Question For The Guys: Why facials?

[Ms Naughty]

Wow Stu... I think your story of the young women is rather disturbing. It's that kind of anecdotal evidence that gets feminists up in arms about porn... it's like the guys are copying what they see in porn and the girls are just going along with it.

I am personally uncomfortable with the whole rough sex thing - especially as it seems to always be the guy beating up the girl, there's never a level playing field. BDSM and power play I love, it's structured, it's sexy, but rough sex... I don't get it. And once again, I would think that that kind of sex would be a minority kind of fetish, but porn has pushed it into the mainstream.

All my personal opinion of course. I know there are women who enjoy it and if its safe sane and consensual, fine.

[Bill]

Well, my idea of rough sex is pretty vanilla - just physical strength and taking control and fucking hard and a little mean. Not asking, doing, taking the hard work of sex, deciding what to do, out of her hands.

Not hitting or whipping or such - slapping the ass and thighs is about as far as I like to go.

Spanking, but not to the point of crying or anything other than a red ass and a bit of tenderness.

Hand on throat, but without squeezing or breathplay.

Hair pulling and control, but not the the point of pulling hair out or real pain. If you grab right, you have a lot of control, but it feels nice for her.

Real bdsm people would consider me a wimp, as would any real sub, ha ha ha.

[Ms Naughty]

Well there you go Bill, I wouldn't have really thought of that as rough sex so perhaps I'm on a different page. My vision of it involves all the spitting, slapping, choking, verbal abuse, nasty stuff.

I guess it's just a matter of degree, in a way. Power play with the volume turned up to 11. Again, OK if it's consensual, not so good if it's just to please your partner or if you're not into it.

Tristan Taormino is bringing out an expert guide to rough sex which will be interesting to watch because it will be a female friendly movie.

[Simon]

I know this isn't really the board for discussions of non-consensual sex, but as someone who 'discovered' my interest in what people call rough and/or bdsm-style sex very early, I can tell you that for many men and women in the Lifestyle there is a shared belief best expressed by the phrase "consent is over-rated."

It's closely related to the concept that bondage doesn't really begin until you no longer wish to be bound. Because until then you're only bound. It's only when you want to be released, and aren't, that bondage actually begins.

For some, the idea of 'negotiating' in advance to be sure that nothing will happen to which they haven't already agreed, or the concept of using a 'safe word' to give them a measure of control is so very far from how they live their lives.

Note: I'm not talking about going around forcing people you don't know to do whatever you want them to. As much fun as that is, it's not really legal to do. However, there are people who live by the belief that "consent is given once," and that it's given to a person, not to some subset of activities.

Just wanted to offer a little measure of alternative viewpoint to the discussion of consent.


Note to Bill: That doesn't sound like a wimp to me. It sounds like you know what you like to do and you make sure that you do what you like. Wimps are those who, even if they know what they'd like to do, rarely manage to make things happen they way they 'wish' they would. They don't understand that first is the will, and all else follows.


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"Real Life is Unsafe, Insane, and Non-Consensual." -- The Book of Simon

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Simon

For some, the idea of 'negotiating' in advance to be sure that nothing will happen to which they haven't already agreed, or the concept of using a 'safe word' to give them a measure of control is so very far from how they live their lives.

Even in non-BDSM sex, I think people learn a lot about what drives them sexually, and what gives them pleasure, by going beyond what they believe to be their (and their partner's) comfort zone. I'm sure that most women wouldn't have even tried anal sex if their partner hadn't initiated it by doing what Patrice Oneil calls, "assholey things." Licking, fingering, etc. Some women end up begging for a cock in their ass while others threaten to cut your cock off with a rusty lawnmower blade if you go any further. There are women who enjoy being blindfolded, slapped and insulted during sex, yet they didn't know that they'd enjoy it until some guy slapped them, called them a slut and jizzed on their face, probably without asking. Humiliation and degradation can be powerfully erotic for certain people.

Also, if you derive any level of satisfaction or arousal from pleasuring your partner, you tend to do things that don't inherently please you. Oral sex doesn't physically stimulate the giver, but many people enjoy performing oral sex because they know that they are pleasuring the hell out of the receiver, assuming they know what they're doing.

I doubt any woman enjoys taking a facial cumshot for the pure enjoyment of needing to run to the bathroom and wash the cum out of their eyes before they start stinging. They do it because they want to pleasure their partner in whatever twisted manner which is most effective.

Whatever you do during sex only works if both partners walk/limp away without being hurt or pissed off. Of course, I also believe that we tend to have far too much puritanical guilt and regret over our perversions and deviations. But that's a whole other rant.

