This is crap, I'm buying spots!

[Van Helsing]

Ok seriously it was so nice 5-6 years ago, now its totally messed up. This submission thing i am talking about. Dudes, i seriously can't go outthere and submit to 50-60 tgps a day to make a fortune. I realized that its useless to submit to so many sites because most of them does not list anyway.

I would like to thank you first for everyone who helped me out the day i joined this board, especially Ramster.

Ramster: Sorry man, i bothered you a lot :-)

In the past two months, i spent $200 for hosting and $200 for content. No signs up at all, not enough traffic either.

I don't wanna make hundreds of hundreds dollars like Greenguy, because i see this as a hobby. This is not my job, so i just want to spend couple hours everyday, not 10 hours a day.

So this brings me to this point:
I would like to buy gallery spots from TGPs for the next month.
Obviously I am gonna spend more money, but at least i am gonna get some traffic. After i get enough traffic, i can evaluate myself and say yes i can make money or i cant.

BUT submitting to tons of sites does not help me at all without partner accounts and i FIND IT VERY CHILDISH TO LICK SOMEBODY'S A.... IN ORDER TO GET TRAFFIC!

I rather pay and get the traffic. Therefore I am asking help from you guys.

Please share your thoughts with me and tell me please which big TGPs and categories you were successful with. What TGPs do you recommend to buy spots from and how many spots do you think will be enough to start with?

Thank you very much.

[MrMaryLou]

Its not a matter of kissing ass its just a matter of trust the cheating factor is a 1000% higher that it was say a year ago

[Cleo]

Hobbyists and cheats have really fucked things up for those that make a living doing this.

[Ramster]

Originally posted by Van Helsing

BUT submitting to tons of sites does not help me at all without partner accounts and i FIND IT VERY CHILDISH TO LICK SOMEBODY'S A.... IN ORDER TO GET TRAFFIC!

I rather pay and get the traffic. Therefore I am asking help from you guys.

Times have changed and those who control traffic do what they want with it.

Look at it this way:
If you opened a new store and called the local paper would they run an ad spot for you for free? Of course not! So why should sites that already have enough submitters that They Know list the gallery of a new guy who just came along they've never heard of before? Think about it....

As far as a hobbyist. Don't waste your time. You don't want to submit to 50-60 TGPS? What are you going to do? Submit to 10 and think you're going to make sales? You will but it won't even buy you beer.

Noone is going to tell you what categories they are successful with. But I already told you and everyone on this board that DrBizzaro, Jamies-Galleries, CarlasChoice, GorillaLinks, YoungerBabes and a few others have monthly accounts that are worth the money.

[Van Helsing]

Ramster thanks i got the point.

One question i wanna ask:

IS SOMEONE HERE ACCUSING ME BECAUSE I AM DOING THIS AS A HOBBY AND THEREFORE THEY CAN'T MAKE MONEY BECAUSE THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE LIKE ME???
OR
IS IT DOING SOMETHING AS A HOBBY EQUALS TO BEING A CHEATER NOW?

JESUS CHRIST MAN!

[Surfn]

Hobbyists are not a contributing body to the adult community per se. They usually try and trick surfers which creates animosity toward webmasters that do this full time. Not all hobbyists, just the majority.


If you want to make money part time you have to become an expert first. Get a good cash flow, then taper off. It will not work the other way around.


Good Luck

I think a lot of the good TGP sites will go to paid submissions. Let's face it they have too many partners and they want to make money, also making people pay will keep out the idiots.

If I had a paysite I would happilly pay for listings, as Ramster said what is this thing about getting free advertising.

Might be cheaper to pay for listings than mess around with affiliates on a mass scale.

A stand at Internext would buy how many listings on the top sites?

[Actorguy]

Hello people...I had to respond after Ramster showed me this link...btw...thanks for the props Ramster.

Personally, this proliferation of "spot sales", imho, is garbage. If the spots were so profitable, I would hire people to make me galleries 24/7 and list only them. This is one of the main reasons I will not go to spot sales....it puts me in too much of a bind to deliver. I would pay a monthly submit account faster than I would ever pay for spots.

Pay to submit? Sure. The submitter has a stake in not cheating...although it did not stop two of them. Anybody that has paid to submit to my site....can honestly say they get listed more times than not and generally the traffic is good. Of course..if someone does not have a chance at getting listed...I give them the cash back. I remember the key....I need good galleries. We all do. My way works out so much cheaper than any spot sales will and both myself and the submitter benefit. Advertising is never free...at least not much anymore.

Licking ass, is not required to get traffic. What is required is top notch galleries and a history of playing fair. The problem lies now in that due to soooo many cheats, webmasters have aligned themselves with great submitters and other tgps. The cheat factor drops, good galleries still come in and everyone is happy.

Cleo says it right.....the hobbyists and cheats are screwing it for people. The cheat is a no brainer but I have seen new people in this business that do not know how to optimize pictures, pages are a mess or are downloaded sponsor galleries, free dated content...the list goes on. Time is money and I personally do not have the time nor am I inclined to assist new people on a daily basis. My icq is bloated at times. I have a few that I help...they help....but that is it.

Is it just me...or does everyone see the circle closing? New people are going to have a very hard time breaking in...for many reasons. It is not due to cheats or the ones here for a hobby...but just that there are sooo many "webmasters" now?

btw...."hundreds of hundreds dollars like Greenguy"...
Nooo....not even close......replace a few words there

[Van Helsing]

Thanks...I just did not want to be recognized as a cheater.
Anyways, even being as hobbyist I am still putting money here and i am willing to put more money.

