Curiosity question for We Love Free Porn...

[Jaden]

I am just curious about the new rule for descriptions and titles and what exactly qualifies as degrading and offensive. Been submitting for awhile now, and would hate to have that be a reason for being rejected in the future.

Thanks

[Opti]

Hi Jaden,

If you are a regular and get a reject you think is unusual please e-mail or ask here like you have. I like people who care enough to follow up.. and am pretty friendly most of the time

BTW, if you get an e-mail reject from **************.com it means we want you to keep submitting! We dont e-mail rejects to those we dont want to deal with ;-)

Reason for rules changes is that I am working toward having a more general audience database with descriptions that are hopefully not offensive to read for any type of porn surfer.... man, woman, gay, straight or anyone else.

I don't care about how webmasters describe the content on their submitted sites (in most cases anyway) but I am trying to avoid calling models "Bitches, Whores, Worthless" or anything similar on my site... I am even tossing up the idea of losing "Slut" too.

Please excuse the way the rules page is right now... Security Man is updating it as we go along trying to work out what will work best.. I am starting to think we might go the way of Greenguy and write our own descriptions and avoid the problem all together.. either way I will have to re-write all the old sites descriptions :\

I'm glad you asked about this.. because if anyone, particularly submitters, want to give some input I would love to hear it... as now is exactly the right time for any ideas or suggestions!

I also plan to stop taking watersports sites, reality sites that deal with sex with drunk people, tricking people into sex or sites that sell on the theme of a powerful person taking advantage of weaker one... ie: 90% of the Old V Young niche sites... oh yeah, apart from these and all the other obvious ones.. I don't like the word "Torture" either.

I'm not saying all this is terrible stuff or the people that submit it are now bad... Just that the this one site, **************.com is changing direction slightly.

Hopefully a few people will find this worth discussion.. I know pushing the envelope has always made the most money so on the surface this may seem like a dumb move... and I am open to be talked out of it still.

Thanks for asking Jaden,

Opti

[Surfn]

Although I don't submit to your site, watersports has always been one of my best converting niches.

[Opti]

Originally posted by Surfn
Although I don't submit to your site, watersports has always been one of my best converting niches.

One of the more popular categories with surfers too... :\

I havent taken down it down yet btw.. just thinking about his stuff still.

Watersports is probably right on the borderline.. I see it a bit like fisting.. it's probably fine in most places.. and should be legal for those that like it in all places... But for the average porn surfer, is it over the line in terms of being offensive or degrading if they are not really expecting it from a SERP link into a category page for example?

[Surfn]

Originally posted by Opti
One of the more popular categories with surfers too... :\

I havent taken down it down yet btw.. just thinking about his stuff still.

Watersports is probably right on the borderline.. I see it a bit like fisting.. it's probably fine in most places.. and should be legal for those that like it in all places... But for the average porn surfer, is it over the line in terms of being offensive or degrading if they are not really expecting it from a SERP link into a category page for example?

If it were me I would be concerned with the same thing for the opposite reason. I would be missing all the gold from the curious. I do understand where your coming from.

Good Luck.

[Jaden]

Thanks for the quick reply....Think I got it now.

I just think that sometimes even though I am female, MY interpretation of what degrading would be is a bit different than that of an average surfer.

I personally think and hope you keep the word "slut". But then again I am talking as someone who has a couple domains that include that particular word. Well, that and I've always found that one pretty mild and not really offensive.

Anyway, I do appreciate the answer and can definitely see the benefits of what you are trying to do.

[eman]

Originally posted by Opti

Reason for rules changes is that I am working toward having a more general audience database with descriptions that are hopefully not offensive to read for any type of porn surfer.... man, woman, gay, straight or anyone else.

I don't care about how webmasters describe the content on their submitted sites (in most cases anyway) but I am trying to avoid calling models "Bitches, Whores, Worthless" or anything similar on my site... I am even tossing up the idea of losing "Slut" too.

I am starting to think we might go the way of Greenguy and write our own descriptions and avoid the problem all together.. either way I will have to re-write all the old sites descriptions :\


Opti

It strikes me that however much you dress up a site with your own description, once the surfer sees what's on offer they can still be offended. If you want to avoid the problem altogether, don't list the site.

I applaud your stance, but don't shoot yourself in the foot!

[clsunli]

Hi,
I have noticed the rules and wondered the same thing. I like to think that using slut, bitch & whore would be okay. IMHO, of course. I am a female too - and i think it would be a little hard to get guys all excited calling using the more tame terms when describing that pecker up her butt...
Coming off as a phonesex girl.. I couldn't imagine NOT being degrading to myself. lol It sells me.
To each his/her own though..its your site and i would respect your rules and even trying to be a bit..tadbit tame so i can get listings to sites who may just pick up on the trend.

[Opti]

Thanks e-man... but no applause needed as the idea isnt to be "good" to anyone but me really.. thinking behind it is to make more money by marketing to a different traffic source (dont really want to spell out more in public though)


Hi clsunli... thanks for the encouragement too I doubt I will be starting any trends though! (unless COPA is passed possibly)

I am not concerned about the webmaster's actual site content or the terms used to sell on it, just the text in the links from ************** that go to each site... It sounds like the rules page wording may be coming across as a bit judgemental of site content.. it's not meant to be at all... I better review it, securityman has been adding bits n pieces as we go... its getting so bloody long now it nees to be re-oganised a bit better anyway I guess.

The more I think about this the more I think I am better to leave things as they have been historically.. and simply start writing my own alternative descriptions for every site.