[LD]

Originally Posted by Simon

I know this isn't really the board for discussions of non-consensual sex, but as someone who 'discovered' my interest in what people call rough and/or bdsm-style sex very early, I can tell you that for many men and women in the Lifestyle there is a shared belief best expressed by the phrase "consent is over-rated."

It's closely related to the concept that bondage doesn't really begin until you no longer wish to be bound. Because until then you're only bound. It's only when you want to be released, and aren't, that bondage actually begins.

For some, the idea of 'negotiating' in advance to be sure that nothing will happen to which they haven't already agreed, or the concept of using a 'safe word' to give them a measure of control is so very far from how they live their lives.

Note: I'm not talking about going around forcing people you don't know to do whatever you want them to. As much fun as that is, it's not really legal to do. However, there are people who live by the belief that "consent is given once," and that it's given to a person, not to some subset of activities.

Just wanted to offer a little measure of alternative viewpoint to the discussion of consent.


Note to Bill: That doesn't sound like a wimp to me. It sounds like you know what you like to do and you make sure that you do what you like. Wimps are those who, even if they know what they'd like to do, rarely manage to make things happen they way they 'wish' they would. They don't understand that first is the will, and all else follows.


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"Real Life is Unsafe, Insane, and Non-Consensual." -- The Book of Simon

Very interesting post there...it sounds a little like "consent to not consent" or something like that. Voluntarily being involuntary.

[Star Man]

I love facial cumshots because girls have pretty faces and the last thing that should be on their faces is sperm from a mans penis.It's just so inappropriate and wrong looking that it turns me on.And it really gives me a hard on when they get totally nailed with cum and just act real natural about it like it's normal for cum to be on their faces.

My x girlfriend cut me off from giving her facials after she saw my collection of porn that was mostly anabolic/gonzo type stuff and thought that I was getting way to much pleasure from them and she was right! It's a total fucking power trip! I just waited till she fell asleep and then I would 'Peter North' the hell out of her!

[stuveltje]

stu<---- is going to ask again her girlfriends, because she thinks the powerplay thing and please your man ( even you dont like it for real) is different with a long realation ship or just a one night stand.
in a power play thing you can make rules (like prostitutes do) but there is still a trust thing, i think in a long (sex) realationship you know eachother so well that you hardly have to make rules about how far you go, i think the powerlplay and pleasure your guy thing has to do with, long realtionships and age. (stu<-- knows about the hoker thing because her grandma was one that time.........dont fucking ask)

[stuveltje]

Originally Posted by Bill

Well, my idea of rough sex is pretty vanilla - just physical strength and taking control and fucking hard and a little mean. Not asking, doing, taking the hard work of sex, deciding what to do, out of her hands.

Not hitting or whipping or such - slapping the ass and thighs is about as far as I like to go.

Spanking, but not to the point of crying or anything other than a red ass and a bit of tenderness.

Hand on throat, but without squeezing or breathplay.

Hair pulling and control, but not the the point of pulling hair out or real pain. If you grab right, you have a lot of control, but it feels nice for her.

Real bdsm people would consider me a wimp, as would any real sub, ha ha ha.

thats the same i how think of rough sex.no strange thinking here.

I can say i do have problems with some sites i review when i see a girl in deepthroath or half choking with a hand on their throath, even the scene is fake, some pics surely does show very rude to me, now lucly i dont see much of these pics, because i realy dont like it, but then i think of the facted the girls or woman they use in those pics are there for the money.......and yeah maybe some woman like to get humiliated like that, but its something i cant imaging myself.
Reminds me of a docu i saw about a sponsor (which name i wont mention here) about a girl realy crying before and aftewards when she did the scene, she didnt like it but did all for the money and also got bad words thrown at her head because she told them she didnt like to do that and yes she still did the scene, because she needed the fucking money.

[sexyvanessa]

Originally Posted by SheepGuy

I gotta agree with Sir Moby, I truly enjoy receiving a blowjob, but watching someone else get one does nothing for me.
Guys are ugly, their cocks are even uglier, why would I want to watch?
Besides that, watching a hot babe swallow my load is far more satisfying than watching her wear it.
I think cumshots and facials are maybe some sort of ego thing, but when I'm having good sex I almost cease to exist as a separate person, that might sound fucked, but when it's really good, that's the way it is for me, and when I'm sucked dry, I fucking love it.

You really do have a way with words.....

As a chick- if I'm allowed to comment, I think its grose - I dont wanna watch it or have it done to me. I think its demeaning, not to mention a waste of good protein

[ronnie]

My wife really gets into my pulling on her hair when having sex, but thats as rough as we get, fine by me, not my thing, to each their own though. Long as it's okay with both.

As for facials, I like it some times, think just for something different. Sure not dominating or power trip for me.

