xxxJay stop fucking stealing my site designs and text! this is your last warning

Kush · 2003-12-31, 08:26 PM

You have ripped off my work before. I have privately tried to contact you, but you ignored me. Then I went public, and you still ignored it - FINE.

Now I just found another site of yours where you ripped off MORE of my work.

Here's a tip, when you steal my designs, my text, and my coding, CHANGE IT SO I CAN'T TELL! I know other people who model some of their work after mine, but you are stealing it directly, word-for-wode, html-for-html, AGAIN. These methods of yours are sloppy, lazy, and illegal.

If I feel that it is in my best interests to sue you, I will.

You know exactly what you are doing, and I am warning you, STOP.

If you are thinking of fabricating some false spin on this or giving out blatant lies, I suggest you re-think your strategy. More people know about what you are doing than you are aware of, and some of them are willing to go as far as to terminate their business and link trades with you. However, I asked them not to do so, because I think you can change and make things right. But this is your last chance.

The ball is in your court.

Cleo · 2003-12-31, 08:32 PM

|juggle| |dancinggu

|juggle|

Kush · 2003-12-31, 08:51 PM

Cleo, I think you summed it up.
It's like a crazy fiasco with this guy.

He preaches one set of ethics, then completely follows another.

Totally ridiculous, especially with him being around as long as he has been.l

Keyser Soze · 2003-12-31, 09:13 PM

Funny he complaints about people registering domains related to his main domain name and then turn around stealing other peoples work!

Oh well another cheating/stealing moron to avoid in this business sadly more and more of those pops up.

Well him not registering jaysxxxlinks.com when he own jays-xxx-links.com says its all doesn´t it?

plateman · 2003-12-31, 09:20 PM

Hi kush I was checking out your site and i think its the cats ass i hate to ask here but do u want to swap links pm me my site Http://www.pornoplentyxxxlinks.com i am going to start pouring a lot of time in it as i been working on it daily

thanks i hope you get your issue solved

Kush · 2004-01-01, 12:22 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by plateman
Hi kush I was checking out your site and i think its the cats ass i hate to ask here but do u want to swap links pm me my site Http://www.pornoplentyxxxlinks.com i am going to start pouring a lot of time in it as i been working on it daily

thanks i hope you get your issue solved

Let's work out the details in private. I'm sure we can do something to both of our likings. I'm enjoying the rest of the night away from the computer, so maybe we can catch each other tomorrow.
My ICQ is in my profile, or you can use email.
kushATbeufords.com

WicKed · 2004-01-01, 05:53 AM

damn Kush, you having problems with this guy again??..And yea this was the same person bitching about someone stealing his type in traffic or some bullshit....Karma's a bitch huh??

Boogie · 2004-01-01, 04:17 PM

I've seen firsthand some of what Kush is talking about here. A few years ago, the webmaster community would LYNCH someone for this shit. Drive to their house and hit them in the fucking nuts.

Blacklist them, ban them from link lists and link trades, and shit on their reputation on every board everywhere else.

The empathy shown in this situation by other webmasters blows my mind.

Hell, I like jay. I like his work. Like his sites. But all of that shit goes out the window when you do some of the stuff he's doing, and I think it should be the same for a lot of you guys.

3 years ago, someone doing this would be in the doghouse. Now its just ignored. shrugged off.

I dont get it, but then again I've not been as "in" the game as I'd like the past few years, maybe something changed that I dotn know about that makes this ok.

Not word for word, but html for html. Right click, save as, upload it to your server, have a fucking blast. Again, if this is ok now, let me know, it would save me a TON of fucking time on site building.

Keyser Soze · 2004-01-01, 07:34 PM

Yeah its a funny thing when I started in this business in 2000 I was told "you only have one thing your reputation protect it don´t cheat, steal or fuck up otherwise or you will be finished in this business"
I´ve always tried to live after that but sadly it doesn´t seem so important any more I guess people are gotten used to stealing, cheating, lieing scumbags that they don´t care anymore!

