Internet Explorer SP2 blocks JavaScript?!

metalkid · 2004-09-16, 04:17 AM

Anyone recognized that the updated IE in SP2 blocks all JavaScript with document.write by default?? Not even a fuckin' date script works...the surfer must abolish the block...
Anyone got experiences with that problem or any suggestions?
More and more XP users are updating these days...I don't want to change the dates in my fake tgp every day

urb · 2004-09-16, 05:14 AM

I was thinking of removing a load of javascript from one site mainly because IE on XP SP2 is throwing up "Warnings" about it.

If you are worried about not being able to use javascript generated dates, then PHP can do all that for you and more using the date string.

PHP Code:


			
<?php

echo date("l dS of F Y h:i:s A");

?>

Or you could use Server Side Includes to do it.

metalkid · 2004-09-16, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by urb
I was thinking of removing a load of javascript from one site mainly because IE on XP SP2 is throwing up "Warnings" about it.

If you are worried about not being able to use javascript generated dates, then PHP can do all that for you and more using the date string.

PHP Code:

<?php echo date("l dS of F Y h:i:s A"); ?>

Or you could use Server Side Includes to do it.

thanks I'll try that...but I've also some feeders on freehosts and there I think I'll change the date to something like 'Today's galleries'....

Greenguy · 2004-09-16, 08:01 AM

I did the SP2 update a couple weeks ago & I can see Java as usual - I don't remember updating anything special this time, but I do remember having to go to java.com to get an update when I 1st set this system up.

metalkid · 2004-09-16, 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
I did the SP2 update a couple weeks ago & I can see Java as usual - I don't remember updating anything special this time, but I do remember having to go to java.com to get an update when I 1st set this system up.

sorry greenguy..but I mean JavaScript not JavaVM...

neticule · 2004-09-16, 08:27 AM

I hope this doesnt effect javascript in dreamweaver! although i would imagine it does. I made a nice design with dropdown boxes and im pretty sure it uses javascript and dhtml, i hope they still will work for people with sp2!

Im still on ol' win98 but it works better then the others for me personally.

Greenguy · 2004-09-16, 09:19 AM

Call me a noob, but I don't know the differance between the 2

I have 2 java things on here:
http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm
The ARS HSN Banner & the time stamp - both on the bottom - and they work fine for me

Cleo · 2004-09-16, 09:27 AM

JAVA is a programming language. You can do just about anything using JAVA including some really bad things. The computer company Sun Micro Systems came up with it. You need to have its virtual engine installed in order to run it.

JavaScript is a scripting language. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Netscape people came up with it and it was originally called EasySpeak.

ActiveX which is Windows only is the bad one that needs to just go away.

MadMax · 2004-09-16, 10:38 AM

This thing with SP2 and j/s threw me for a real loop about a week ago. What it looks like to me is this: SP2 will automatically block j/s on your local machine, i.e. when you hit F12 for 'preview' in dreamweaver. However it does NOT seem to automatically block j/s on web pages. And the distinction between JAVA and javascript (as cleo mentioned) is important.

Take that for what it's worth...I spent a couple hours sweating site revisions, then it was pointed out to me that the blocker was local only and that seems to be the case with my experience so far.

Useless · 2004-09-16, 10:48 AM

When I first loaded SP2 on a few days ago, that built-in MS firewall didn't want to to be disabled. Each time I'd reboot, it would enable itself. Plus, SP2 didn't like the fact that IE was not my default browser. Now, everything seems to be settled in and peachy.

Fonz · 2004-09-16, 10:49 AM

My entire banner rotating thing is JS based so I hope that SP2 doesn't fuck that up for the surfers...

urb · 2004-09-16, 11:55 AM

IE6 XP SP2 doesn't like "document.write" as metalkid said...

The problem is that "document.write" is one of the most common JavaScript commands.

RawAlex · 2004-09-16, 01:08 PM

It is because the "document.write" thing is the easiest way to put in a pop-up that a popup blocker won't block. it is also an easy way to put basically what would be "obscured" commands that could change the nature of the page.

That is how many spam pages attempt to hide their destinations, as well as hiding any malware they might be trying to download.

I hate it for the honest people who are suffering as a result, but I think it a good deal for the most part.

Bravo to Microsoft for finally appearing to get at least a little more serious about blocking the major ass holes in their systems.

Alex

Opti · 2004-09-16, 02:26 PM

Bravo to MS my ass.. SP2 default settings play havoc with lots of traditional coding techniques... I'm not surprised MS argued against setting some of these options as on by default so hard.

there is a great Check list here showing exactly what SP2 effects and how MS suggest "fixing" the issue on your website.