[Opti]

I set-up a poll to ask the surfers what they think btw..

http://www.**************.com/polls/index.php?dispid=17



not really enough votes to take too much from it... but 70% of people that have responded so far Do Want a limit to the extent of hardcore content.

[clsunli]

ahh, okay, i see what you mean now
hey it's your site.and you send great traffic. do what YOU want. otherwise, they will have to seek elsewhere..and start paying for their traffic...

so if they dont want to pay, they will have to play nice. alot of sites have their own more strict rules. i changed my whole way of thinking when doing free sites.

if it wasnt for the majority having strict rules. then no one would make any money.

since i have changed my way's and finally realized what a FREE SITE was, i have never gotten so "link accepted" emails OR traffic, without a purchase of traffic.

I used to give away the farm along with the livestock..now they get a freshly painted barn door. i just had to say that though, cuz after 3 years of building and tinkering with psychic, phonesex & porn.. i finally realized 10 days ago JUST what a free site was and how to make 1 a day. lol

so i say..do what u wanna do..cuz its UR thing!
and i am happy with the traffic from all u strict guys/dolls!


PS - I personally wish people ..ALL people would take on more strict content rules and who their links go to...and who THEIR links go to. I seen some shit last nite that made my stomach fuckin churn. and i couldnt find info..to report it.(mostly toplist traffic) I am talkin bout ch*ldp*rn . if everyone would do that them fuckers wouldnt get none of that shit out there! i would sooner skip thru a pic of some gal i seen a thousand times. (sponsor content) than be subjected to that crap.

[xfalmp]

Originally posted by clsunli
PS - I personally wish people ..ALL people would take on more strict content rules and who their links go to...and who THEIR links go to. I seen some shit last nite that made my stomach fuckin churn. and i couldnt find info..to report it.(mostly toplist traffic) I am talkin bout ch*ldp*rn . if everyone would do that them fuckers wouldnt get none of that shit out there! i would sooner skip thru a pic of some gal i seen a thousand times. (sponsor content) than be subjected to that crap.

You can report them here:

http://www.asacp.org/

[Mishi]

I'm only going to dip my toe in this pool, 'cause this is something I've been thinking about for a while now...

My "gateway" to the adult world was a mainstream site I built with my former room mate. We were sick and tired of sex being treated as something bad and nasty and evil. We embraced free speech without limits. That included embracing porn as an opportunity for sexually liberated women to express their sexuality.

Sites like watchhergaglikethebitchwhoresheis.com don't exactly further that agenda. Personally, I hate sites that portray women as victims, worthless cum recepticles, etc. HATE them.

On the other hand, I embraced the word "slut" a long time ago - to me, a slut is a chickie who loves sex, and I see nothing wrong with that. I can't control how other people view the word (wish I could, but I'm not that powerfull...yet...bwahahahaha!)...

Site featuring submissive women are a whole different story...as long as they portray a reasonable understanding of the submissive lifestyle.

"Degradation" in the context of BDSM is, to me, very different from degradation in the context of a rough, common view of women as inferior beings.

I feel I'm not expressing this very well, but I felt compelled to say something.

[ChristyB]

I agree with opti - I do have some reservations though - fisting for example may seem extreme to many men but to a "real lesbian" it's normal activity...

I am considering the possibility of expanding categories to include a "xxx" section for each - to seperate the "stronger stuff" for those who want it but I have added rules to remove the use of "slut/whore/bitch" from site titles and descriptions for the same reasons as opti is getting at...

In a way it's a response to the mass of free sites now being built and submitted by non-English (mostly eastern European) webmasters who seem to think that degrading women is a turn on for red-blooded males - lol - I just think they're sad little wankers who need to learn English and meet women who can fuck them back

The problem for me is connected to attracting surfers to visit sites; I have no problem with the words slut, bitch, whore etc when they're used in a sexy way, blatant obscenities can be a real turn on during sex imo (especially when used in the first person - as clsunli says) but as a link list owner I get bombarded by sites entitled "old slut posing", "wrinkly old bitch gets naked", "amateur skank" etc etc - lol - I find myself wondering why anybody would want to look at a site entitled "amateur skank" - as I said in another thread - the idea of setting up a used car business called "rusty old pieces of shit" seems like a dead cert way to kill a business!

[grzepa]

Originally posted by ChristyB
the idea of setting up a used car business called "rusty old pieces of shit"

LOL Great one DDDD

[Useless]

If all link lists banned the terms Slut and Whore from titles and descriptions, I'd be screwed. Those are my two favorite descriptors. But, then again, I don't see them as being necessarily derogatory. When out with my wife's co-workers, I refer to her as 'my little whore'. It's a term of endearment really. Everyone laughs. She turns red. Then we come and she fucks me silly.

Is there a socially acceptable way to describe hardcore porn? I fear the day when we are forced to use polically correct terminology in our descriptions.

[Opti]

You made sense to me Mishi ;-)

Ok so it seems pretty universally agreed that banning desciptive words like bitch and whore is not the way to go..


The real objective is to not to present sex as degading rather than censor.. and Christy has hit the main issue on the head..

"webmasters who seem to think that degrading women is a turn on for red-blooded males - lol - I just think they're sad little wankers who need to learn English and meet women who can fuck them back"

and

"I get bombarded by sites entitled "old slut posing"

Someone pointed out that submisive fantasy and BDSM content can portray extreme situations with degradation as part of the fantasy... but that is not the problem as those webmasters dont submit site with titles like "drunk mature abused by savage boys"


I think lots of other people are leaning toward only taking paid partner submissions to combat this sort of problem judging from this thread...

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=8864