PageRank

[Hollowhorn]

How do you get a higher page rank? Is it normal to start out with a PR0? I've read that if you have a PR0 then it basically means you're dead!!! Is that true??? Thanks!!!

[nate]

No PR means you're dead. PR0 just means you dont have enough incoming links. You can buy some if you want, google doesnt want you to, but thats about what they force you to do.

PR has turned google into a scam.

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Hollowhorn

How do you get a higher page rank? Is it normal to start out with a PR0? I've read that if you have a PR0 then it basically means you're dead!!! Is that true??? Thanks!!!

You can find some information about page rank at webworkshop. I don't worry about page rank that much but it is a good idea to learn how to use proper internal linking (and external) to build up some pr. It is not as important as it once was but it does still hold some relevance in search engine placement.

And yes it is normal to start with a pr0. All sites do.

[nate]

It seems to me that all sites start out as "google has no pagerank infor about this page". From there you might or might not go to PR0. The root of any domain (but not necessarily any third level domain) will get PR0 unless the domain has been blackballed by google or some shit like that.

I dont know to what extent it affects where your page comes up in the listing for a given search term. I imagine google keeps that info pretty well guarded, although there are probably websites devoted to figuring out google's algorithms for the shear sport of doing it.

PR matters mostly here because unless you have X amount of PR, a lot of link lists wont bother even looking at anything you submit to them. One of the reasons I think highly of Greenie ( LULZ) is because he doesnt seem to do that, and gives everyone a chance depending on the quality of free-sites they build and submit. That is rare in this business today. He isnt the only one, but he's one of the few big dogs that seems to not have forgotten who and what helped him get where he is today.

My advice regarding PR - build lots of your own domains and get lots of inbound links from free-site lists like GG and TGP galleries like PK. Link to your own sites, but dont overdo it.

I havent tried it yet because I've been too busy, but you might look around for link dumps and slow moving futabas that don't have "nofollow" in there page source and post a few links to your sites there. Also, hard link trades with other sites. Don't expect GG to give you a front page hardlink, but you can find other beginners with PR0-1 that will.

And dont fuck people by taking down their link after they put up yours. In general, dont fuck people at all.

[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by nate

It seems to me that all sites start out as "google has no pagerank infor about this page". From there you might or might not go to PR0. The root of any domain (but not necessarily any third level domain) will get PR0 unless the domain has been blackballed by google or some shit like that.

I dont know to what extent it affects where your page comes up in the listing for a given search term. I imagine google keeps that info pretty well guarded, although there are probably websites devoted to figuring out google's algorithms for the shear sport of doing it.

PR matters mostly here because unless you have X amount of PR, a lot of link lists wont bother even looking at anything you submit to them. One of the reasons I think highly of Greenie ( LULZ) is because he doesnt seem to do that, and gives everyone a chance depending on the quality of free-sites they build and submit. That is rare in this business today. He isnt the only one, but he's one of the few big dogs that seems to not have forgotten who and what helped him get where he is today.

My advice regarding PR - build lots of your own domains and get lots of inbound links from free-site lists like GG and TGP galleries like PK. Link to your own sites, but dont overdo it.

I havent tried it yet because I've been too busy, but you might look around for link dumps and slow moving futabas that don't have "nofollow" in there page source and post a few links to your sites there. Also, hard link trades with other sites. Don't expect GG to give you a front page hardlink, but you can find other beginners with PR0-1 that will.

And dont fuck people by taking down their link after they put up yours. In general, dont fuck people at all.

What the hell are you talking about? A lot of what you say here Nate is utter bullshit. You kind of ramble on like you don't have a clue as to what PR is about or where and how to get it. The only worthwhile thing you said is that you need more incoming links to gain PR. And thats only the half of it. It has to be quality links - not those from Link Dumps - that's where PR goes to die.

As far as Link Lists not accepting low PR sites, I have no idea where that came from other than in regards to Blog Submits at some larger LL's - they require a PR1 to list the blog due to so many splogs being submitted.

If you don't know a definitive answer to help the girl out, I'd keep my fingers to myself. the link above to: http://www.webworkshop.net/pagerank.html will sum up all you really need to know about PR and all it's about. Bad and Good.

[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by Hollowhorn

How do you get a higher page rank? Is it normal to start out with a PR0? I've read that if you have a PR0 then it basically means you're dead!!! Is that true??? Thanks!!!

