What's the point of opening your own pay site? - Page 2

CaptainJSparrow · 2008-08-09, 06:05 PM

Hey Papa, what's a tipi shop?

Maj. Stress · 2008-08-09, 06:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

Hey Papa, what's a tipi shop?

http://www.reesetipis.com/

papagmp · 2008-08-09, 06:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

Hey Papa, what's a tipi shop?

Tipi Shop - place where overworked and under paid women make Native American tipis - also known as tepees or teepees.

The tipi shop also doubles as my photo studio where we get a bit crazy at times.

You will also see a few tipis in some of my nasty work - including the one featured in my very first freesite and a bunch of the Real Colorado Girls episodes are filmed in the tipi or greenhouse tipi in my back yard

Now that I posted this, I'll be getting folks calling and asking if they can get a tipi complete with a Real Colorado Girl....

CaptainJSparrow · 2008-08-09, 06:48 PM

So, Papa, you own a tipi shop? Just curious, who buys tee pees, I mean, who is your target demographic? I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm just curious.

I remember reviewing your first freesite, that you mentioned above, even though it was quite a while ago. It stood out, in a good way.

papagmp · 2008-08-09, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by CaptainJSparrow

So, Papa, you own a tipi shop? Just curious, who buys tee pees, I mean, who is your target demographic? I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm just curious.

I remember reviewing your first freesite, that you mentioned above, even though it was quite a while ago. It stood out, in a good way.

Most of our customers put their tipis in their back yards or on their 2nd property in the mountain, on the river, lake etc...

We do have a few reenactment customers, a few commercial customers, we sell a few to different Native American groups, and we've done a lot of movies. Dream Keeper, Into the West, Hidalgo, Peter Pan, Comanche Moon and more.

A tipi is much cheaper than a cabin and can get you out enjoying that lake-side or mountain property that you might not otherwise enjoy without some sort of shelter there.

Bobc01 · 2008-08-09, 07:04 PM

I wake up to a teepee every morning, it's called morning glory or piss proud.

hashbury · 2008-08-09, 10:23 PM

Is there a big startup or setup fee to use ccbill.

Beaver Bob · 2008-08-10, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by hashbury

Is there a big startup or setup fee to use ccbill.

no, signing up for CCBill is free. There is a $750 fee for visa.

papagmp · 2008-08-10, 12:56 AM

If you don't have the $750 for VISA, how the hell you gonna pay for the content, hosting, legal, etc.....

And since the majority of my members pay with VISA, it's a must - not an option.

We spend a few grand every month on "talent", a decent chunk on production costs (camera, editing, etc..) a few hundred on hosting, and that leaves precious little (nothing) for me.

Starting your own paysite is no cheap undertaking - I'm still on the investing phase of a 5-year business plan but things are on track and we expect to start seeing a return in the next few month. My total investment is well into the five-figures (closer to six) so it may take a while for me to see a full return on the investment but I'm in this for the long run not the weekly paycheck.

Beaver Bob · 2008-08-10, 02:04 AM

yea, if you can't afford the $750, you shouldn't even think of opening a paysite.

horndog · 2008-08-14, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by papagmp

Starting your own paysite is no cheap undertaking - I'm still on the investing phase of a 5-year business plan but things are on track and we expect to start seeing a return in the next few month. My total investment is well into the five-figures (closer to six) so it may take a while for me to see a full return on the investment but I'm in this for the long run not the weekly paycheck.

How much money does it actually take to get a paysite started and up and running? If it cost $750 just for the Visa fee how much could someone end up spending on legal advice, camera equipment, modeling fees, and other unforeseen expenses? I'm just curious?

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Star Man · 2008-08-14, 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by horndog

How much money does it actually take to get a paysite started and up and running? If it cost $750 just for the Visa fee how much could someone end up spending on legal advice, camera equipment, modeling fees, and other unforeseen expenses? I'm just curious?

I'm just guessing but if your doing gonzo/reality type stuff and your doing the fucking,directing,and editing on your own I bet it would be around 10 grand.Am I close

papagmp ?

papagmp · 2008-08-14, 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by horndog

How much money does it actually take to get a paysite started and up and running? If it cost $750 just for the Visa fee how much could someone end up spending on legal advice, camera equipment, modeling fees, and other unforeseen expenses? I'm just curious?

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Originally Posted by Star Man

I'm just guessing but if your doing gonzo/reality type stuff and your doing the fucking,directing,and editing on your own I bet it would be around 10 grand.Am I close

papagmp ?

There are a lot of variables - the biggest being the cost of talent.

My major cash expenses include (not in order):

Talent - over >$70K for my three sites so far (I have about 65% of our "shot" content on the sites right now.)
Recruiting - shit - can I write every trip to the titty bar off? I would gess that it's over $600.00 per month.
Legal (including 2257) - $9K
Editing - $6K (I do all the images myself and about 1/4th of the videos)
Programing - $8K (PHP database management) I do most of the HTML and graphic design)
Hosting - $300 plus per month
Photographers/Videographers - $30.00 to $150 per shoot
Testing (STD) - $150.00 per month (models pay for their their own but I have to pay for mine.
No-show - unrecoverable expenses created by models scheduling and not showing or rescheduling shoots - $200 per month on average.