Really sad.

Extreme John · 2004-01-02, 02:22 AM

Im kinda shocked Jay hasnt responded in here yet, he must be out for the New year, kinda curious what Jay will have to say and if he will make some changes to resolve this.

xxxjay · 2004-01-02, 03:33 AM

You know what Kush: FUCK YOU

You are SO WRONG and SO OUT OF LINE RIGHT NOW

You all know who copied who and who is a link dropping bitch - YOU. Maybe you've been riding my nuts so long - you don't even recognize my work from your own.

You even admitted to coping me in the past. I will post the ICQ history if you want.

The xxx.html, video.html - sorry learned that trick from John Morgan aka OMPI in 1999. I'd like you say that same shit to him - you fucking worm. I stopped doing it because it too much time. Saw where some of your pages that you copied from ME are coming up using that technique, so I went back and wrote a few like that.

Big-whoop-tee-do!

End of story.

At least I don't drop people links trades, unlike some FAGGOTS NAMED KUSH do that I know, and at least I don't slander them on the boards when some FAGGOTS NAMED KUSH do. I’ve handled this with you in that past professionally, and thought this was water under the bridge, but if you want to take it to the boards – we can do that too.

You can not find one webmaster on this board that can site where I have double crossed them.

Better yet:

YOU KNOW WHAT? – FUCK YOU: Why don't you just go out to Vegas and I'll break you fucking face open you piece of shit.

You really don’t know who you are messing with.

chaldoray · 2004-01-02, 03:50 AM

Jay is a good man i don't know what your talking about dude.

You must be out of your mind, why would jay copy your designs?
That makes no sense, go flake off somewhere else not here.

xxxjay · 2004-01-02, 04:09 AM

You know what - sure I did look at some of his pages -- THAT HE COPIED FROM STUUF FROM MINE FIRST - FUNNY HOW HE LEFT THAT PART OUT.

*** NOT TO MENTION DROPPED LINK TRADES WITH BE TO USURP MY SPOTS ***

NOW HE'S SLANDERING ME AND TALKING A LOT OF SHIT BEHIND MY BACK?

KUSH - YOU HAD REALLY BETTER HOPE WE DON'T MEET IN PERSON. I WILL FUCK YOU UP.

TOMMORROW WHEN I GET TO WORK - I WILL POST THE ICQ HISTORY WHERE YOU ADMITED TO BITING ME NUTS AND DROPPING MY LINKS - YOU FUCKING DICKWAD.

YOU CAN GE SUED FOR SLANDER TOO - YOU FUCKING DUMBASS. I HAVE A LAWYER ON RETAINER AT ALL TIMES THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS TOMMORROW.

WicKed · 2004-01-02, 05:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by chaldoray
Jay is a good man i don't know what your talking about dude.

You must be out of your mind, why would jay copy your designs?
That makes no sense, go flake off somewhere else not here.

this comming from someone who used Extreme banners to link to nexcash. The last thing Kush is is a flake off as you put it, he may be a fuck off, but he knows his shit and would have no reason to make outragous accusations about anyone without reason.

Yahook · 2004-01-02, 05:25 AM

I know Jay for a long time. All I can say - he is a honest man. And I don't understand what are you talking about. If you assert that - you must have an exact reason. And you must be able to prove that you are right.

Jim · 2004-01-02, 08:39 AM

Looking back at other threads, it is obvious someone is copying from somebody. But we don't know who that somebody is so, we are staying out of it.

Cleo · 2004-01-02, 08:43 AM

Ditto on what Jim said.

I have absolutely no comment on this thread since I don't know the facts.

I'm not siding with anyone.

I will say this thread seems to have degraded into just name calling with nothing being worked out.

docholly · 2004-01-02, 09:28 AM

*passing the

around*...

|idea| i wonder if i can copywrite HTML coded pages... or hold the patent on .html *dialing up acacia's attorney*...

|dancinggu

Platinum Adam · 2004-01-02, 10:32 AM

Hey .....Jay is a good guy!

