Affiliate Programs & Check Cutting/Processing Fees

[Mayor_PC]

Originally Posted by Greenie

Tell me this: will you still send a US based independent contractor a 1099 if they get paid via an offshore ePassport account?

Yes of course, it doesn't matter where I pay you from, I am paying you from an US company and are therefore obligated to send you a 1099 For your information as a US citizen you are required BY LAW to report ALL income even offshore payments.

[Mayor_PC]

Originally Posted by Tommy

anyone pay your bills with online checking

thats completly free and you dont even have to pay for a stamp

I was a little disapointed with Mayors Money
i just spent some time premoting them
if I would have known that I wouldnt have bothered

If you can find me a way to electronically pay people by check through a bank (even with a fee) I'll be happy to use it and withdraw my fees.

Problems with paper checks include the following:
Lost checks
Stolen checks
Late checks
Human error
Washed then rewritten for tens of thousands more.

It's not the money. We pay about the same for our check writing service as we do with epassporte. It's just that checks are inherantly more problems.

[Greenguy]

WOW! I'm just as shocked at MrYum.

I'm pulling my links - there's no need to publicly post someone's private information like that (which I have edited out)

[Mayor_PC]

Originally Posted by Greenie

WOW! I'm just as shocked at MrYum.

I'm pulling my links - there's no need to publicly post someone's private information like that (which I have edited out)

I don't think that fair, he made an accusation that he was doing poorly and I called him on the lie. Is this the kind of board that allows lies to go unchallenged? His stats showed nothing of a personal nature, not URL's no names, no domain, nothing other than the fact his traffic stayed the same and his ratios got BETTER. The opposite of what he claimed.

[Greenguy]

You could have posted his ratios without the actual dollar amounts.

[Jim]

Mayor
Getting back on track and not mentioning the "posting of personal information" thing, some people have real problems using epassporte. Just because you want to work with them doesn't mean everyone else does. Why would you punish these people with a $5/check penalty?

[Mayor_PC]

Originally Posted by Jim

Mayor
Getting back on track and not mentioning the "posting of personal information" thing, some people have real problems using epassporte. Just because you want to work with them doesn't mean everyone else does. Why would you punish these people with a $5/check penalty?

It's not punishment, it's a fee and it's a choice. If someone has real issues with it, they can talk to me. We're working on ACH push as well but that's going to take some time.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

?!? That's absurd but I'll happily re-post minus the dollar amount but the amount of traffic divided by the ratio multiplied by our average payout will give that anyway..

Like I said, if would have been ok if you posted ONLY the ratios & not the dollar amounts & total clicks. That information is no one business but yours & his.

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

...You can see the pride we take in that when you go to Mayor's Money and brag that YOU even found we convert better than any other program..

I've been meaning to suggest to Wizzo for the last 8 months that you guys might want to pull down the November 2005 stats totals.

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

...I am sure you would too judging by the comment about pulling our links. Sad that you'd take the side of a newb liar over someone you've been doing business with since 1997.

I'm not taking the side of a "newb liar". I'm taking the side of a friend & a valued member of this board that's been working in this business since 2000.

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Like I said in my 1st post, I was thinking that the $2 fee that most places charge was a little high & I was going to start a thread on the topic sometime this week when I had some free time. But the email about the $5 fee I got this morning made me think that I should start the thread today. It was not meant as a personal attack on your company, just the straw that broke the camel's back.

I do plan to call out some other sponsors on their fees when I get a chance, because I have a really hard time believing that it costs a company $2/check (let alone $5)

[Mayor_PC]

?!? That's absurd but I'll happily re-post minus the dollar amount but the amount of traffic divided by the ratio multiplied by our average payout will give that anyway. Not posting his traffic would lead a person to believe that perhaps I was not giving the whole picture or his traffic was way down the last 3 months when it was STABLE. Either way, I am not going to post his numbers. Fact is he lied and I'll leave it at that.

His comments were a blatant lie and I wanted to defend my company. We work our asses off to make sure we have the best converting sites around period. You can see the pride we take in that when you go to Mayor's Money and brag that YOU even found we convert better than any other program.


I took it personally. I always do, because I pour everything into this company to make it what it is and when someone whom I've gone out of my way to take care of takes a cheap shot I get angry. I am sure you would too judging by the comment about pulling our links. Sad that you'd take the side of a newb liar over someone you've been doing business with since 1997.

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

?!? That's absurd but I'll happily re-post minus the dollar amount but the amount of traffic divided by the ratio multiplied by our average payout will give that anyway.

Posting someones traffic total & their conv. ratio is the same as posting how much money they make.


Just the ratios would have been sufficient to prove Mr. Yum was lying. But I can't tell if he was because GreenGuy edited the post and didn't leave just the ratios.

So there is no way for me to know.

So what was his ratio during these recent months?

Was it bad or good?

[Mayor_PC]

Funny Mr Yum, it's OK for you to say my program wasn't converting well for you in recent months but when I defend myself and proove you're lying about that I am suddenly I am the asshole? =

[[BV]]

FYI:
CCBill charges .39 cents
Paycom/Epoch charges $2.00

[emmanuelle]

duh- how did I block that line out?

$200 to stuff envelopes for a day- sounds like one of those jobs offered in the back of tabloids

[Mayor_PC]

Had a lengthy chat with Mr Yum, something that we both could have benefited from prior to posting.

Fact is, we both made some mistakes. I agree, that posting his $$ was out of line and frankly out of character for me. I feel a little backed into a corner on this $5 check thing and reading his post really set me off. In his defense, he's no liar, he had some terrible months back in July/Aug last year. But in my defense, the last several months have been MUCH better.