As for swallowing, I've tried but my wife has a hard time with it. She tires but says it's the taste thats the problem. More of our female "friends" have swallowed than my sweetie. lol

Facials in movies are okay, for me it's more a turn on to see the girl with her mouth opening, waiting for it. It's a turn off when you can tell the female doesn't like it in her mouth, when she makes "that face". It's also a turn off when she has to show the proof, kinda eeeww... Now a girl that takes it and smiles or seems to really enjoy it, thats good.

One thing I don't understand is the bukkake, thats just to much and really not enjoyable to watch.

[horndog]

I personally like facials and most cumhots in general and like to see the cum blown somewhere on the woman whether its her tits, ass, face, or stomach. I've given a facial two or three times before but mostly just like to blow my load on the girls tits or ass. I think it's probably more natural to cum in the woman and feels better but I have to say that I like the cumshot better no matter what type of cumshot it is. With porn I suspect most men don't want to always see what may seem natural or regular but whatever turns them on.

[bluemoney]

All this talk is giving me a "boner"

[tigermom]

Personally, I see nothing wrong with domination roleplay and rough sex as a la Bill there. I think it's hot, and let me tell you UW, in this household, we did not wait for the man to initiate those kind of games (or anal sex for that matter). It's not a male thing, and not only men watch porn (surprise, surprise!). Women watch the same kind of porn, and I'm pretty sure it changes sexual practices in societies where most people have internet access. A good friend of mine, an educated woman in her late thirties (a doctor, actually), told me a while ago how she was into gangbangs and rough sex when it comes to watching porn, and loves to feel like a whore in bed. I am pretty sure most women would have been reluctant to admit that a couple of decades ago, and maybe less likely to even feel like that.

[tigermom]

Oh, forgot this was about facials! I am not a man, and my man isn't into facials at all. I like them, though we don't practice. I think there's something very primal and total in watching a man cum, and if he's going to do that so we get to watch, might as well be on his partner

I can see why it would be common in porn, where you want "proof" that the guy came and they really "did it". If he cums in her mouth, they need to do these shots where she keeps her mouth open and plays with it. If he cums in her pussy or ass, there has to be a creampie shot in the end. Facials are just easier to shoot, I guess?

[lorsha]

Originally Posted by tigermom

Facials are just easier to shoot, I guess?

Very much so.

Angle issues don't come into play much.

[sue-fl]

I have enjoyed this post!

I'll take a facial/mouthful anyday! Mixing it with food I'll pass on though, but have been known to gargle with it

[lorsha]

Originally Posted by sue-fl

I have enjoyed this post!

I'll take a facial/mouthful anyday! Mixing it with food I'll pass on though, but have been known to gargle with it

Well as many of you know I am known to "dine" on cum with food quite often, and honestly ... it's not that bad.

[Toni KatVixen]

Other then Lorsha and one other webgirl that I know, most webgirls I know that run their own sites do not like facials, including myself. There are very, very few women that I know that actually like receiving facials most of us find it disgusting and annoying.

There use to be another board that the members were made up of single amateur girl sites and we had a long thread about this and I finally realized that I was very normal in my feelings of being turned off by receiving a facial.

So I find it interesting that most of the women that say they do like getting facials in this thread are not content girls.

I will let him cum in my mouth and some will drip on my mouth/chin...but nothing more.....it’s just how it happens sometimes.

[lorsha]

What really amazes me is all these very obviously "fake" cum blasting sites that have popped up a lot recently. I really don't see the appeal to a guy watching a fake 20" cock, shooting a gallon of fake cum all over the place. Yet I am seeing them pop up more and more on tgp's-mgp's.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by lorsha

What really amazes me is all these very obviously "fake" cum blasting sites that have popped up a lot recently. I really don't see the appeal to a guy watching a fake 20" cock, shooting a gallon of fake cum all over the place. Yet I am seeing them pop up more and more on tgp's-mgp's.

I agree - but I run into guys all the time who try to convince me they're real..... Go figure.

[Ms Naughty]

I'm curious about what one would use to create fake cum. Hair conditioner looks the part but I'm sure no-one wants that in their eye (and it can't taste too good).

Here I am, Wednesday morning, pondering the consistency of fake semen. I love my job.

[Bill]

I've heard they use some kind of commercial drink mixer stuff - pina colada I think.

Looks kind of like cum, tastes good.

[lorsha]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I'm curious about what one would use to create fake cum. Hair conditioner looks the part but I'm sure no-one wants that in their eye (and it can't taste too good).

Here I am, Wednesday morning, pondering the consistency of fake semen. I love my job.

I found that producing "real" cum out of a cock is so easy ... I just don't see the point.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by grandmascrotum

I'm curious about what one would use to create fake cum...

I like yogurt

(somewhere in Upstate New York, there is a bald man giggling to himself)