If anyone here does not think that i will affect their traffic in some way, I would still like to hear recommended TGPs to get an account from. Just looking some good TGPs worth buying from and i am not requesting any categories like i asked before.

Thank you.

[Van Helsing]

More thing i recognized i meant actually partner accounts for a fee instead of getting an ad spot.

[Ramster]

I already told you above what sites I'd recommend. Actorguy is from CarlasChoice btw.

Actorguy
Yes an abundance of webmasters makes a difference too for sure and that's what I've told Van Helsing. Most TGPs already get enough good submissions, they don't need more which is one reason why he's not getting listed.

[Linkster]

ActorGuy LTNS good to see ya around here

Van Helsing - after reading this, I (and I hope you dont take this the wrong way) would recommend that you try a slightly different route to do this part-time and make a go of it. First off TGP is a really tough game - you have to have incredible numbers to see a good ROI from the galleries - especially just starting out.
On the other hand, making free sites and submitting those to LLs every day (and I mean every day whether you feel like it or not) and then if you have time left over, making a tgp gallery out of your free site galleries and submit those to maybe 30 good tgps - for the time being to get your name out there and recognized - and keep this effort up for 6 months, I would expect you to be making at least a few hundred a month . Add in some hubs and your own little fake tgps and LLs and your empire will grow - again only limited by the amount of time and effort you put into it.

If you tell me that you dont have the time to submit to 30 tgps and 36 LLs every day, which once you get in the habit should take under an hour, then you definitely aren't cut out to do this.
But I know of at least 100 WMs Ive personally watched and helped in the past, that have done this biz in their spare time, and are doing thousands and thousands a month now.

[Actorguy]

Thanks Linkster...there are never enough hours in the day to do what we have to do.

Actually...I am now Wes Savage.....compliments of:http://www.mypornname.com


j/k

[Linkster]

AG

Yeah I was renamed Chad Rage guess they know my profile too well LOL

[Cleo]

Hi ActorGuy, great to see you stopping by.

I like the paid yearly submit pass very much and if and when I go to paid submit I'll probably model mine after ActorGuy's system.

It isn't so much the money as it is I want to know how is really submitting to me and a token payment of about $100 per year seems about right.

This business is NOT a hobby for me, it is a majority of my income. It is very hard to compete with someone that is happy to only make a few grand or less a month doing this as a hobby. I like what I do but I do it to make money not have fun.

IMO hobbyists are very much a problem in this industry.

[Alphawolf]

Originally posted by Cleo
It isn't so much the money as it is I want to know how is really submitting to me and a token payment of about $100 per year seems about right.

Will there be a GG&J frequent poster discount?

[Greenguy]

Originally posted by Alphawolf
Will there be a GG&J frequent poster discount?

$99.95 (we're cheap bastards - LOL)

[Alphawolf]

|doh|

[Van Helsing]

Linkster, you are absolutely right. This is i guess have to do with my age. I am just too curious, and get mad quick when i do a clean gallery and nobody lists it, or when i don't make money right away. Most people here has been in this business for many years or had or worked in other business for many years. They have a lot of experience than i do for sure.

So what i have decided to do is to switch my hosting to a cheaper one and build just free-sites. If i make my name out there and start earning some cash, then i can move to the next step from being hobbists to the real deal.

Thanks for people who shared their thoughts with us.

And Linkster, may i request your ICQ number to ask some questions if you don't mind?? I've been bothering Ramster too much i guess :-)

[Cleo]

Sites are nice, low BW, long term traffic, four pages of ads.

[Altheon]

Van Helsing, it looks like you are presupposing that if you were to get listed that you would get at least enough conversions to cover the paid listing spot as well as your other costs.

I'm a newbie too but I have the advantage of doing it full time. I've been at it thrree months and everyday there is something new to learn. Since you only can work on your adult stuff a couple of hours a day of course it is going to take longer to master good sales text and design. Once you have those down, maybe paid listing would be more profitable.

Just a thought...

-A

[Actorguy]

Originally posted by Cleo

I like the paid yearly submit pass very much and if and when I go to paid submit I'll probably model mine after ActorGuy's system.

Hi Cleo....

Ya...a few people got a submit pass when I started with a one time fee. Things have changed of course for many reasons but..you are one that will never pay again.

[grzepa]

Galleries... oh how I wish I could get listed everytime on lumberjacks etc. etc. however after like 4 months of submitting every 2-3 days a gallery I got listed at Persian Kitty's TGP

Im building mostly free sites, I have partner accounts on very few TGP's : pichunter, freepicseries.com, hi-octane, sextitan, realityperv , but Im still filling the partner request forms and hoping to get some more accounts

The thing that hurts me is that after 7 months of submitting I still didnt make it to get listed on Tommys and JK's , I dont know maybe Im on their blacklist or something, I emailed JK , no reply, so I cut submitting to him
I know a friend I reffered to the biz made only 3 sites and allready is listed on both.

[Linkster]

Originally posted by Van Helsing
And Linkster, may i request your ICQ number to ask some questions if you don't mind??

Its in my profile - and I dont think anyone here is ever above giving anyone some "appreciated" help Thats part of what makes this board a cut above the rest out there with the willingness of everyone here to help someone that really wants to learn and get into this full time in the future

[Van Helsing]

Ok, no problem.