Niche only link list

[LD]

I see these from time to time, and I was wondering what your general thoughts were. I am referring to linklist that just list certain niches (lesbian,tranny,blowjobs,milfs etc). Also, there are some general niche list (fetish, various ethnic) which look interesting.


From a webmaster's standpoint, can they be worthwhile? You're really narrowing down your available submitters. From a submitter's standpoint, seems like a pain as you would need a recip that you could only used occasionally...of course the traffic could be high quality I suppose. I wonder how many submitters bother with them? I rarely do. (and perhaps I should....).

[Greenguy]

From a submitters standpoint, I like them because the traffic is VERY targeted.

From an owners standpoint, the BBW link list that MrMaryLou runs for me (who's kidding who - it's his - lol) is really good & converts better than my BBW pages.

Yes, it's a lot less traffic - but I think they convert better & it's worth it from both POV's

[LD]

Hey, thanks Greenie. I kicking around some ideas for my next project, and a niche based linklist is very interesting to me from a "want to" standpoint. Good to see it can pay off as well.

[Licker4U]

As Greenie said the traffic is very targeted which is what I was aiming for with Girls That Squirt and Hairy Pussy Links. I don't get many submits so I don't need a script which saved me $$$'s and reviews take minutes a day.

[NY Jester]

along the same lines of Greenie...the traffc is less, but the traffic has more substance..they are there for one reason and one reason ONLY..not just a hit or miss click on everything thats there ype of surfer..they wants "free widgets" and want it not stuffed down between other types of widgets..I like the idea.

[LD]

Not to beat a dead horse...oh fuckit, let's beat the damn thing...

How "micro" do you think it should be? Take interracial for example. Would you narrow in a bit and go with black guys/white females? Interracial lesbians perhaps?

How about an interracial with 4 or 5 different cats? Would that be better?

(I'm only using IR as an example, although it is something I am considering).

I guess you could drill down too far, then again you could be too general....Any thoughts?

[bDok]

i've seen milf sites break it down... even to anal, interracial, blow jobs, etc. etc. all focusing still on all the content featuring milfs.

just depends. Personally I would start it off really general and as you gained more and more... Then go back and look to see how you might start with breaking things into other cats.

Cheers,
B

[ArtWilliams]

The potential problem I see with this is that the sponsors don't match the category. Unless the sponsor is for an anal MILF site what purpose does it serve to add that category? It reminds me of a redhead TGP I once saw. Lots of nice looking flame haired women but none of the sponsors were redhead specific. I can't see that being good for conversions.

Originally Posted by bDok

i've seen milf sites break it down... even to anal, interracial, blow jobs, etc. etc. all focusing still on all the content featuring milfs.

just depends. Personally I would start it off really general and as you gained more and more... Then go back and look to see how you might start with breaking things into other cats.

Cheers,
B

[Sven800]

One of the biggest issues I have with Green Guy (hey, I have to pick on someone...) is the overabundance of categories things can be listed in.
(Following example is not perfect, but gets the idea across).

Lets assume I build a Teen site with the first Gallery showing the teen undressing and the second shows her playing with her girlfriend (dildo's/strapons...).

I can't submit this to GG, as it is both hardcore & softcore - half the category will always be wrong. It doesn't fit under lesbian unless the second girl also is in the first gallery.

Unless you can think of at least a handful of sponsors that offer sites targeted specifically towards the niches you are considering, I wouldn't split things up.

[SheepGuy]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

How about an interracial with 4 or 5 different cats? Would that be better?

(I'm only using IR as an example, although it is something I am considering).

That's how I would do it, IR Milf, IR black man white woman, IR asian woman white man, IR lesbian, IR black woman white man, IR BBW, etc.

When you specialize you build a fan base, just make sure you have something to sell that is aimed directly at that base.

[NY Jester]

Just using the example LD - Interracial, I used to work with the IR niche very closely and had done pretty well pushing it. And yes SheepGuy is right, break them up..because each micro niche within IR is all on its own. The surfers are VERY different. Take those interested in Blk Male / Wht Fem - they dont want to see Blk Male with Latina or Asian Fem - and vice versa. If you have enough "product" for each sub-category to start then Id create it with the individual categories in mind and if you dont have enough to start then Id put into motion a plan to get there ASAP. Same thing for BABE niche - it could be broken down into, Blonde, Brunette, Redhead, Black Babes, Latina Babes, Asian Babses, etc. Now if you have MILF - its such a broad category that I dont think or feel the need to break it down..after all its ALL MILF content.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

...How "micro" do you think it should be? Take interracial for example. Would you narrow in a bit and go with black guys/white females? Interracial lesbians perhaps?...