On almost every page you have a 468 banner for your own site - linked to your own site.. I'd take them off the pages totally - the surfer is ALREADY there?

[asianslave]

grey PR bar on new sites = not indexed / assigned PR yet

site with existing PR gets dropped to PR0 =
a) you're possibly penalized and probably fucked
b) they've adjusted the public PR scale and you don't have enough backlinks to qualify for a PR 1

site with existing PR gets a grey bar =
a) you're really fucked and a ban probably just happened, check to see if you're still in the index
b) they're doing a PR update and PR is all over the place - check again later

some of the stuff on that webworkshop page is kind of outdated... the stuff about increasing your PR by creating new pages and circulating the PR doesn't really work in 2009. You need genuine external backlinks.

[nate]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

Blah

I got through about half a sentence and decided it was too nasty to read, so I stopped. I ddnt realize I'd said anything to deserve such a nasty response. A simple correction of facts would have sufficed nicely.

On almost every page you have a 468 banner for your own site - linked to your own site

I wonder why you are bothering to surf my sites, and why you care that my links are cloaked. Pretty weird. Maybe you dont know the difference between a banner for my site and a cloaked banner that goes off to an affiliate. Is that what it is? Cloaked banners have a lot of advantages. You should look up the concept.

You also might look into that after actually reading the webpage posted earlier, and specifically what it says about links to external sites and the overall effect the number of which has on all links from your site and how it affects the way your site affects other site's PR.

After going back ans reading the nasty post:

And thats only the half of it. It has to be quality links - not those from Link Dumps - that's where PR goes to die.

Links from PR1 and even PR0 linkdumps are better than no inbound links at all when you are already sitting at PR0 It isnt like you are going to be linking back, and google doesnt hold any link to your site against you. If they did, what would stop the people from creating sites designed to stay at PR0 or worse then filling them with links to their competitors?

Also, lots of the futabas have pretty good PR, so getting a link on one will definitely be more helpful than not getting any links at all. 4chan is PR6, 7chan is PR3. Lots of the smaller ones are PR2 or 3. Of course, 4chan is a no-go because they dont let you post links and even if they did your link would be gone before a spider had a chance to see it. 7chan, on the other hand moves a lot slower, doesnt have nofollow on its links (and its robots.txt is 404) and lets you post links. I wouldnt go too crazy though. If you spam them without giving them something in return, they will ban you.

[Hollowhorn]

Thanks Stress and Jester for the Webworkshop link. Lots more to it than I realised!! (Jester, you were a little hard on nate, he wanted to help(thanks nate)). There have been several link trades that have denied me because they need a minimum PR 1 was the original thing that made me look more into it. It seems that the linkdumps and such are how to get things started but then as you get some PR, you need to move away from them (The whole system seems kinda hippocritical, use the smaller guys to slingshot off of, then kick them to the curb!).

On almost every page you have a 468 banner for your own site - linked to your own site.. I'd take them off the pages totally - the surfer is ALREADY there?

I did that so that there would be a link on each page linking back to my homepage, helping my PageRank. It seems the Webworkshop article agreed with that. Did I read it wrong or misunderstand it? Are they talking about a different way to internal link?

One other thing, what's a futaba?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by nate

PR matters mostly here because unless you have X amount of PR, a lot of link lists wont bother even looking at anything you submit to them.

That is probably what Jester was reacting to because it's absolute nonsense.

Originally Posted by nate

I wonder why you are bothering to surf my sites, and why you care that my links are cloaked. Pretty weird. Maybe you dont know the difference between a banner for my site and a cloaked banner that goes off to an affiliate. Is that what it is? Cloaked banners have a lot of advantages. You should look up the concept.

Jester wasn't talking to you or about your site in the post you are referring to.

Originally Posted by nate

Links from PR1 and even PR0 linkdumps are better than no inbound links at all when you are already sitting at PR0 It isnt like you are going to be linking back, and google doesnt hold any link to your site against you.

Wrong again. There's such a thing as a "bad neighborhood." Some would argue that all of adult is considered a bad neighborhood, but some sites are far worse than others due potentially to their use of black hate SEO techniques, and it could be argued that not only is it be bad to link to them, but it could also harm your site to be linked to from them.