Bulldog-Johnnie · 2004-01-02, 10:56 AM

I have known Jay for a while now and time and time again he has proven to be a stand up guy. Even when it is in his best interest to say nothing he has always been truthful (many times it has bitten him in the ass). I trust Jay and am happy to call him my friend and let there be no doubt I have his back.

jerseygirls · 2004-01-02, 11:32 AM

I usually just read here, but on this thread i had to post.

I've known jay for a long time and worked with him before.
He knows what he's doing and doesn't need to copy anything from anyone.

I have a hard time beleiveing that he would be stealing / copying someone's work.

Keyser Soze · 2004-01-02, 11:55 AM

Wow Jay called out all his friends.

Don´t forget the proof Kush posted a couple of months back where Jay forgot to remove some of the text that clearly showed it was an right click -> Save as job.

That fact and the fact I know Kush for a couple of years on another board where he has always been a helpful, polite and valued member is more than enough for me to make up my mind.

xxxjay · 2004-01-02, 12:28 PM

For the record here is where I expressed my frustration with Kush some months ago. You will notice that I, unlike Kush, at least have had the decency to not name names. I just chose to not do business with him anymore and that was it.

Here is my post:

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=2200

Right now Kush has gone to poeple I have traded links with trying to slander me, probably is reporting me to google, and god knows what else.

In fact I believe, along with a lot of other top people that read this board that he already has done so:
http://realityporn.net/

I had to abandon this site, and I blame Kush for this.

There's no reason in the world this should be PR0.

His problem with me isn't that I copy him - it's that he is loosing his precious terms to me one by one - and yes Kush - that was part of my plan.

Back in 99 I wrote a 12 page SE Ops paper using the same technique / structures that was used by a company that employed over 60 webmasters. That information is widely distributed.

I am very dissapointed that the moderaters at GG and Jim haven't just pulled this thread.

Fact is Kush can dish it out, but he can't take it.

I appreal to the moderaters of this board to just close this thread, so I can stop wasting my time. I have to be in Vegas tomorrow.

As i was typing this, someone just made me aware of this - here;s EXACTLY WHY KUSH HAS AN AXE TO TO GRIND WITH ME - and it has nothing to do with stealing his work:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...q=reality+porn

Damn, sore loosers suck. This is the last I will post on this thread, maybe even Greenguy and Jim for that matter. I appreciate everyones support.

CJTraffic · 2004-01-02, 01:26 PM

I've known Jay for years and he's always been straight up and legit with any dealings we've had together. I don't know Kush for shit, but apparently he's been around for a while, and I know better than to talk shit about people I don't know. Everyone has to make their own decisions about who they want to work with and who to trust. I will say Kush hasn't posted anything in here that proves why I shouldn't trust Jay. For my part and CJ's part, we trust Jay and are proud to have him as part of our team.

Kush · 2004-01-02, 01:28 PM

Jay, piss and yell all you want, but even after I went public from a few weeks ago the proof is still the same. I certainly wouldn't make accusations like this without proof, and without knowing 100% that I am right.

Don't you see that the people that know the all the details are against you?

Check out all of the details of this thread again for all the gory detaills:
http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=2759

I still can't believe you left my embedded URL in my page that you copied onto a free host so you could inflate it's PR then use it to link back to your own sites,

Just visit this page http://realityporn.quickadult.com/ that Jay copied off me html-for-html, and CRTL+F for Reality-Porn-Sites.org (my site) and w/o a doubt you can see the page is copied. Other parts are directly copied too, just see above to see it.

