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Old 2009-03-04, 10:19 PM   #1
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Bill, when the government makes laws about how parents should treat their offspring, I have a problem with it. Parents create the little monsters and expect the "government" to do everything for them, then they whine because the kids don't learn in school or misbehave, or get into drugs/porn/crime. Since when did the government become the caretaker, nanny, and virtual parent?

As an adult webmaster, it is my responsibility to make sure my sites are properly tagged and labeled. I VOLUNTARILY register them with ICRA. It is NOT my responsibility to police what Junior is doing behind his parent's back and I highly resent the use of my tax dollars in such a manner.

Sadly, though, we are in an administration that does believe in big government that tries to regulate everything possible. Our President is young enough to not understand fully that people need to have the freedom to fail and make mistakes. They need to use their own judgement and not rely on foolish laws that don't do anything but intrude on civil rights. I honestly believe that every law should be put to the "harm" test. What is the harm to the general population if this law is not passed? (Thinking traffic laws here.. building codes, things that impact groups of people, not families). Will it tread on our precious civil rights? If it doesn, it isn't worth enacting. This Iowa thing falls into the latter category. The general population feels no pain if is not passed, and it restricts freedom of speech.

Let parents do what they are supposed to do, and government can get back to work.
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Old 2009-03-05, 07:59 AM   #2
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Sadly, though, we are in an administration that does believe in big government that tries to regulate everything possible.
All presidential administrations, starting right after George Washington left office, have believed in big government and controlling every facet of life. The founding fathers were only idealists until they had the reigns in their hands. That's a fact.

I think some of you (Mike) are nuts. It's a little scary to see someone quoting the DoI and calling for revolution over a little piece of bound-to-fail legislation.
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Old 2009-03-05, 09:17 AM   #3
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Old 2009-03-05, 10:04 AM   #4
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[quote=Useless Warrior;44330

I think some of you (Mike) are nuts. It's a little scary to see someone quoting the DoI and calling for revolution over a little piece of bound-to-fail legislation.[/QUOTE]

No I am not nuts just pissed off how this country has been run for the past 30 years. I served my country in the Navy and Army. I feel that I have earned the right maybe just a little to be pissed off. I love my country. I just not sure about the government.
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Old 2009-03-05, 11:30 AM   #5
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No I am not nuts just pissed off how this country has been run for the past 30 years. I served my country in the Navy and Army. I feel that I have earned the right maybe just a little to be pissed off. I love my country. I just not sure about the government.
I'm a veteran too, so that doesn't pull shit with me. Every citizen, whether they have spent years doing military service or not, has an equal right to complain about what they don't like, just as every citizen has the right to disagree.

30 years, 60 years, 200 years -- doesn't matter how long, this country has always been run this way. No matter what the founding documents elude to, there is no right to revolt. That's why no one does. They'll shoot you for holding protest signs on a college campus.

All I'm saying is that it seems odd to yell 'Jihad' over something as silly as this news story.
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Old 2009-03-05, 02:07 PM   #6
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All presidential administrations, starting right after George Washington left office, have believed in big government and controlling every facet of life. The founding fathers were only idealists until they had the reigns in their hands. That's a fact.
Very true, very true. Fortunately, we have had one typically populist President (even though I am not a huge fan of populist demagouges) that kind of rolls things back once a generation.

But, alluding to your later post, the concept that we will ever truly rebel is a bit idealistic.

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do you think it would stand up in court

you go to jail because of the actions of another person

we can treat 14 year olds as adults when we are outraged about the crime but if that same person looks at some tities they are no longer responsible for their actions ... someone else is

we got some whackjobs in this country ..........
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