Things that I do that you may have to pay for if you can't do it yourself:

Fucking Teenagers (I'll be happy to do this for you for a very reasonable fee)
Recruiting - can you really do it?
Graphic design (OK - maybe I should pay someone to do this )
Marketing - FS's galleries, banners, affiliate correspondence etc
HTML coding
Affiliate "Love"

Equipment costs:

Location - varies per shoot - I usually shoot at my home or in the woods - there is some risk involved in this in many locations.
Video Camera(s) - $4k
Still Camera(s) - $6K (including most of my lenses)
Video Lighting - $1.5K
Studio Lighting - $2K
Misc - tripods, light stands, soft boxes, reflectors, etc. $2K
Editing Software - Sony Vegas for three machines 1K
Computer(s) - we use four - 2.5K (mine was a lot more but it's older and not worth much now)

I had some of the equipment before I started into adult - and it's sure as hell possible to get by with less but it ain't the equipment costs that will make or break you.

Do the math and figure out how many memberships you have to sell in a month with 60% going to the affiliates and an additional chunk going to your processor - then look to see if you're already selling that many memberships...

Every time I hear affiliates wining about how "filthy rich" program owners are - I have to laugh.....

Star Man · 2008-08-14, 07:52 PM

I didn't want to be rude and ask for specifics but I sure am glad you broke it down like this.Great Post papagmp!

hashbury · 2008-08-10, 02:10 AM

I wasnt thinking of opening a porn site, I already work about 15 hours a day(Also dont think the wife would like the part about me having sex with other women).
Whats the reason for charging 750 take visa. I have a merchent account for adult novelty items and my setup fee was way less than 750

Beaver Bob · 2008-08-10, 02:13 AM

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Originally Posted by hashbury

I wasnt thinking of opening a porn site, I already work about 15 hours a day(Also dont think the wife would like the part about me having sex with other women).
Whats the reason for charging 750 take visa. I have a merchent account for adult novelty items and my setup fee was way less than 750

adult paysites are considered high-risk and thats where they justify the charge. it sucks to have to pay but is really a pretty minor expense compared to everything else involved in running paysites.

papagmp · 2008-08-10, 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by hashbury

Whats the reason for charging 750 take visa. I have a merchent account for adult novelty items and my setup fee was way less than 750

Did you ever hear the story about why the dog licks his balls?

Because he CAN!

hashbury · 2008-08-10, 02:26 AM

LeRoy · 2008-08-10, 03:25 AM

Ok you guys...

Let me give you a touch of reality.

Papa's stories are great and that is why I am still here. Someone that old with such virility can be great a motivator. HEHEHE Luv you Papa

buuut. and this is a big but...

Please read CD34's post again and let that post absorb in your brain really good if you want to be an illustrious paysite owner.

Owning a paysite or a program is pure hell !!! I'm putting that in a nice way.

Sure having Jessica Valentino, Emilianna and Jasmine Tame coming to the door naked, flashing tittie or even asking"does my pussy look good?" is nice but.... who gives a shit about that when rent is due and hosting is over due

Getting the right traffic to the right niche would have been nice before I started my little program. Also your content provider should be on the up and up. I hear stories about mine being a used carsalesman "After" I spend 6 months designing sites geared toward exclusive content

Anyway.... if you have traffic to your niche and web sites before you go into your program. You will be fine. If you are a newbie looking to start a porn paysite project dream. Stick with your freesites and "Converting sponsors".

Hence the siggy that has been feeding the fam

BTW I did get a sale from my program while posting but that's 29.95 in the last month. Oh yah and I'll be working as a cook at some dive bar till this shit gets better. My shift is football Sunday starting today and 3 nights during the weekdays

Sorry if I burst anyones bubble... but I just had to do it

After reading T-Pat's post in the Blog section I thought I'd chime in somewhere.

papagmp · 2008-08-10, 07:12 AM

OK - I lied - or at least did something I don't normally do - I just "auditioned" one of the new girls that Diva brought by - it was her first three-some and it was a hell of a lot of fun!

I didn't "finish" cuz I have a shoot in a few hours and I need to be able to "work" - both the girls finished though - so I guess that makes me a the looser

I have a "sister" shoot with a new petite baby-faced girl in 12 hours and another one with the newly "auditioned" girl on Monday.....

It's a tough job........... but somebody's got to do it

Licker4U · 2008-08-10, 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by papagmp

It's a tough job........... but somebody's got to do it

Let me know if you need a stunt double...

papagmp · 2008-08-10, 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Licker4U

Let me know if you need a stunt double...

Next time I have to fuck three girls on a motorcycle while jumping six burning buses I'll give you a call....

Licker4U · 2008-08-11, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by papagmp

Next time I have to fuck three girls on a motorcycle while jumping six burning buses I'll give you a call....

