TopBucks has one more exit console spot available soon!

[salesqueenxxx]

Hello,

TopBucks has one more exit console spot coming available very soon and we offer excellent pricing so please contact me if interested before too late!

Thank you,

[Useless]

Now there's a message meant to inspire every affiliate to choose the no console option. Or maybe it's going to be another pop-under along with that goddamn feeds one we already get when we make the mistake of viewing our TopBucks' stats. Please find more ways to disrespect me. I'm unworthy of professional honesty and treatment.

[salesqueenxxx]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Now there's a message meant to inspire every affiliate to choose the no console option. Or maybe it's going to be another pop-under along with that goddamn feeds one we already get when we make the mistake of viewing our TopBucks' stats. Please find more ways to disrespect me. I'm unworthy of professional honesty and treatment.

Hi Useless Warrior,

At TopBucks we always appreciate feedback whether positive or negative. We need to know how to make things better. In regards to the pop-under on TopBucks.com, yes it is annoying and we had that removed. We had that up there to promote our leased feeds that many of our webmasters and affiliate programs utilize.

As for the consoles on our program. We have them, we will always have them and that's why we offer a non-console program as well as a handsome revshare option that has a no-console option.

We can't make everyone happy and we try. So we had the one on TB removed and there isn't much of an option to remove the ones from our paysites.

If you have any other feedback to give, we are open to hearing it.

[Useless]

Do you folks realize that when webmasters see the console/no console options, we often assume that the consoles must be in-network consoles/last ditch efforts to make the sale? In other words, we quite fairly assume that you are popping those annoying buggers on your tours in order to make us money, not steal the sale away from us. I mean, why would we voluntarily send traffic to a site that is deliberately working against our own best interests? The sole reason for this confusion is that sponsors, such as TopBucks, never explain what the purpose of their consoles are.

By the way, I've complained about the feeds pop-under before and it was removed then too -- very briefly. It'll be back.

Also, in my opinion, it's sleazy to advertise such a thing on a webmaster board. Why not whore for such things at the conventions when all the sponsor reps are chatting amongst themselves rather than networking with affiliate webmasters?

[Kristin]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

Do you folks realize that when webmasters see the console/no console options, we often assume that the consoles must be in-network consoles/last ditch efforts to make the sale? In other words, we quite fairly assume that you are popping those annoying buggers on your tours in order to make us money, not steal the sale away from us. I mean, why would we voluntarily send traffic to a site that is deliberately working against our own best interests? The sole reason for this confusion is that sponsors, such as TopBucks, never explain what the purpose of their consoles are.

By the way, I've complained about the feeds pop-under before and it was removed then too -- very briefly. It'll be back.

Also, in my opinion, it's sleazy to advertise such a thing on a webmaster board. Why not whore for such things at the conventions when all the sponsor reps are chatting amongst themselves rather than networking with affiliate webmasters?

So you just have a problem with non-in network exits and it stealing your money, gotcha.

The pop-under won't be back and posting about an exit opening is only sleazy to you because you don't believe in how we do our exits.

You in WNY too? The cold weather can make one grumpy. : )

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Kristin

...The pop-under won't be back and posting about an exit opening is only sleazy to you because you don't believe in how we do our exits...

If you 2 paid attention to the board you spam, you'd know that this board is full of very honest webmasters that, for the most part, don't use or endorse consoles/popups.

So his posts are not based on anything other than what most of us here on the board feel & believe.

PS - I'm in WNY - he's in Central NY

[Kristin]

I know you are in WNY.

Okay we'll stay off of GGJ with this stuff .... to remind you though there are many WMs on this board that promote us, including you. Also we have paid for advertising many times and you don't seem to have a problem with a company who does exits buying ads.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Kristin

...to remind you though there are many WMs on this board that promote us...

That why you have newsletters. If you're only using message boards to get out your info, someone needs to be fired.

Originally Posted by Kristin

...including you...

You might want to look at my stats before you make statements like that.

Originally Posted by Kristin

...Also we have paid for advertising many times and you don't seem to have a problem with a company who does exits buying ads.

The 1st post about buying exit ads came after you stopped advertising here.

But I'll be honest & say that odds are I would have bit my tongue if you were advertising, like I have in the past with Top Bucks.

[Kristin]

Originally Posted by Greenie

But I'll be honest & say that odds are I would have bit my tongue if you were advertising, like I have in the past with Top Bucks.

Money over morals ...

[Greenguy]

Not exactly. See, I did post my concern out in the open:
http://forum.topbucks.com/showthread.php?t=455

And I was told by Lee & everyone else that Top Buck would step up & do the right thing by letting all the webmasters know that 20 sites were closed without notice, moved to a new program & all the existing traffic was basically stolen by Yappo.