2003-12-31, 08:26 PM	#1
Kush Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 201	xxxJay stop fucking stealing my site designs and text! this is your last warning You have ripped off my work before. I have privately tried to contact you, but you ignored me. Then I went public, and you still ignored it - FINE. Now I just found another site of yours where you ripped off MORE of my work. Here's a tip, when you steal my designs, my text, and my coding, CHANGE IT SO I CAN'T TELL! I know other people who model some of their work after mine, but you are stealing it directly, word-for-wode, html-for-html, AGAIN. These methods of yours are sloppy, lazy, and illegal. If I feel that it is in my best interests to sue you, I will. You know exactly what you are doing, and I am warning you, STOP. If you are thinking of fabricating some false spin on this or giving out blatant lies, I suggest you re-think your strategy. More people know about what you are doing than you are aware of, and some of them are willing to go as far as to terminate their business and link trades with you. However, I asked them not to do so, because I think you can change and make things right. But this is your last chance. The ball is in your court. __________________ 120x60 Max For Sig Files

2003-12-31, 08:32 PM	#2
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2003-12-31, 08:51 PM	#3
Kush Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 201	Cleo, I think you summed it up. It's like a crazy fiasco with this guy. He preaches one set of ethics, then completely follows another. Totally ridiculous, especially with him being around as long as he has been.l __________________ 120x60 Max For Sig Files

2003-12-31, 09:13 PM	#4
Keyser Soze Oh! I haven't changed since high school and suddenly I am uncool Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 252	Funny he complaints about people registering domains related to his main domain name and then turn around stealing other peoples work! Oh well another cheating/stealing moron to avoid in this business sadly more and more of those pops up. Well him not registering jaysxxxlinks.com when he own jays-xxx-links.com says its all doesn´t it? __________________ RedPass questions or issues: email michael.olsen@redpass.com ICQ 628746487

2004-01-01, 05:53 AM	#7
WicKed The only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay guys and big fat party animals Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Dirty South Posts: 176	damn Kush, you having problems with this guy again??..And yea this was the same person bitching about someone stealing his type in traffic or some bullshit....Karma's a bitch huh?? __________________ <a href="http://www.wickedwebmasters.com/submit/">Hand Submit to 100's of TGPs</a><br> ICQ 178-247-277

2003-12-31, 09:20 PM	#5
plateman What can I do - I was born this way LOL Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: ohio Posts: 3,086	Hi kush I was checking out your site and i think its the cats ass i hate to ask here but do u want to swap links pm me my site Http://www.pornoplentyxxxlinks.com i am going to start pouring a lot of time in it as i been working on it daily thanks i hope you get your issue solved

2004-01-01, 04:17 PM	#8
Boogie I like to blog :) Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,050	I've seen firsthand some of what Kush is talking about here. A few years ago, the webmaster community would LYNCH someone for this shit. Drive to their house and hit them in the fucking nuts. Blacklist them, ban them from link lists and link trades, and shit on their reputation on every board everywhere else. The empathy shown in this situation by other webmasters blows my mind. Hell, I like jay. I like his work. Like his sites. But all of that shit goes out the window when you do some of the stuff he's doing, and I think it should be the same for a lot of you guys. 3 years ago, someone doing this would be in the doghouse. Now its just ignored. shrugged off. I dont get it, but then again I've not been as "in" the game as I'd like the past few years, maybe something changed that I dotn know about that makes this ok. Not word for word, but html for html. Right click, save as, upload it to your server, have a fucking blast. Again, if this is ok now, let me know, it would save me a TON of fucking time on site building.

2004-01-01, 07:34 PM	#9
Keyser Soze Oh! I haven't changed since high school and suddenly I am uncool Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 252	Yeah its a funny thing when I started in this business in 2000 I was told "you only have one thing your reputation protect it don´t cheat, steal or fuck up otherwise or you will be finished in this business" I´ve always tried to live after that but sadly it doesn´t seem so important any more I guess people are gotten used to stealing, cheating, lieing scumbags that they don´t care anymore! Really sad. __________________ RedPass questions or issues: email michael.olsen@redpass.com ICQ 628746487

2004-01-02, 02:22 AM	#10
Extreme John Afro John says: "Touch The Extreme Afro & You'll Be In Extreme Pain!" Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,671	Im kinda shocked Jay hasnt responded in here yet, he must be out for the New year, kinda curious what Jay will have to say and if he will make some changes to resolve this. __________________ September 6, 2007