If I was going to build an interracial Link List or TGP, I'd have as many interracial categories as possible - lets take all the ones you have mentioned & then assume that one of the 2 people involved is not white. Latina & Asian interracial is popular as well. Interracial isn't really a micro niche because it covers a lot of categories

Originally Posted by Sven800

...Lets assume I build a Teen site with the first Gallery showing the teen undressing and the second shows her playing with her girlfriend (dildo's/strapons...).

I can't submit this to GG, as it is both hardcore & softcore - half the category will always be wrong. It doesn't fit under lesbian unless the second girl also is in the first gallery....

Do you realize that you're complaining that my traffic is TOO targeted?

Let me ask you this: What kind of a site are you marketing? Is it a Teen Nude site? A Teen Lesbian site? A mix - maybe a teen sologirl that's into girls? I have a category for each of those.

It's not like I have multiple hardcore teen categories (teen blowjobs, teen anal, teen titty fucking, etc) I have one for nude teens, one for lesbian teen & one for hardcore teens. I do this because there are a lot of nude teen paysites, a lot of teen lesbian sites & a lot of hardcore teen sites.

And I have the feeling people think I do this because I don't want "teaser" pics/sites - that's not the case. If you have a redhead in the site you described above, it would go into the only redhead category I have.

I hope all that makes sense

[JustRobert]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Same thing for BABE niche - it could be broken down into, Blonde, Brunette, Redhead, Black Babes, Latina Babes, Asian Babses, etc.

This is what I have done at LegalTeenLust. 15 cats at this time. Traffic is not huge but it is more productive than any other hub/LL/tgp I have. Maybe it is because I am an extremely picky bitch about what I accept there.

[faxxaff]

Micro niches can be very fertile. There are sponsors within every niche. Let's take the ebony niche .... you find a few good sponsors for hairy black girls and there are a few real African porn sites out as well as Carribean blacks and Latina blacks .... and lesbian ebonies, etc ... all very good and targeted. I even remember a black Russian girl who ran her own website a while ago.

Another example would be the Asian niche. You can make a living by selling Japanese sites .... or Filipina sites ... or Thai hookers .... you probably have the worst conversion ratio by selling Asian-American pornstars because everybody else thinks that's the cream of the crop, but it isn't.

[bDok]

Originally Posted by artwilliams

The potential problem I see with this is that the sponsors don't match the category. Unless the sponsor is for an anal MILF site what purpose does it serve to add that category? It reminds me of a redhead TGP I once saw. Lots of nice looking flame haired women but none of the sponsors were redhead specific. I can't see that being good for conversions.

I'd be listing sites (freesites/galleries) based on the content that is on that site. Personally you are showing that there is at least this content that features this at that pay site. Then the tour should deliver a better idea in whole what that pay site is about. At the minimum though they are going to go there knowing that they can get that full movie or a ton more even higher quality pics there. That's how I see things.

Originally Posted by JustRobert

This is what I have done at LegalTeenLust. 15 cats at this time. Traffic is not huge but it is more productive than any other hub/LL/tgp I have. Maybe it is because I am an extremely picky bitch about what I accept there.

Exactly what I was saying to begin with in my first post. You want to break down your content so your surfer gets a better experience at your site. Obviously starting with 20 categories where most don't have anything there doesn't make any sense. So eventually building them up as more sites get added is a good plan imho. Cause a surfer might want to just see teen lesbians and has zero desire to see home slice with monster cock gapping an asshole. So yea you could have that in the descriptions. From a surfer pov I would want to just click teen lesbians and know I can just read those descriptions or look at those pictures/watch those movies with everything already filtered.

[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by JustRobert

This is what I have done at LegalTeenLust. 15 cats at this time. Traffic is not huge but it is more productive than any other hub/LL/tgp I have. Maybe it is because I am an extremely picky bitch about what I accept there.