I'm still waiting for that newsletter.

That's why I no longer promote Top Bucks & have never sent a hit to Yapoo (well, one that I got credit for)

Please feel free to comment on that one once you remove your foot from your mouth.

[Greenguy]

ICQ conversation - read it from bottom to top (2 posts)

Greenguy messages history

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:21 PM
From : kristin
again, thanks for your understanding.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:21 PM
From : kristin
haha, no worries ... hit me up if you need anything and you should have an
email shortly with stats.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:21 PM
To : Greenguy
sounds good

I gotta fly - dinner time - thanks for taking care of all this &
sorry I'm such an ass

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:20 PM
From : kristin
so it's like 0:32 but for a bunch of niches, i think with yappo you'd see a
join in there a lot more for each niche.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:20 PM
From : kristin
yeah, i never really liked all the 1st page, 2nd page unique stuff ... you
weren't doing bad by any means, it's just that you send a lot of traffic but it
was niched out. with yappo since we have the 10 free minutes it tends to
convert better. and the site is way nicer than any ondemand site ever was.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:18 PM
To : Greenguy
was I doing bad?

It was always hard to tell with the old TB stats since they
weren't 1st page

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:17 PM
From : kristin
i'm going through your stats ... i feel even worse now!

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:17 PM
From : kristin
christ, maybe you'll actually convert with the switch

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:15 PM
To : Greenguy
ok

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:13 PM
From : kristin
for the niches you have going on TB, i'll get those for you in different
campaigns and send them to you with your nats code

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:13 PM
To : Greenguy
lol

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:12 PM
From : kristin
and as a fellow ginger kid, know i'd never hurt my own ; )

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:12 PM
From : kristin
thanks mark .. i appreciate your frustration and understanding in all of this.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:11 PM
To : Greenguy
I got the Yappo email - I'll grab my codes & get some links up next week

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:57 PM
To : Greenguy
the best man at my wedding moved to Phoenix 8 or 9 years ago

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:55 PM
From : kristin
we are in arizona, and i grew up in warsaw... orchard park or east aurora would
have been where i chose to live had i stayed there. it's just so beautiful. i
am coming home at the end of this month and can't wait to see the green and
feel the humidity.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:54 PM
To : Greenguy
yes - born & raised in Lackawanna - moved to Orchard Park in 2001

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:54 PM
From : kristin
did you grow up there?

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:48 PM
To : Greenguy
I quit over 2 years ago & I have a fully stocked bar in my house - lol

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:47 PM
From : kristin
wow and you still live in buffalo? bravery.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:47 PM
To : Greenguy
I quit drinking, but thanks for the offer

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:47 PM
From : kristin
i'll create you an account now and do the research and send you all info you
need ... with your stats from the re-directs and any sales you may have had.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:46 PM
From : kristin
haha, no don't ... seriously a case of Labatt doesn't clear this issue up?

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:46 PM
To : Greenguy
see, now you're making me feel bad

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:45 PM
From : kristin
if there are any sales under your account you will be credited and the email
will go out ... one thing i do want to say is i have been doing this for five
years and it reflects poorly upon me and had i realized all of this, it would
have been handled differently.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:44 PM
To : Greenguy
I'll still get an account - I was really waiting for you to make it right by
crediting me with sales & sending out a corrected email to the webmasters

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:42 PM
From : kristin
at the time, we weren't sure what was gonna happen to the on demand sites, we
knew they were going away and that should have been addressed in the original
email, but after the point of disabling htem we didn't know what to do with
them. so they stayed going for awhile longer and then were just recently
re-directed.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:41 PM
From : kristin
yes, and that was bestmovies ... on demand just transitioned.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:41 PM
From : kristin
nope, i'm just gonna go through my referring urls for the on demand sites that
wer re-directed ... i really dont' wnat to have to make you do anything more

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:41 PM
To : Greenguy
March 31 was last day with TB according to the email

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:41 PM
To : Greenguy
perfect

if I got an Yappo account, would using my TB acct number make it
easier for you to find any sales I sent?

[Greenguy]

.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:41 PM
From : kristin
one thing i do want to let you know of ... the transitioned for on demand just
happened about a month ago, so it's not 6 months of lost tracking.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:39 PM
From : kristin
yes, i am getting that done now as well ...