I can discuss the merits and downsides of checks endlessly but lets face it, I'm not locking any one's money up. I am providing options and listening to suggestions. So far everyone seems caught up in the amount, not the principle.

How else do you get people off checks? They are not a good way to deliver funds. They are constantly lost or stolen, washed and illegally re-deposited for tens of thousands, misplaced, etc. . . . With epass (even though it initially costs more for me to send) it saves a lot of problems in the back end.

That is why I offered (at my cost) to create an epass account for ANYONE who needs one.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

How else do you get people off checks?

Direct transfer to their bank account? Which is exactly what I'd have to do to get my money from ePass.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

...How else do you get people off checks? They are not a good way to deliver funds. They are constantly lost or stolen, washed and illegally re-deposited for tens of thousands, misplaced, etc. . . . With epass (even though it initially costs more for me to send) it saves a lot of problems in the back end...

So why pass those fees along to someone like me, who's in 10 years of business has only had to get one check replaced? (for those of you that care, I shredded it by mistake )

Why not cut checks for a reasonable fee ($1) and then charge $5 or $10 for replacement checks?

[Toby]

Originally Posted by Greenie

...then charge $5 or $10 for replacement checks?

OR... why even bother issuing a replacement check at all.

I had a Google AdSense check that got lost in the mail. When I notified them, they put stop payment on the check and credited the amount back to my account. It got included with payout at the end of the next pay period.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Toby

OR... why even bother issuing a replacement check at all.

I had a Google AdSense check that got lost in the mail. When I notified them, they put stop payment on the check and credited the amount back to my account. It got included with payout at the end of the next pay period.

Yup - that'd work as well. Of course, there might be a fee for putting the stop payment on the check, but I'm sure the webmaster would not mind having that fee taken out.

[mr.sexbankroll]

Not to toot my own horn, but i can't resist.

Sexbankroll doesn't charge a check processing fee!



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[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

Had a lengthy chat with Mr Yum, something that we both could have benefited from prior to posting.

Fact is, we both made some mistakes. I agree, that posting his $$ was out of line and frankly out of character for me. I feel a little backed into a corner on this $5 check thing and reading his post really set me off. In his defense, he's no liar, he had some terrible months back in July/Aug last year. But in my defense, the last several months have been MUCH better.

I can discuss the merits and downsides of checks endlessly but lets face it, I'm not locking any one's money up. I am providing options and listening to suggestions. So far everyone seems caught up in the amount, not the principle.

How else do you get people off checks? They are not a good way to deliver funds. They are constantly lost or stolen, washed and illegally re-deposited for tens of thousands, misplaced, etc. . . . With epass (even though it initially costs more for me to send) it saves a lot of problems in the back end.

That is why I offered (at my cost) to create an epass account for ANYONE who needs one.

Glad we had that chat Mayor.

For any part I played in jacking this thread from its intent, my apologies. We all know numbers fluctuate with programs and some affiliates do better than others...it's the nature of this business. I really didn't mean for my post to denigrate the program or kick in Mayors program protection mode.

As to the checks issue, I still think $5 is exhorbidant...that's my perception. I understand your goal is to get people off checks, but the reality is a lot of folks still prefer checks...myself included. For one thing, it makes revenue tracking on my end easier.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by mr.sexbankroll

...Sexbankroll doesn't charge a check processing fee!

You know, it might be because the revshare checks are always odd numbers, but most of the PPS sponsors eat all the fees, because the checks are usually nice round numbers where you can tell exactly how many signups you got in that period.

[[BV]]

Stop Payment fees are way more than $10.00, (maybe 3x that) and even if the sponsor issues another check or adds it to your next check, he still has to stop payment on the original, otherwise it could show up later and get cashed and he would get fucked.

[Mayor_PC]

I never charge for stolen/damaged replacement checks. Only lost/misplaced. It's not about the money, it's about the cost in time and recources.

All this has brought a new option forward. Don't know if it should have it's own thread. I'll leave that to the board owners to decide.

I am adding a second check option called "big check" so you can still get a check for free. Just select big check and set your min payout to 500 or 1000. If you insist on getting smaller checks, you'll have to pay the $5. Or you can get it via epass for free.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Mayor_PC

...I am adding a second check option called "big check" so you can still get a check for free. Just select big check and set your min payout to 500 or 1000. If you insist on getting smaller checks, you'll have to pay the $5. Or you can get it via epass for free.

I'd love to know what % of all your affiliates makes over $500 a pay period. And, anyone that does can probably afford the $5.

It's the Joe Blow Webmasters of the world that get a sale or 2 each week that'll end up getting $5 taken out of their $100 checks.

If you can honestly sit there & tell everyone that it costs you $5 to cut a check, then I think you really need to audit your payroll department.

[[BV]]

Originally Posted by Greenie

I'd love to know what % of all your affiliates makes over $500 a pay period. And, anyone that does can probably afford the $5.

It's the Joe Blow Webmasters of the world that get a sale or 2 each week that'll end up getting $5 taken out of their $100 checks.

If you can honestly sit there & tell everyone that it costs you $5 to cut a check, then I think you really need to audit your payroll department.

Don't hate on me for pointing this out please, but I believe he already explained why he is charging the $5 fee, and his explanation had nothing to do with the actual cost of cutting the check.

His reasons were to make his check payment option less attractive and his Epass option more attractive in order to cut down on the amount of checks he writes, thus cutting down on the amount of fraud issues related to checks that he claims is an issue for his program.

At least that's what I comprehended.