Maybe I shouldnt post when I take a shot of good whiskey - but here goes:
This is all a load of crap! That thread on WMW is just a bunch of whiners who dont know the first thing about how Google works blaming their misfortunes on the first thing they could come up with - and then the other people that couldnt explain their drop joined in on the chorus - and theyre all full of shit. The reason they got booted is because theyre all scrapers and cheats that used techniques they had read about on WMW that supposedly got you better rankings instead of just building quality, well thought out sites.

As far as this whole recip issue - it also is a load of crap - although I really dislike the scrolling recips with 20 links in them, Ill be damned if Im going to spend day after day hunting down which LLs are in the recip tables of my submitters (unless its a LL Ive banned and they all know who they are) and counting the number of links they have in the recips - its BS and doesnt make a damn minute difference in SE listings whatsoever.

Starting in August, searchenginenews.com has been reporting that sometimes the wrong inbound links can hurt you.

This month in their newsletter they make the comment

I have been reading this magazine for years, they do a lot of research on the search engines. Maybe it is all crap, maybe none of us will get burned because we aren't scrapers, but personally I'd rather err on the side of caution, then get tossed out of the SE's. Been there, done that, got the T-Shirt. Don't plan on doing it again.

And I'm glad you posted Linkster, helps keep it all in perspective, and gets different opinions on the topic. I'm a hell of a lot more sensitive to not pissing off the SE's given my history, so sometimes I over react to possible problems.

*makes note to self*..give Linkster plenty of good whiskey while he's here in vegas and carry a notebook to make SEO notes... |lovers|

Yes, we like custom recips, I never concerned about recips modification, the only thing I asked for is "Porn".

I am confuzed!?!? in my free sites i can only have 2 different LL?

Boss - nahh - what they are saying is that the recips to LLs you have on your warning page can only have 2 links on each recip - some LLs have come up with recips lately that a huge amount of different link urls embedded in them.

would like some clarification please.

Are you refering to outgoing URLS on the recips being more than 2 different destinations or in total (doesnt matter where its going just 2 urls)?
Cuz my table does have 5 outgoing links but that is because it is a table with 5 sections but the outgoing links are to only 2 destinations (index & 1 category page)

The 2 samples you showed had 10 & 4 outgoing links but to all different destinations.. I feel mine is not the same case.

If so then when I am reviewing I will count the number of times I see a sponsor link on any given ad (some have 3-4 for one ad) but is counted only as one outgoing link cuz its all one ad apparantly - will have to start to decline those.

If there is a major complaint because i changed my recips I will have to close submissions again till I redo 75 recip tables which took me quite some time to do since I am so html illiterate.

So would the representative of Penisbot (Kit right?) please clarify their stand on this issue.

- You can only have two different links in each recip ;)

Hi.

I wanna add my thoughts...but need to go to sleep.....so FreeSiteXXX.com and Smutlinks.net will comment soon. ;-)

We agree though....but 2-3 is what we normally allow....more than 3 has been auto-deleted for years....

anyhow....zzzzzzzzzzzzz...and hope to see more of this discussion after football Sunday...

XPorn

This is exactly what I would like to know... Is it fine if a recip has more than 2 links linking to max 2 pages.
As for now I'm adding sites with your recip to penisbot - I hope they will be accepted...

Emerald...

Yours under this new rule is not allowed (as would mine). If in fact this is becomes a new rule.

You have 5 outbound links.

XPorn

I know how many outbound links I have..

that wasnt my question and I am waiting for Kit to respond since she started this thread. I do have 5 outbound links BUT to only 2 destinations . her 2 samples had 4 and 10 outbound links to 4 & 10 destinations. there is a difference.

Hello Emerland. I mean 2 links in total. I can surely tell you, Google don't give you more PR if you will put 5 repeating links leading to couple different pages.

BTW, Why you can't code your reciprocal using two links only?

PS. I can easily modify my links for getting 10-15-20 links back from each submission, but I don't want turn good old free sites to the linkfarms having zero value for Google.

The day when link site owners will order webmasters use new linkfarms will be end of LLs. Do you want it?

On the recip table that I have PB & WP there are 2 LLs that have 3 outgoing links on the recips - rather than changing my tables around, would these particular LL owners have a problem if I unlinked one if they go to the same page?

also, it would be beneficial to all if we knew which LL owners are going to put this rule in place so us subbers can change things accordingly. I submit to over 100 LLs right now, and to be honest, unless it's outrageous I really don't count if they have 2 or 3 outgoing links. 3 seems to be pretty common.

Thanks,
Ponygirl

btw - I use the LLs recips, not my own text ones.

Now I'm totally confused |dizzy| I really don't understand all these posts. So I have to know who runs all the LL's so I don't put them all on one page?

