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2008-04-22, 01:37 PM
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The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep
Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo)
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Back when a warning page was actually a warning page and not a FPA with 20 multi-colored recip tables & 2 small lines of warning text, the current Free Site structure made MUCH more sense.
Maybe we need to go back to that..... |
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2008-04-22, 01:42 PM
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Live and learn. And take very careful notes!
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Sunny Holland
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 Btw alot who probably readed the thread from kit about the 1.5 didnt understand it either, i have seen some very strange free sites submitted at the linksites i review for, they probably had to be the new 1.5 sites, they where all an instand "REJECT". I go for the old rules, so maxium of 16 linkbacks to other linksites, only 3 links to other stuff, yes i make exceptions, but thats only a small group, so yeah i have definitly problems with new conceptions, My bosses lett me deside.....i have great bosses  I cant see a benefit of 30 linkbacks to linksites, oke maybe for the linksites but not for the surfers, so it would be a an ses thing, but i like to relay on the surfers, keep them happy with easy sites, they will come back, we all know ses can fuck you every month, i say go for the surfers and not for the ses. I probably say something wrong here in english but i know what i mean....we need the surfers to come back, so give them what they want, easy to navigate free sites, dont make them think what to click...to many choises are never good Last edited by stuveltje; 2008-04-22 at 01:59 PM.. |
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2008-04-22, 03:00 PM
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NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Sex Delta
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As far as the recips - I would propose two things: 1. First off the LLs have to figure out that the linking back to categories is probably at least 50% (if not more) of the problem you are having getting good listings in Google - over the last 1 1/2 years they have gotten very good at figuring out that those recips and the category linking are "schemes" to build popularity - and have added quite a bit to the algorithm to deal with them 2. No more than 8-10 good looking recips on a warning page - the mirror issue isnt really an issue when it comes to SE's for submitters - you will still get the best version listed and yes the other mirrors will be ignored - for LLs - it just means that whoever is on that mirror picked by Google or other SE gets the pass-through PR(if there ever is any given to the free site) - and the rest just get what the recips were originally intended for which is a click or two every week or so to the LL from a surfer. This isnt rocket science - its "what is good for the surfer" and that means that it becomes "what is good for the LL" - and by default - what is good for the submitter in the long run Too many people are over-analyzing free sites and over-reacting to what they think is the newest "trend/fad" - keep in the back of your mind that just because something works great for TGPs/MGPs doesnt neccesarily mean its going to be good for Free Sites No wonder so many submitters are complaining about not being able to make sales on free sites - they are treating them like something that they see in the TGP world - its a completely different animal and the sooner a submitter learns that - the sooner they will start making some good money added : from a LL owner point of view Id also be happier than pigshit if we could all gather together and decide to get rid of these frigging category trades or at least drop them down to no more than 8-10 max - yeah - there would be a few LLs that would be losing some PR (who cares) - but they arent getting much benefit now - if any - and it sure wouldnt affect their SE listings (since they dont have any) Last edited by Linkster; 2008-04-22 at 03:05 PM.. |
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2008-04-22, 03:49 PM
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Selling porn allows me to stay in a constant state of Bliss - ain't that a trip!
Join Date: Apr 2003
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I'd be happy to experiment with more variation in designs, if I thought I wouldn't get hassled for it.
There was a time when linklists enforced standardization pretty agressively. That created a market situation where every freesite builder had to try to build the optimum site within fairly narrow parameters. That kind of market force rewards a standardized look and feel. Then, all the linklists added 'free hosted sites', which used graphic elements and designs that forced a new, semi-covert standard on freesite design onto builders. Not only were we competing with each other, we were competing with fancier graphic sites, without recips, whose sales we were losing. I'd be happy to reduce the number of recips on a site - but, if I do so when others don't, they pick up the "long tail" of little linklist traffic - which means I'm cutting my own throat (since i don't build mirrors at all anymore). |
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2008-04-22, 10:38 PM
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
Join Date: Jul 2006
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Agree with most of your post, but I'm not crazy about
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I don't ask for or even want category recips on submissions though.
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2008-04-22, 11:01 PM
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NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them.
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Sex Delta
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Sven - you would still want to know what category to submit to - of course that would depend on whether you are really targetting a specific niche to try to get sales from those interested surfers - or just throwing a free site up to see if it gets any sales
Sheepguy - Id be willing to bet that the cat pages you are doing best with have a combo on them that has the least amount of cat trades (which is why I thought the option of leaving the worthwhile ones up was an option) and a good selection of targetted text on the other sites you have listed - if youre up for it I can show you privately what I mean (always free of course since Im totally against anyone charging for knowledge - especially for SEO)  |
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2008-04-22, 11:07 PM
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No matter how good you are at something, there's always about a million people better than you
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Basically I am lazy I hate it when i have to go hunting for the correct cat. link each time I change sponsors. |
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2008-04-23, 01:34 AM
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It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine
Join Date: Jul 2006
Location: Canada
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I am doing better keyword-wise with pages I have less trades on. Damn, never occurred to me that more trades were not necessarily a good thing. I'm definitely up for it and I'll drop you a PM tomorrow. SEO is not something I've worked on, just been lucky with for the most part, and it's very kind of you to offer advice. Thanks!
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