Originally Posted by nate

Also, lots of the futabas...

What the hell is a futaba?

I wish Halfdeck was still active here. He has a very strong understanding of Google's page rank and how it affects one's listings, supplemental results, etc.

Basically, page rank still has a purpose, an importance, but an excellent page rank doesn't imply that your page will have the best rankings for a particular search term.

[NY Jester]

Nothing really nasty was said to you nate other than your post didn't really answer her question and was filled with misinformation.

Originally Posted by nate

I wonder why you are bothering to surf my sites, and why you care that my links are cloaked. Pretty weird. Maybe you dont know the difference between a banner for my site and a cloaked banner that goes off to an affiliate. Is that what it is? Cloaked banners have a lot of advantages. You should look up the concept.

Also, lots of the futabas have pretty good PR, so getting a link on one will definitely be more helpful than not getting any links at all. 4chan is PR6, 7chan is PR3. Lots of the smaller ones are PR2 or 3. Of course, 4chan is a no-go because they dont let you post links and even if they did your link would be gone before a spider had a chance to see it. 7chan, on the other hand moves a lot slower, doesnt have nofollow on its links (and its robots.txt is 404) and lets you post links. I wouldnt go too crazy though. If you spam them without giving them something in return, they will ban you.

...and just a slight correction nate - I wasn't speaking to you in regards to any banners. If you look at the post its Hollow who I quoted in regard to the banner not you.

Don't even get me started on 4chan 7chan 12chan etc.

[NY Jester]

Originally Posted by Hollowhorn

I did that so that there would be a link on each page linking back to my homepage, helping my PageRank. It seems the Webworkshop article agreed with that. Did I read it wrong or misunderstand it? Are they talking about a different way to internal link?

You may want to try adding a "HOME" text link rather than an image. And you may want to link to a page that is already "inside" the site rather the "ENTER/EXIT" page. But that's just my preference. Do what works for you.

[Hollowhorn]

Originally Posted by NY Jester

You may want to try adding a "HOME" text link rather than an image. And you may want to link to a page that is already "inside" the site rather the "ENTER/EXIT" page. But that's just my preference. Do what works for you.

Thanks Jester, I'll try changing the link and directing it to my main page instead.


Now I'm wondering more than ever about the futaba thing...

[nate]

and it could be argued that not only is it be bad to link to them, but it could also harm your site to be linked to from them.

My understanding of that is that you would receive no benefit from such inbound links, but would not be harmed by such links because you have no control over who or where links to you. Now if they can show you have paid for a link, thats a whole different story, as that is explicitly against their rues.

I'll agree that you dont want to get involved with that.

What the hell is a futaba?

Japanese version of BBS. Very popular among 18-25. If someone could get the right angle on it, you could get tons of traffic and some PR to boot.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Futaba_Channel

Nothing really nasty was said to you nate

Thats cool. You usually seem pretty nice and that just struck me as unlike you. I thought maybe satan had crawled inside you or something. LOL.

Don't even get me started on 4chan 7chan 12chan etc.

You dont like the internet hate machine?

[NY Jester]

LOL nah Im not possessed, at least I don't think so anyway.

LOL Hate machine, more like trollville - but every site has its place and purpose. It's all good.

[Maj. Stress]

Silly me, I thought Futaba's were for flying model airplanes.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...26543932895547

[Hollowhorn]

Love the Futaba Stress!!!!!!!!!

[alvarez]

I have my Link List in Cham. Link List Submitter ... after 3 months - PR 3

[Hollowhorn]

What is Cham. Link Submitter? Never heard of it!?! Is that the only place you're listed?

[nate]

chameleon

[bluebrit]

I took a quick look at your link and came to the following conclusions, which may help you a little but as with all new domains, it takes time to gain interest from se's and you do need a little knowledge to help you on the way.

Page title not found - Title relevancy is almost none existent because the title in your html should be found somewhere on the page. In addition to that I doubt anyone will ever type in your title unless they already know about your site. try using 'Cindys Sex Place' instead. It's cleaner and easier to remember.

Page description not found - Similarly your description should appear on the page as well but it's a description, not an option to spam the surfer. Tell them what they will see and be honest.

Images are missing alt text - Add alt tags to your images to make them descriptive. This is necessary for surfers with poor eyesight or for times when your images do not load.