I agree..the traffic may be less, but in theory it should be more productive..as people are getting exactly what they want. Of course, there is always going to be the surfer who clicks everything, but thats par for the course.

[Sven800]

Greenie - I think the bigger issue I have is with having to have a different niche recip for each different teen category - I would prefer to link to a main "teen" recip page, and let the surfer dig down from there.

Different ways of looking at things I guess - plus that way I could build my teen recips once and not have to worry about changing them then I promote a different teen sponsor

Nothing against your traffic, I'm loving it!

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Sven800

Greenie - I think the bigger issue I have is with having to have a different niche recip for each different teen category - I would prefer to link to a main "teen" recip page, and let the surfer dig down from there...

You should really look at the entire recip page...both of them

[ArtWilliams]

Exactly. That is my point! If you have a redheaded MILF FHG from a MILF pay site, why would you market it to redhead lovers? The pay site is about MILFs. People who join the site want MILFs not readheads. Putting it in a redhead category is misleading and not likely to lead to conversion.

Originally Posted by bDok

I'd be listing sites (freesites/galleries) based on the content that is on that site. Personally you are showing that there is at least this content that features this at that pay site. Then the tour should deliver a better idea in whole what that pay site is about. At the minimum though they are going to go there knowing that they can get that full movie or a ton more even higher quality pics there. That's how I see things.

Exactly what I was saying to begin with in my first post. You want to break down your content so your surfer gets a better experience at your site. Obviously starting with 20 categories where most don't have anything there doesn't make any sense. So eventually building them up as more sites get added is a good plan imho. Cause a surfer might want to just see teen lesbians and has zero desire to see home slice with monster cock gapping an asshole. So yea you could have that in the descriptions. From a surfer pov I would want to just click teen lesbians and know I can just read those descriptions or look at those pictures/watch those movies with everything already filtered.

[Sven800]

Originally Posted by Greenie

You should really look at the entire recip page...both of them

There is more than one?

Figures that I would miss that.

[papagmp]

I get great traffic from a few of the teen and amateur niche LL's.

As for my own, thoughts; I, like Greenie, don't care for mixed content on a FS. I prefer to see one model (or group of models), doing one thing (preferably from the same content set). However; I couldn't care less if the first page has softcore (foreplay and teasing) and the second set has the hardcore (fucking) as long as it's the natural progression of the same photo shoot or video.

This is based more on my preferences as a surfer than on my ideas of ideal SEO or niche alignment. FS's with two totally different sets on page 1 and page 2 always throw me off a bit - even if the general niche is the same (let's say teens for the sake of argument).

As I usually lists FS's in three or more cats on my LL, if the first page has a "perky-titted teen outdoors", and the second page has a "huge-titted teen indoors", you just screwed yourself out of getting listed three cats (Outdoors, Perky Tits and Huge Knockers) - cuz I can't bring myself to put FS's with indoor pictures in my outdoor cat....... go figure....... You're also not doing a very good job of building a FS that targets a specific micro niche.

I thinks it's no secret here that I like amateur teen content - so when surfing, there's a pretty good chance that I'll click on the teen cat of your LL. What you don't know, is I want to see teens with perky little titties and firm round asses. Give me a way to find these teens on the LL, then give me a FS that features them properly, and I'm much more likely to visit the sponsor. Now make sure that the perky-titted teen with the round little ass that was featured on the FS is also on the sponsor's tour, and you just increased your chances of making a sale by a few hundred percent.

So - a good FS with an outdoor hardcore video with an amateur model who has perky little titties and a great ass could get listed in:
Teen, Amateur, Hardcore, Perky Tits, Outdoor, and possible Reality.

The same logic applies on Greenie's Porn Movie Links since he lets you submit in up to three cats. For example; Brunette Hardcore, Shaved Hardcore, and Teen Hardcore. By mixing models and or shoots on a FS - you limit the listing possibilities.

[NY Jester]

Same notion there Papa, by mixing up the niches you do limit where it can be listed and as you stated..you may lower your chances at a sale if the surfer clicks through assuming to see "much of the same" as what revved him/her up in the first place. Where I see that alot is where someone builds a FS and it features two seperate models..if they are both the same - ex: Big Tits and Blonde, then no harm no foul, but if one is a petite brunette and the other a stacked redhead...well then its a wash..one category max.