills add up and the value per member for that affiliate is way better than the new guy that just signed up).

What you should be (or shall I say, we all should be) focusing on is an affiliate that is consistent. An affiliate that sends you traffic daily, one that can send you the same amount of sales per week - those are GOOD affiliates. Example: SEO guys, Review sites, LinkLists, even some TGPS/MGPS are good. The new agressive affiliate that really work at tweaking their promotions to your program may be asking for different things or asking for more content, but if he shows any sign of success promoting you, he will eventually become your whale if treated right.

A whale is 'subjective' term. It may not mean the same thing to you as it does to me and it changes from program to program.

Focusing on 'Whales' also means you put your program in peril - one mistake on your part, a bad server, clicks not tracking or whatever, can mean the end of your relationship and finding someone to replace him will only get harder.

I like to keep a good mix of different sorts of affiliates - it tends to keep things balanced.

[ronnie]

Definitely not a way to grow a program. I can understand wanting the most you can out of your program, but when alienate the other 90% trying to do it.. not building a good name.

[Simon]

Lefty and D4twos... One thing to keep in mind is that very often people speak and post in a kind of shorthand which results in only part of the message being communicated unless you're already in possession of the cheat sheet which lets you understand what they mean from what they say/write.

A perfect example is that you definitely will hear and read about how "90% of results come from 10% of the affiliates in most programs."

Some of those who say or post that are just repeating what they've heard and seen over and over again, but may not be aware of what the words actually mean. While others are perfectly aware of their real meaning, but either aren't aware that others won't understand what they mean, or they don't care who understands and who doesn't, and some may even may repeat those statements with a slightly malicious intent.

Here's a longer translation of that short phrase quoted above:

"You know that 90% of results come from 10% of the affiliates in most programs, right? Well it's important to remember that it's definitely not the same 10% across the board in all programs. So the 10% of affiliates who produce most of the signups for one program are usually very different from the 10% who do so for another program. It's not like there's some Secret Cadre of Ten-Percenters, and if you could just get them to sign up for your program you'd be golden forever. Sure, it's nice to add an affiliate with huge traffic, but you'll find that it takes more than just traffic to become one of your top 10%. The truth is that your 10% will be those who rise to the top of your own program because of their ability to market what you have to offer. And if you want more 10%'ers then what you really need are more affiliates, so that more of the ones who can successfully promote your sites will rise to the top. Bottom line is you have to grow your own 10%'ers."

Just a little different than the short version.

HTH



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[leftysJ]

I don't think my message was as clear as I should have made it originally. I'll try again and respond to everyone as well.

nibbler - we are currently working on creating more tools for all of our sites across the board, we can see if we have anything extra that you haven't seen yet that can help you promote jerk and tease, if you want something more specific to help you promote jerk and tease, let us know, and we'll see if we can produce that for you - you can contact me directly on ICQ

Llam4 - we wouldn't Turn Down any extra income, we would definitely welcome ANY income, but the point I was trying to make is that I would spend More time working with those who wanted to promote us more

Ramster - if we have 1000 affiliates sign up and ONLY 100 send us traffic (meaning the other 900 affiliates send us 0 traffic) then those are the 10% that we would want to work with, exactly my point - we would work to make sure that 10% is happy to keep their traffic and grow it as well, and obviously, once part of the other 90% wanted to eventually send traffic to us, then they would add to the 10% and we would begin catering to their needs as well

Trixxxia - Exactly, we want to work with consistent solid affiliates, when I say work with, I mean, literally, chat with them on ICQ, e-mail, etc. on a consistent basis and see what kind of tools they need to help them promote better - and yes, of course we welcome any affiliate who's going to give us a sale or 2 here and there (not-consistent) and when they're ready to become more of a consistent affiliate, we will try our best to work directly with them and be right there with them to see exactly what they need to turn them into another whale

Ronnie - Perhaps the original message wasn't clear enough, hopefully by now it makes more sense - and again our goal is to NOT alienate anyone but to work with as many people as possible who want to promote our program - and by work with, I mean spend time and energy with them and see exactly what they need to be able to help them promote better

Also, recent excellent news on one of our paysites:
http://xbiz.com/news/92629

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Simon

Bottom line is you have to grow your own 10%'ers.

Wisest words spoken around here in many moons.

[lassiter]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You guys need to worry about getting 10,000 affiliates before you worry about alienating 9,000 of them.

[NY Jester]

Lefty and D2222 - I think the message you are trying to get out is, that you are willing to work with any and all affiliates, no matter their size, that you are willing to go the extra step in order to satisfy what they may need in order to be able to push the program.

The way I see it...whether you are sending a program 1 sale per month or 100, its still a sale and each one is as important as the next. I think that if an affiliate takes the time to push a program then they are worth every second spent.

[Flynn812]

I agree totally Jester...each affiliate is the next potential 'whale' and even if they arent..they are still helping get the program out there to the public