Fine-Tune Your Web Site for Windows XP Service Pack 2

Applies to:
Microsoft Active X controls
Microsoft Internet Explorer
Microsoft Outlook Express
Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2)

Summary: Make your Web site work well with the new security features in Windows XP SP2 that affect ActiveX controls, file downloads, pop-up windows, and more. (7 printed pages)

Topics include:
Does Your Web Site Use Microsoft ActiveX Controls?
Does Your Web Site Allow Users to Download Files?
Does Your Web Site Use Pop-up Windows?
Does Your Web Site Depend on the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine (MSJVM)?
Browser Window Restrictions
General Tips

metalkid · 2004-09-16, 05:34 PM

@Opti

Thanks for the link...that gives me some clarity...

But the whole thing sucks a lot...I have to change some old sites now... |pissed|

DangerDave · 2004-09-16, 06:02 PM

Having just setup my fathers new PC with XP... I got a first hand look at what SP2 does.. and it's scary...

As default it blocked, cookies, referrers, pop-ups, new windows, etc etc....

It made surfing just about any site, that wasnt plain html, very hard..

It's time to write some instructions for those newbie surfers..

DD

RawAlex · 2004-09-16, 06:13 PM

opti, I read through the list, and I didn't see anything too scary in there. popups still work as "new windows" (user clicks a link). active-x is "prompt" with a new yellow prompt bar at the top of the window.

new windows now default to include address bar and such.

What is the biggest issue, because I am not seeing it as this point?

Alex

urb · 2004-09-17, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DangerDave

As default it blocked, cookies....

That's a real problem, especially for CCBill affiliates.

Remind me, wasn't it the Microsoft Corporation who invented ActiveX in the first place?

Tommy · 2004-09-17, 10:13 AM

this explains everything

I was just reading this and came to the board seen you guys talking about it and.....

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1647029,00.asp

bret · 2004-09-17, 07:05 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by urb
That's a real problem, especially for CCBill affiliates.

Remind me, wasn't it the Microsoft Corporation who invented ActiveX in the first place?

Yes, Microsoft created Active X. but what does that have to do with cookies?

GeorgeTH · 2004-09-19, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Fonz
My entire banner rotating thing is JS based so I hope that SP2 doesn't fuck that up for the surfers...

YES - it does!
My site advertising is completely banner/ad text rotation - - - and stuffed!
PLUS: I use the excellent overlib.js to display title, file- and update information for each and every of my pages I link to - now nobody can read anymore what's happening...

|acid BILL GATES + Microidiots!

metalkid · 2004-09-19, 06:02 AM

I just noticed that the remotely hosted tradescript xclicks will also be blocked...cause it uses the document.write...DAMN!...

Anyone knows if ClickZs uses javascript with document.write?
I need a remotly hosted script cause I have some sites on freehosts....

urb · 2004-09-19, 07:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by bret
Yes, Microsoft created Active X. but what does that have to do with cookies?

I was just making the observation (separately) that Microsoft have released an update to protect people from the very software that Microsoft invented in the first place.

2004-09-16, 04:17 AM	#1
metalkid Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 14	Internet Explorer SP2 blocks JavaScript?! Anyone recognized that the updated IE in SP2 blocks all JavaScript with document.write by default?? Not even a fuckin' date script works...the surfer must abolish the block... Anyone got experiences with that problem or any suggestions? More and more XP users are updating these days...I don't want to change the dates in my fake tgp every day

2004-09-16, 05:14 AM	#2
urb All the way from Room 101 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,557	I was thinking of removing a load of javascript from one site mainly because IE on XP SP2 is throwing up "Warnings" about it. If you are worried about not being able to use javascript generated dates, then PHP can do all that for you and more using the date string. PHP Code: `<?php echo date("l dS of F Y h:i:s A"); ?>` Or you could use Server Side Includes to do it. <!--#echo var="DATE_LOCAL" --> __________________

2004-09-16, 08:01 AM	#4
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I did the SP2 update a couple weeks ago & I can see Java as usual - I don't remember updating anything special this time, but I do remember having to go to java.com to get an update when I 1st set this system up. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-09-16, 08:27 AM	#6
neticule A boy without mischief is like a bowling ball without a liquid center Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 437	blah I hope this doesnt effect javascript in dreamweaver! although i would imagine it does. I made a nice design with dropdown boxes and im pretty sure it uses javascript and dhtml, i hope they still will work for people with sp2! Im still on ol' win98 but it works better then the others for me personally. __________________ Mom, I'm done! Come wipe!