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:38 PM
To : Greenguy
that's one thing that will make me happy - lol

another would be TB sending
out another email/newsletter clarifying what sites were moved, because I can't
see how anyone would know to removed the on demand links based on that email

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:30 PM
From : kristin
okay i figured it out ... this is what i am gonna do ... i have all the
referring URLs for when the links transitioned ... i'm gonna go through every
single one of them and look for your revid .. any that are associated iwth you
i will give you credit for.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:12 PM
From : kristin
yes, i know you didn't need spam and that's why i said it wn't make it better.
however, i did want you to know that if you were still successful with topbucks
and could see past this issue that i am here to fully work wiht you and try to
make it better. i do understand that you will drop TB and it will be a huge
loss to us adn if there is ever anythign i can do to make it better i would in
a heartbeat.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:09 PM
To : Greenguy
I'm done with Top Bucks

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:09 PM
To : Greenguy
yeah - that's what I wanted to hear - spam me a different program

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:08 PM
To : Greenguy
and it's also bullshit that the domains are still there, that it's not
redirected to yapoo when the surfer clicks the link & that the links all still
read as if they are on the ondemand domains

so if you can tell me how anyone
would have know to remove these links based on that email, I'm all ears.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:08 PM
From : kristin
and send you a case of labatt blue.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:07 PM
From : kristin
however, i know this probably wont' make it better, but if you are interested
in still promoting our VOD, i will create you an account, send you all niched
links iwth your codes and give you an increase in your WM %

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:07 PM
From : kristin
yes and had i written the emial it would have been clarified. i totally admit
to being in the fault on this and again i wish there was omething i could say
to make ti better.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:06 PM
To : Greenguy
that's just it - you never said that the On Demand sites were part of this -
and that's my big problem

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:05 PM
From : kristin
i truly understand your aggravation as my head is about to explode as well ...

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:05 PM
From : kristin
i don't know what to say to make this better ... i really don't and i wish i
had magic answers right now. we notified webmasters with the explaination
giving time to remove links and giving incentives to move over to yappo. based
on the bestmovies numbers and such, we really wanted to offer more tools (rss
feeds, whitelabels, MPGs) and everything we could to make BM and the ondemand
sites convert better.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:02 PM
To : Greenguy
nevermind - I don't need this aggravation

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:01 PM
To : Greenguy
oh that's nice - now my sale totals suck

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 4:01 PM
From : kristin
however, i know it does not make it any better, but your account only sent 9
joins from bestmovies and the entire on demand network since the beginning of
hte year.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:59 PM
From : kristin
honestly all i can say is i'm sorry and there was a lack of communication.
ondemandsites are under the bestmovies and when the entire VOD side moved from
TB to YappoDollars, the on demand sites were included.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:54 PM
To : Greenguy
do you realize that when you say bestmovies, no one knows that you also mean
all the ondemand sites?

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:54 PM
From : kristin
so when we transitioned bestmovies, we emailed all of our webmasters ... three
times actually. we contacted our top 20 webmasters that were actively sending
joins as well

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:53 PM
To : Greenguy
no one else has complained that they were not told about the ondemand sites
being moved?

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:53 PM
From : kristin
but to give you a run-down, bestmovies got lost in the topbucks umbrella of
paysites and we wanted to revamp our VOD side and create an entirely new
program. however the new program runs on nats and not the TB backend.

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:52 PM
From : kristin
yes she hit me up and first and foremost let me say i'm sorry you were unaware
of the change. i personally would have hit you up had i known you were
promoting BestMovies. as a native of buffalo and the trafifc you send, i think
that was owed to you ; )

Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 3:51 PM
To : Greenguy
I posted since Darlene was of little
help:
http://forum.topbucks.com/showthread.php?t=455

[Greenguy]

I have emails too!

From: Greenguy [mailto:blamo@concentric.net]
Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2007 4:01 PM
To: lee@seekio.com
Subject: The On Demand Problem


Hi Lee -


I'm writing to you about this Best Movies / On Demand problem. I'm
sure you already know that I'm upset because no one ever told me (or
any webmasters) that these sites were being moved. It also concerns
me that you can't tell that the site is no longer there if you go to
it via the referral code:
http://www.ondemandamateurmovies.com...opop=1&nopop=1
As you can see, you're not redirected to Yappo & every link on the
site has my 1062 code in it. No one would ever know that they are no
longer being credited with sales from these sites.


Darlene was of little or no help. She passed me off to Kristen, who
wants to credit me with 1 Best Movies sale, even though I keep
telling her I have no problem with the bestmovies.com site, since I
pulled the links when I got the 1st email back in March.