2004-01-02, 03:33 AM	#11
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	You know what Kush: FUCK YOU You are SO WRONG and SO OUT OF LINE RIGHT NOW You all know who copied who and who is a link dropping bitch - YOU. Maybe you've been riding my nuts so long - you don't even recognize my work from your own. You even admitted to coping me in the past. I will post the ICQ history if you want. The xxx.html, video.html - sorry learned that trick from John Morgan aka OMPI in 1999. I'd like you say that same shit to him - you fucking worm. I stopped doing it because it too much time. Saw where some of your pages that you copied from ME are coming up using that technique, so I went back and wrote a few like that. Big-whoop-tee-do! End of story. At least I don't drop people links trades, unlike some FAGGOTS NAMED KUSH do that I know, and at least I don't slander them on the boards when some FAGGOTS NAMED KUSH do. I’ve handled this with you in that past professionally, and thought this was water under the bridge, but if you want to take it to the boards – we can do that too. You can not find one webmaster on this board that can site where I have double crossed them. Better yet: YOU KNOW WHAT? – FUCK YOU: Why don't you just go out to Vegas and I'll break you fucking face open you piece of shit. You really don’t know who you are messing with. __________________ Circle Of Violence Last edited by xxxjay; 2004-01-02 at 04:13 AM..

2004-01-02, 03:50 AM	#12
chaldoray They have the Internet on computers, now? Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 142	Jay is a good man i don't know what your talking about dude. You must be out of your mind, why would jay copy your designs? That makes no sense, go flake off somewhere else not here.

2004-01-02, 04:09 AM	#13
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	You know what - sure I did look at some of his pages -- THAT HE COPIED FROM STUUF FROM MINE FIRST - FUNNY HOW HE LEFT THAT PART OUT. * NOT TO MENTION DROPPED LINK TRADES WITH BE TO USURP MY SPOTS * NOW HE'S SLANDERING ME AND TALKING A LOT OF SHIT BEHIND MY BACK? KUSH - YOU HAD REALLY BETTER HOPE WE DON'T MEET IN PERSON. I WILL FUCK YOU UP. TOMMORROW WHEN I GET TO WORK - I WILL POST THE ICQ HISTORY WHERE YOU ADMITED TO BITING ME NUTS AND DROPPING MY LINKS - YOU FUCKING DICKWAD. YOU CAN GE SUED FOR SLANDER TOO - YOU FUCKING DUMBASS. I HAVE A LAWYER ON RETAINER AT ALL TIMES THAT WILL BE LOOKING AT THIS TOMMORROW. __________________ Circle Of Violence

2004-01-02, 05:25 AM	#15
Yahook Banned Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 511	I know Jay for a long time. All I can say - he is a honest man. And I don't understand what are you talking about. If you assert that - you must have an exact reason. And you must be able to prove that you are right.

2004-01-02, 08:39 AM	#16
Jim Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mohawk, New York Posts: 19,477	Looking back at other threads, it is obvious someone is copying from somebody. But we don't know who that somebody is so, we are staying out of it.

2004-01-02, 08:43 AM	#17
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Ditto on what Jim said. I have absolutely no comment on this thread since I don't know the facts. I'm not siding with anyone. I will say this thread seems to have degraded into just name calling with nothing being worked out. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-01-02, 09:28 AM	#18
docholly Nothing funnier than the ridiculous faces you people make mid-coitus Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Sin-City USA Posts: 4,973	passing the around... \|idea\| i wonder if i can copywrite HTML coded pages... or hold the patent on .html dialing up acacia's attorney... \|dancinggu __________________ Support Indie Porn Sites OMGoddess You know you need some Bling!!

2004-01-02, 10:32 AM	#19
Platinum Adam Banned Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Toronto Posts: 3	Hey .....Jay is a good guy!