Make sure your image tags have height & width attributes - I think I saw at least one that did not have them.

Page contains more outbound links than internal links - Add a textual menu to the index page so that you show more inbound links. This will at least help you gain some quality in the eyes of se's.

The page contains to many meta keywords that have no relation to the page - Reduce the number keywords you use and make them accurate. Keywords used in meta tags should appear on the page. Once again this means your text needs to be relevant to make keywords a viable option. That said if you spam the surfer, you will get knocked out of the listings.

Page rank. Your site is brand new and basically it could appear in Google because it is new, but once it has been spidered a few times, the chances are that you will see it drop down the listings. This is not only because it is not relevant, it's because it is new and to be honest, new porn sites are a dime a dozen and se's see them appearing on a daily basis. To make yours stand out it needs to be original and that is hard to do because everything to do with porn has already been done a hundred times over.

The pr thing itself really means very little today. Yes it's nice to see, but what you see has no bearing on what Google sees and more importantly it has no bearing on the amount of traffic you get to the site. Traffic comes from quality. If you get that right, pr will follow.

The last piece of advice I would give is to be an honest webmaster. That above all else will gain you respect from other webmasters and that is crucial to earning trust in se's and in getting good links to your pages.

[whitey]

Originally Posted by bluebrit

I took a quick look at your link and came to the following conclusions, which may help you a little but as with all new domains, it takes time to gain interest from se's and you do need a little knowledge to help you on the way.

Page title not found - Title relevancy is almost none existent because the title in your html should be found somewhere on the page. In addition to that I doubt anyone will ever type in your title unless they already know about your site. try using 'Cindys Sex Place' instead. It's cleaner and easier to remember.

Page description not found - Similarly your description should appear on the page as well but it's a description, not an option to spam the surfer. Tell them what they will see and be honest.

Images are missing alt text - Add alt tags to your images to make them descriptive. This is necessary for surfers with poor eyesight or for times when your images do not load.

Make sure your image tags have height & width attributes - I think I saw at least one that did not have them.

Page contains more outbound links than internal links - Add a textual menu to the index page so that you show more inbound links. This will at least help you gain some quality in the eyes of se's.

The page contains to many meta keywords that have no relation to the page - Reduce the number keywords you use and make them accurate. Keywords used in meta tags should appear on the page. Once again this means your text needs to be relevant to make keywords a viable option. That said if you spam the surfer, you will get knocked out of the listings.

Page rank. Your site is brand new and basically it could appear in Google because it is new, but once it has been spidered a few times, the chances are that you will see it drop down the listings. This is not only because it is not relevant, it's because it is new and to be honest, new porn sites are a dime a dozen and se's see them appearing on a daily basis. To make yours stand out it needs to be original and that is hard to do because everything to do with porn has already been done a hundred times over.

The pr thing itself really means very little today. Yes it's nice to see, but what you see has no bearing on what Google sees and more importantly it has no bearing on the amount of traffic you get to the site. Traffic comes from quality. If you get that right, pr will follow.

The last piece of advice I would give is to be an honest webmaster. That above all else will gain you respect from other webmasters and that is crucial to earning trust in se's and in getting good links to your pages.

All excpetional advice here.!!!

[Hollowhorn]

Thanks bluebrit!! I'll make some corrections. As far as the URL I debated whether to use one X or 3 XXX and thought that having the XXX might help me by having the keywords sex and XXX show up in SE. Does it work that way??

[Maj. Stress]

Originally Posted by Hollowhorn

Thanks bluebrit!! I'll make some corrections. As far as the URL I debated whether to use one X or 3 XXX and thought that having the XXX might help me by having the keywords sex and XXX show up in SE. Does it work that way??

Depending on the search engine, yes. Also remember "triple x" can return similar results to "xxx". It is also very hard to rank for search terms like that. There are a gazillion other domains and sites out there using terms that are generic to the industry.

Once you get more experience and see how the search engines react to your site(s) you can adjust your keyword strategies. Don't drive yourself to insanity trying to figure it out as an exact science tho. The world changes on a daily basis.

[bluebrit]

Maj Stress said it perfectly.
It's not an exact science and the world does change on a daily basis. What you get ranked for one day will not necessarily be the case the next because of the se algorithms, competition and other webmasters making changes to their sites.

Concentrate on making a surfer friendly site first and foremost.