I really think that Top Bucks needs to:
1 - send out a mailer about the OnDemand sites no longer being in the
system so that people can finally pull their links.
2 - credit all webmasters with estimated sales based on what they
made the 10 weeks prior to the day the sites were closed (or
whatever the time frame is)


In all honesty, the only reason I have not brought this up on my
board (where it'd get more attention) is that you are advertising
there & I have a long relationship with Top Bucks that, up until now,
has had zero problems. I only posted on your board because I was
getting nowhere with Darlene. I hope that you can see how horrendous
an oversight this was & that my suggestions make sense.


Sincerely
Mark - Greenguy

From: "Lee Bucyk" <lee@seekio.com>
To: "'Greenguy'" <blamo@concentric.net>
Cc: "'Jenn'" <jenn@seekio.com>
Subject: RE: The On Demand Problem
Date: Thu, 21 Jun 2007 08:49:53 -0700
X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 11
Thread-Index: AcezjurWyfTNrEU9R9icffMYkxcZ+gAiQlcQ


Hey Mark,


Thanks for the note and yes, I've been discussing this with Kristin and also
Jenn (Do you know Jenn? She my Operations Supervisor). Sorry you didn't get
the answers you needed from Darlene. She is new to the team and industry so
she might have been a bit confused (not sure she was on board when we did
this). As a side note, please always feel free to hit me up for what you
need--I'm happy to help.


We are in fact, in the middle of drafting a new mailer to wm's regarding
this situation. And, I've got Jenn looking into some stats today re: the
wm's who promoted, their avg sales etc to try to get a handle on the
financial impact should we choose to do that. I also understand Kristin is
crediting you for your sale.


Mark, I do appreciate hearing your concerns and yes, we probably could have
handled this better. We were in the middle of a re-launch and I also think
there was some miscommunication on our end--and lack of clarity to
webmasters. You are correct in that we've always had a good business
relationship and I'd like to continue our relationship. That aaid, please
next time just hit me up personally on things like this. I would appreciate
that prior to you posting on the forum. We do care about our webmasters and
have always tried to "get it right".


I am available if you want to chat further about this. Hit me up via email
or on ICQ anytime (263003699).


My best,
lee

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Kristin

Money over morals ...

Who the fuck are you to say that to anyone, especially while considering the SUBJECT OF THIS THREAD? You came here to advertise the fact that TopBucks steals sales from their affiliates via consoles and you're pulling the money over morals card on someone else. Amazing.

Originally Posted by Kristin

So you just have a problem with non-in network exits and it stealing your money, gotcha.

How many webmasters do you think would use console links if they knew that the consoles were competing with them for the sale? Are you really surprised that anyone would be aggravated by having their potential sales stolen by the sponsor they are attempting to promote? You couldn't possibly be that ignorant.

Originally Posted by Kristin

The pop-under won't be back and posting about an exit opening is only sleazy to you because you don't believe in how we do our exits.

It's sleazy because you are waving a sales stealing device in front of your affiliates and basically saying, "if you don't like it, go screw." I'm shocked that your every post isn't, "let them eat cake."

Originally Posted by Kristin

You in WNY too? The cold weather can make one grumpy. : )

I'm grumpy because I'm tired of dealing with incompetent reps who can't see things from the point-of-view of the affiliate webmaster.

FYI: With few exceptions, I've always been a revshare/no console guy.

[Kristin]

Mark, I remember that situation vividly and clearly. I remember missing a department outing to handle that situation. And it was handled. You were credited fully, mistakes happen.

Warrior,
I've ran revshare programs in the past, I know what companies to pick revshare with and the ones to run very far from. MeatCash - should always be on revshare (well until the content didn't update as much), Twistys, SCORECash, DukeDollars, BrutalBucks, VideoBox, I can go on and on. When we work with other companies we utilize the non-console links. If we as a company different offer the option of non-consoles I can see why you would have such strong feelings. But some WMs just want the extra money, so it's their choice. The exits don't really compete with them because they were leaving the site anyways. If the WM truly had issues with the exits they'd use non-console links, which most do.

If you truly believe that I'm incompetent then I'm sorry you have the misfortune of never dealing with me. You'd probably find I'm quite competent and have established myself in this industry by the amount of knowledge and my ability to work with pretty much anyone and get the them what they need.

[hashbury]

Everything said above aside.
Is it just me or does selling your exit console's seem like shooting yourself in the foot. If you would rather sell your exit consoles to other webmasters/sponsors and not promote your own sites, What does this say about your programs. Its easier to sell ad spots than your own sites? Your a company and should be promoting only your company, right?

