PageRank

[nate]

It seems to me that all sites start out as "google has no pagerank infor about this page". From there you might or might not go to PR0. The root of any domain (but not necessarily any third level domain) will get PR0 unless the domain has been blackballed by google or some shit like that.

I dont know to what extent it affects where your page comes up in the listing for a given search term. I imagine google keeps that info pretty well guarded, although there are probably websites devoted to figuring out google's algorithms for the shear sport of doing it.

PR matters mostly here because unless you have X amount of PR, a lot of link lists wont bother even looking at anything you submit to them. One of the reasons I think highly of Greenie ( LULZ) is because he doesnt seem to do that, and gives everyone a chance depending on the quality of free-sites they build and submit. That is rare in this business today. He isnt the only one, but he's one of the few big dogs that seems to not have forgotten who and what helped him get where he is today.

My advice regarding PR - build lots of your own domains and get lots of inbound links from free-site lists like GG and TGP galleries like PK. Link to your own sites, but dont overdo it.

I havent tried it yet because I've been too busy, but you might look around for link dumps and slow moving futabas that don't have "nofollow" in there page source and post a few links to your sites there. Also, hard link trades with other sites. Don't expect GG to give you a front page hardlink, but you can find other beginners with PR0-1 that will.

And dont fuck people by taking down their link after they put up yours. In general, dont fuck people at all.

[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by nate

It seems to me that all sites start out as "google has no pagerank infor about this page". From there you might or might not go to PR0. The root of any domain (but not necessarily any third level domain) will get PR0 unless the domain has been blackballed by google or some shit like that.

I dont know to what extent it affects where your page comes up in the listing for a given search term. I imagine google keeps that info pretty well guarded, although there are probably websites devoted to figuring out google's algorithms for the shear sport of doing it.

PR matters mostly here because unless you have X amount of PR, a lot of link lists wont bother even looking at anything you submit to them. One of the reasons I think highly of Greenie ( LULZ) is because he doesnt seem to do that, and gives everyone a chance depending on the quality of free-sites they build and submit. That is rare in this business today. He isnt the only one, but he's one of the few big dogs that seems to not have forgotten who and what helped him get where he is today.

My advice regarding PR - build lots of your own domains and get lots of inbound links from free-site lists like GG and TGP galleries like PK. Link to your own sites, but dont overdo it.

I havent tried it yet because I've been too busy, but you might look around for link dumps and slow moving futabas that don't have "nofollow" in there page source and post a few links to your sites there. Also, hard link trades with other sites. Don't expect GG to give you a front page hardlink, but you can find other beginners with PR0-1 that will.

And dont fuck people by taking down their link after they put up yours. In general, dont fuck people at all.

What the hell are you talking about? A lot of what you say here Nate is utter bullshit. You kind of ramble on like you don't have a clue as to what PR is about or where and how to get it. The only worthwhile thing you said is that you need more incoming links to gain PR. And thats only the half of it. It has to be quality links - not those from Link Dumps - that's where PR goes to die.

As far as Link Lists not accepting low PR sites, I have no idea where that came from other than in regards to Blog Submits at some larger LL's - they require a PR1 to list the blog due to so many splogs being submitted.

If you don't know a definitive answer to help the girl out, I'd keep my fingers to myself. the link above to: http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html will sum up all you really need to know about PR and all it's about. Bad and Good.

[nate]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

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I got through about half a sentence and decided it was too nasty to read, so I stopped. I ddnt realize I'd said anything to deserve such a nasty response. A simple correction of facts would have sufficed nicely.

On almost every page you have a 468 banner for your own site - linked to your own site

I wonder why you are bothering to surf my sites, and why you care that my links are cloaked. Pretty weird. Maybe you dont know the difference between a banner for my site and a cloaked banner that goes off to an affiliate. Is that what it is? Cloaked banners have a lot of advantages. You should look up the concept.

You also might look into that after actually reading the webpage posted earlier, and specifically what it says about links to external sites and the overall effect the number of which has on all links from your site and how it affects the way your site affects other site's PR.

After going back ans reading the nasty post:

And thats only the half of it. It has to be quality links - not those from Link Dumps - that's where PR goes to die.

Links from PR1 and even PR0 linkdumps are better than no inbound links at all when you are already sitting at PR0 It isnt like you are going to be linking back, and google doesnt hold any link to your site against you. If they did, what would stop the people from creating sites designed to stay at PR0 or worse then filling them with links to their competitors?

Also, lots of the futabas have pretty good PR, so getting a link on one will definitely be more helpful than not getting any links at all. 4chan is PR6, 7chan is PR3. Lots of the smaller ones are PR2 or 3. Of course, 4chan is a no-go because they dont let you post links and even if they did your link would be gone before a spider had a chance to see it. 7chan, on the other hand moves a lot slower, doesnt have nofollow on its links (and its robots.txt is 404) and lets you post links. I wouldnt go too crazy though. If you spam them without giving them something in return, they will ban you.

[NY Jester]

Nothing really nasty was said to you nate other than your post didn't really answer her question and was filled with misinformation.

Originally Posted by nate

I wonder why you are bothering to surf my sites, and why you care that my links are cloaked. Pretty weird. Maybe you dont know the difference between a banner for my site and a cloaked banner that goes off to an affiliate. Is that what it is? Cloaked banners have a lot of advantages. You should look up the concept.

Also, lots of the futabas have pretty good PR, so getting a link on one will definitely be more helpful than not getting any links at all. 4chan is PR6, 7chan is PR3. Lots of the smaller ones are PR2 or 3. Of course, 4chan is a no-go because they dont let you post links and even if they did your link would be gone before a spider had a chance to see it. 7chan, on the other hand moves a lot slower, doesnt have nofollow on its links (and its robots.txt is 404) and lets you post links. I wouldnt go too crazy though. If you spam them without giving them something in return, they will ban you.

...and just a slight correction nate - I wasn't speaking to you in regards to any banners. If you look at the post its Hollow who I quoted in regard to the banner not you.

Don't even get me started on 4chan 7chan 12chan etc.