2004-09-16, 09:19 AM	#7
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Call me a noob, but I don't know the differance between the 2 I have 2 java things on here: http://www.link-o-rama.com/greenguy/mlinks.htm The ARS HSN Banner & the time stamp - both on the bottom - and they work fine for me __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-09-16, 09:27 AM	#8
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	JAVA is a programming language. You can do just about anything using JAVA including some really bad things. The computer company Sun Micro Systems came up with it. You need to have its virtual engine installed in order to run it. JavaScript is a scripting language. Someone correct me if I'm wrong but I think the Netscape people came up with it and it was originally called EasySpeak. ActiveX which is Windows only is the bad one that needs to just go away. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-09-16, 10:38 AM	#9
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	This thing with SP2 and j/s threw me for a real loop about a week ago. What it looks like to me is this: SP2 will automatically block j/s on your local machine, i.e. when you hit F12 for 'preview' in dreamweaver. However it does NOT seem to automatically block j/s on web pages. And the distinction between JAVA and javascript (as cleo mentioned) is important. Take that for what it's worth...I spent a couple hours sweating site revisions, then it was pointed out to me that the blocker was local only and that seems to be the case with my experience so far.

2004-09-16, 10:48 AM	#10
Useless Certified Nice Person Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Dirty Undies, NY Posts: 11,268	When I first loaded SP2 on a few days ago, that built-in MS firewall didn't want to to be disabled. Each time I'd reboot, it would enable itself. Plus, SP2 didn't like the fact that IE was not my default browser. Now, everything seems to be settled in and peachy. __________________ Click here to purchase a bridge I'm selling.

2004-09-16, 10:49 AM	#11
Fonz Former pr0n slinger. Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 7,932	My entire banner rotating thing is JS based so I hope that SP2 doesn't fuck that up for the surfers... __________________ See how I abuse little trees on my Shumi no Bonsai Blog

2004-09-16, 11:55 AM	#12
urb All the way from Room 101 Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 3,557	IE6 XP SP2 doesn't like "document.write" as metalkid said... The problem is that "document.write" is one of the most common JavaScript commands. __________________ Last edited by urb; 2004-09-16 at 12:19 PM..

2004-09-16, 01:08 PM	#13
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	It is because the "document.write" thing is the easiest way to put in a pop-up that a popup blocker won't block. it is also an easy way to put basically what would be "obscured" commands that could change the nature of the page. That is how many spam pages attempt to hide their destinations, as well as hiding any malware they might be trying to download. I hate it for the honest people who are suffering as a result, but I think it a good deal for the most part. Bravo to Microsoft for finally appearing to get at least a little more serious about blocking the major ass holes in their systems. Alex

2004-09-16, 02:26 PM	#14
Opti I Didn't Do It Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: au Posts: 795	Bravo to MS my ass.. SP2 default settings play havoc with lots of traditional coding techniques... I'm not surprised MS argued against setting some of these options as on by default so hard. there is a great Check list here showing exactly what SP2 effects and how MS suggest "fixing" the issue on your website. Fine-Tune Your Web Site for Windows XP Service Pack 2 Applies to: Microsoft Active X controls Microsoft Internet Explorer Microsoft Outlook Express Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2 (SP2) Summary: Make your Web site work well with the new security features in Windows XP SP2 that affect ActiveX controls, file downloads, pop-up windows, and more. (7 printed pages) Topics include: Does Your Web Site Use Microsoft ActiveX Controls? Does Your Web Site Allow Users to Download Files? Does Your Web Site Use Pop-up Windows? Does Your Web Site Depend on the Microsoft Java Virtual Machine (MSJVM)? Browser Window Restrictions General Tips

2004-09-16, 05:34 PM	#15
metalkid Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 14	@Opti Thanks for the link...that gives me some clarity... But the whole thing sucks a lot...I have to change some old sites now... \|pissed\|

2004-09-16, 06:02 PM	#16
DangerDave Bonged Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BrisVegas, AUSTRALIA Posts: 4,882	Having just setup my fathers new PC with XP... I got a first hand look at what SP2 does.. and it's scary... As default it blocked, cookies, referrers, pop-ups, new windows, etc etc.... It made surfing just about any site, that wasnt plain html, very hard.. It's time to write some instructions for those newbie surfers.. DD __________________ Old Dollars >>>> Now with over 90 Hosted Free Sites <<<< DangerDave.com.au - Adult Links to Free Porn

2004-09-16, 06:13 PM	#17
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	opti, I read through the list, and I didn't see anything too scary in there. popups still work as "new windows" (user clicks a link). active-x is "prompt" with a new yellow prompt bar at the top of the window. new windows now default to include address bar and such. What is the biggest issue, because I am not seeing it as this point? Alex

2004-09-17, 10:13 AM	#19
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	this explains everything I was just reading this and came to the board seen you guys talking about it and..... http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,1759,1647029,00.asp __________________ Accepting New partners

2004-09-19, 06:02 AM	#22
metalkid Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germany Posts: 14	I just noticed that the remotely hosted tradescript xclicks will also be blocked...cause it uses the document.write...DAMN!... Anyone knows if ClickZs uses javascript with document.write? I need a remotly hosted script cause I have some sites on freehosts....