2004-01-02, 10:56 AM	#20
Bulldog-Johnnie Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 3	I have known Jay for a while now and time and time again he has proven to be a stand up guy. Even when it is in his best interest to say nothing he has always been truthful (many times it has bitten him in the ass). I trust Jay and am happy to call him my friend and let there be no doubt I have his back. __________________ Sales@PornKings.com ICQ-76720120

2004-01-02, 11:32 AM	#21
jerseygirls Internet! Is that thing still around? Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1	I usually just read here, but on this thread i had to post. I've known jay for a long time and worked with him before. He knows what he's doing and doesn't need to copy anything from anyone. I have a hard time beleiveing that he would be stealing / copying someone's work.

2004-01-02, 11:55 AM	#22
Keyser Soze Oh! I haven't changed since high school and suddenly I am uncool Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 252	Wow Jay called out all his friends. Don´t forget the proof Kush posted a couple of months back where Jay forgot to remove some of the text that clearly showed it was an right click -> Save as job. That fact and the fact I know Kush for a couple of years on another board where he has always been a helpful, polite and valued member is more than enough for me to make up my mind. __________________ RedPass questions or issues: email michael.olsen@redpass.com ICQ 628746487

2004-01-02, 12:28 PM	#23
xxxjay You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: atlanta Posts: 1,787	For the record here is where I expressed my frustration with Kush some months ago. You will notice that I, unlike Kush, at least have had the decency to not name names. I just chose to not do business with him anymore and that was it. Here is my post: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=2200 Right now Kush has gone to poeple I have traded links with trying to slander me, probably is reporting me to google, and god knows what else. In fact I believe, along with a lot of other top people that read this board that he already has done so: http://realityporn.net/ I had to abandon this site, and I blame Kush for this. There's no reason in the world this should be PR0. His problem with me isn't that I copy him - it's that he is loosing his precious terms to me one by one - and yes Kush - that was part of my plan. Back in 99 I wrote a 12 page SE Ops paper using the same technique / structures that was used by a company that employed over 60 webmasters. That information is widely distributed. I am very dissapointed that the moderaters at GG and Jim haven't just pulled this thread. Fact is Kush can dish it out, but he can't take it. I appreal to the moderaters of this board to just close this thread, so I can stop wasting my time. I have to be in Vegas tomorrow. As i was typing this, someone just made me aware of this - here;s EXACTLY WHY KUSH HAS AN AXE TO TO GRIND WITH ME - and it has nothing to do with stealing his work: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&l...q=reality+porn Damn, sore loosers suck. This is the last I will post on this thread, maybe even Greenguy and Jim for that matter. I appreciate everyones support. __________________ Circle Of Violence Last edited by xxxjay; 2004-01-02 at 12:31 PM..

2004-01-02, 01:26 PM	#24
CJTraffic Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 19	I've known Jay for years and he's always been straight up and legit with any dealings we've had together. I don't know Kush for shit, but apparently he's been around for a while, and I know better than to talk shit about people I don't know. Everyone has to make their own decisions about who they want to work with and who to trust. I will say Kush hasn't posted anything in here that proves why I shouldn't trust Jay. For my part and CJ's part, we trust Jay and are proud to have him as part of our team. __________________ Marc Womack \|GossipKings.com ICQ 64425641 \| 678.528.5893

2004-01-02, 01:28 PM	#25
Kush Ahhh ... sweet pity. Where would my love life be without it? Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 201	Jay, piss and yell all you want, but even after I went public from a few weeks ago the proof is still the same. I certainly wouldn't make accusations like this without proof, and without knowing 100% that I am right. Don't you see that the people that know the all the details are against you? Check out all of the details of this thread again for all the gory detaills: http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...&threadid=2759 I still can't believe you left my embedded URL in my page that you copied onto a free host so you could inflate it's PR then use it to link back to your own sites, Just visit this page http://realityporn.quickadult.com/ that Jay copied off me html-for-html, and CRTL+F for Reality-Porn-Sites.org (my site) and w/o a doubt you can see the page is copied. Other parts are directly copied too, just see above to see it. __________________ 120x60 Max For Sig Files