Three girls? *perk*

HowlingWulf · 2008-08-11, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by papagmp

Next time I have to fuck three girls on a motorcycle while jumping six burning buses I'll give you a call....

NEXT time??? lol

Licker4U · 2008-08-11, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by HowlingWulf

NEXT time??? lol

Three didn't phase me a bit, Papa's the "Pussy Meister"!

Papa

2008-08-09, 10:23 PM	#7
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	Is there a big startup or setup fee to use ccbill. __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2008-08-10, 12:56 AM	#9
papagmp That'll teach you to leave your sister unattended..... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,803	If you don't have the $750 for VISA, how the hell you gonna pay for the content, hosting, legal, etc..... And since the majority of my members pay with VISA, it's a must - not an option. We spend a few grand every month on "talent", a decent chunk on production costs (camera, editing, etc..) a few hundred on hosting, and that leaves precious little (nothing) for me. Starting your own paysite is no cheap undertaking - I'm still on the investing phase of a 5-year business plan but things are on track and we expect to start seeing a return in the next few month. My total investment is well into the five-figures (closer to six) so it may take a while for me to see a full return on the investment but I'm in this for the long run not the weekly paycheck. __________________ Submit: OutlawFreePorn

2008-08-10, 02:04 AM	#10
Beaver Bob Porn Blog Addict Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 715	yea, if you can't afford the $750, you shouldn't even think of opening a paysite. __________________ Need Custom Content? Spunky Dollars

2008-08-14, 07:52 PM	#14
Star Man A boy without mischief is like a bowling ball without a liquid center Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: clevel.......don't make me say it! Posts: 436	I didn't want to be rude and ask for specifics but I sure am glad you broke it down like this.Great Post papagmp! __________________ good luck Last edited by Star Man; 2008-08-14 at 07:53 PM.. Reason: no reason to quote his huge post

2008-08-10, 02:10 AM	#15
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	I wasnt thinking of opening a porn site, I already work about 15 hours a day(Also dont think the wife would like the part about me having sex with other women). Whats the reason for charging 750 take visa. I have a merchent account for adult novelty items and my setup fee was way less than 750 __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2008-08-09, 06:05 PM	#1
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	Hey Papa, what's a tipi shop?

2008-08-09, 06:48 PM	#4
CaptainJSparrow You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Louisiana Posts: 511	So, Papa, you own a tipi shop? Just curious, who buys tee pees, I mean, who is your target demographic? I'm not trying to be facetious, I'm just curious. I remember reviewing your first freesite, that you mentioned above, even though it was quite a while ago. It stood out, in a good way.

2008-08-09, 07:04 PM	#6
Bobc01 Banned Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Hell Posts: 817	I wake up to a teepee every morning, it's called morning glory or piss proud.

2008-08-10, 02:26 AM	#18
hashbury My name is hashbury not assburry Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Tampa Posts: 1,125	lol __________________ Sig Goes Here!

2008-08-10, 03:25 AM	#19
LeRoy "Young dumb and full of cum" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,372	Ok you guys... Let me give you a touch of reality. Papa's stories are great and that is why I am still here. Someone that old with such virility can be great a motivator. HEHEHE Luv you Papa buuut. and this is a big but... Please read CD34's post again and let that post absorb in your brain really good if you want to be an illustrious paysite owner. Owning a paysite or a program is pure hell !!! I'm putting that in a nice way. Sure having Jessica Valentino, Emilianna and Jasmine Tame coming to the door naked, flashing tittie or even asking"does my pussy look good?" is nice but.... who gives a shit about that when rent is due and hosting is over due Getting the right traffic to the right niche would have been nice before I started my little program. Also your content provider should be on the up and up. I hear stories about mine being a used carsalesman "After" I spend 6 months designing sites geared toward exclusive content Anyway.... if you have traffic to your niche and web sites before you go into your program. You will be fine. If you are a newbie looking to start a porn paysite project dream. Stick with your freesites and "Converting sponsors". Hence the siggy that has been feeding the fam BTW I did get a sale from my program while posting but that's 29.95 in the last month. Oh yah and I'll be working as a cook at some dive bar till this shit gets better. My shift is football Sunday starting today and 3 nights during the weekdays Sorry if I burst anyones bubble... but I just had to do it After reading T-Pat's post in the Blog section I thought I'd chime in somewhere. __________________ JAPANESE ADULT AFFILIATE PROGRAM Last edited by LeRoy; 2008-08-10 at 03:28 AM..

2008-08-10, 07:12 AM	#20
papagmp That'll teach you to leave your sister unattended..... Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 1,803	OK - I lied - or at least did something I don't normally do - I just "auditioned" one of the new girls that Diva brought by - it was her first three-some and it was a hell of a lot of fun! I didn't "finish" cuz I have a shoot in a few hours and I need to be able to "work" - both the girls finished though - so I guess that makes me a the looser I have a "sister" shoot with a new petite baby-faced girl in 12 hours and another one with the newly "auditioned" girl on Monday..... It's a tough job........... but somebody's got to do it __________________ Submit: OutlawFreePorn