[Useless]

Originally Posted by hashbury

Everything said above aside.
Is it just me or does selling your exit console's seem like shooting yourself in the foot. If you would rather sell your exit consoles to other webmasters/sponsors and not promote your own sites, What does this say about your programs. Its easier to sell ad spots than your own sites? Your a company and should be promoting only your company, right?

http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...d.php?p=444284

[Greenguy]

Kristin - Top Bucks has yet to send out an email/newsletter notifying webmasters that those sites were closed & that the links were redirected to a new program where no one got credit for the sales.

It's not about me & the few sales I may or may not have made. It's about every other Top Bucks webmaster that sent at least 1 hit to any of the 20 site since June 2007.

The way those site were closed & no one was informed is the reason I will NEVER use Top Bucks again. After all, what's to stop you from closing another 20 sites, stealing all the traffic & not letting anyone know?

[Kristin]

The amount of joins that went to BestMovies daily was minimal. When we first did the switch we reviewed all of our top accounts that had joins. They were contacted ... again there were minimal joins.

I'm done discussing this issue because I prefer to not waste my time on people who will continually tell me they are done promoting TopBucks. I could spend that time making other deals or other WMs happy.

[Greenguy]

Yeah, why try to smooth over an existing problem - that's brilliant customer support

And for the record, I'm not talking about Best Movies - it's the closing & stealing of traffic for the 20 "On Demand" sites that Top Bucks has still not informed it's webmasters about.

[GonZo]

Dos Tip -
Its cheaper to keep the partners you have than acquring new ones.

FREE KEVIN HO ! ! !

[Kristin]

Yes, I know about CS and I know about how keeping an existing customer works.

When I'm told "I will NEVER use Top Bucks again" how much more energy do I have to use? I've tried speaking to them on ICQ and thought it was resolved. I've explained it, the email was sent.

I explained it to you that day like Lee and Jenn did as well. How much more time do you want to waste on this subject if you'll never promote us again? I tried to smooth things over with you Mark and thought I had.

And stop saying there was never an email sent. It was sent stating this change would take place on March 31st and to change your links appropriately. You even apologized to me!

"Date : 6/15/2007 Time : 5:21 PM
To : Greenguy
sounds good

I gotta fly - dinner time - thanks for taking care of all this &
sorry I'm such an ass"

[MeatPounder]

Originally Posted by Kristin

And stop saying there was never an email sent. It was sent stating this change would take place on March 31st and to change your links appropriately.

What part of

Originally Posted by Greenie

And for the record, I'm not talking about Best Movies - it's the closing & stealing of traffic for the 20 "On Demand" sites that Top Bucks has still not informed it's webmasters about.

Don't you understand?

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by Kristin

And stop saying there was never an email sent. It was sent stating this change would take place on March 31st and to change your links appropriately. You even apologized to me!

HOW FUCKING STUPID ARE YOU?!?!?!

The March email said that BestMovies.com was closing. It said NOTHING about the 20 On Demand sites:
On Demand Amateur Movies
On Demand Anal Movies
On Demand Big Cock Movies
On Demand Big Tit Movies
On Demand Blowjob Movies
On Demand Broadband Movies
On Demand Cum Shot Movies
On Demand Ethnic Movies
On Demand Fetish Movies
On Demand Gang Bang Movies
On Demand Gay Movies
On Demand Her First Movies
On Demand Interracial Movies
On Demand Lesbian Movies
On Demand Milf Movies
On Demand Pornstar Movies
On Demand Public Movies
On Demand Reality Movies
On Demand Shemale Movies
On Demand Teen Movies

To this day, my link codes for these sites still work:
http://www.ondemandamateurmovies.com...opop=1&nopop=1
Of course, I get no credit for any sales generated by them because you STUPID FUCKING MORONS never correct a problem I found 20 months ago.

So please, tell me again how this problem is resolved. How it's ok for Top Bucks to STEAL traffic. How webmasters were notified about 1 of 21 sites being closed.

How do you live with yourself?

[Kristin]

I spoke to Mark off the boards and I did apologize for wanting to shut down the whole issue if they were WMs that didn't promote us.

That was a little harsh on my part and shouldn't have been said. I've worked with people who don't promote us and sometimes for good reason. I should have opened it up to more suggestions rather than shutting it down. If WMs don't promote us for a reason and I should have been more open to hearing what we could to prevent this or other WMs not wanting to promote us. As for the OnDemand links and shit. Yes, that was not included in the email and i apologize. this was done as the transitioned happened and there was a lack of communication on TB's side. as for the other newsletter getting sent out, we thought it did. I guess not and that's a separate issue we need to deal with here.

I'm not evil, incompetent and I do care what the WMs think, so my apologies on that end. I hope this can be the end of it ...