I'm finding it hard enough just to get everyone listed with who they want to be with. I understand the big guys wanting to be listed together, don't have a problem with that at all. But my recipt table is up to 21 now just to keep them all together. Then I have the people you are nice enough to give me partner accounts, they should be listed on a good page also. And of course the smaller link lists who are nice enough to list my sites all the time..it's confusing to me how to please everyone, and give credit to the ones I feel deserve it.

Am I making any sense here? I sure hope so... |dizzy|

This really is getting out of hand and confusing |confused| |confused| for the subers. The LL's are going to have to start telling us who they won't accept on recips with them.

You guys opened this can of worms you need to figure it out. The referance thread http://www.webmasterworld.com/forum30/30575.htm that started this thread 2 days was locked on 16 Aug and nothing since that I could find.

I think this is some kind of a kneejerk reaction and somebody needs to get a grip on reality. I looked at a lot of the major LL's PR today and didn't see any problem, but I'm just the new guy. Just need to know the rules. |huh

The recip table was never made to make google happy or otherwise :)

Can you code 5 boxes on a table recip to be one link? Id be happy to do just that if I could figure out how.

now darn I just read on this thread and noticed I subbed a site with emeralds recip and to penis bot, dont know what to do now..

So is kit saying he wont list any free sites with smut grimlens recip on that free site ?? since there's 5 out going links to her site..

also I been thinking a good while of going to nich recips for my LL..

It's impossible :(

But it's always possible to find alternative way to do something ;)

P.S.: Adult List also agreed with this rule. It's also good linklist.

Same here..I also submited to pernus bot with smut gremlins recip
but is smut gremlins one of the recomended sites on PENISBOT it says something like we suggest you submit the following LLs and smutgremlins is there? THis is tricky man :(

Wonder what should I do...the site is still pending..should i Just downsize smutgremlins recip?

I think I read in her rules no sites will be listed without the new recips...

Smut Gremlin is great linklist and Kit and me too respect Emerald very much as a person.

Everything will be ok if the recips will be changed. So I think there are no reason to delete any links from there.

well then I think it's up to the LLs to change their recips, it shouldn't fall upon the subbers to figure out who has 2 who has 3 links in their recip tables. I agree with more than 4 but could we just leave the ones with 3? There's a lot of large, well respected lists out there with 3 outgoing links.

just a thought
Ponygirl

Hi Emerald! |waves| Happy Thanksgiving.

I respect and admire you so much, I always had fun every time I was with you too, esp. talking about online gaming, lol.

Could you allow those that want to do the 2 links rule to modify your links, esp. in custom tables, so they make the linklists happy like PenisBot, and let the others use your custom recips? Would save you having to redo all of them again.

Something like this:

Smut Gremlins Free Porn
For Women

Which is what I'd do on a for women site, and put something to that effect in your rules, so people have the choice?

I admit personally, I custom do all my recips now, even for my own sites, because I think it makes the boxes look neater.

In light of all the hallaboo regarding the recips I have decided to alter mine once again..

Ponygirl offered to recode them all for me (Bless her heart) and hopefully Kit will let a few slide since this rule came into effect almost the same time I redid my whole site - including the recips - perhaps give the subbers a weeks grace period?

In the meantime as RedCherry suggested - go ahead and alter them to 2 links - one being the category linked to the correct cat and the other linked to my index.

It would be a shame if subbers had to choose between one or the other link list because of this new rule (never even occured to me it was a SE spam) I dont pay attention to SE since it would occupy all my time just to keep up with all the changes.

Im really sorry this has caused some submitters extra work .. was never my intention to make my recips be a problem.. I just wanted a "new" look from the old recips - its 5 boxes in the table, which made me have 5 links

I still maintain the stand that it is only 2 links since there is only 2 destinations.

Free site builders often have 3-4 links on one ad and we dont count that as 3 outgoing links! - would hate to see that come up as a new rule.

New recips will be posted soon .. and again thank you Ponygirl for offering to recode them for me :)

Emerald

emerald can I just use two text links till you get them changed ? I got a headach looking at the code :D

Lmao Plateman .. I got a headache doing the code!!

Go ahead and make custom recips in the meantime.

Thanks |waves|

I think that the better way to solve this problem for linklist posters is to change recips in their submitters by themselves. When all linklits owners change their recips - linklist posters can take the codes and use new ones.

PonyGirl, that was very nice of you! I feel for you, I just changed all mine on both lists, took me forever.

I try hard to read up on SE stuff, mostly from searchenginenews.com I've been subscribing to them for years. They have been talking about inbound links possibly causing problems for the last few months, specifically having too many with the exact same anchor text. I wasn't too concerned with that until I saw the WMW thread.

I agree that some of WMW's webmasters might have gotten nailed for scraping and basically having items on their sites that make it look like they are are using blackhat or greyhat techniques, so they might have been asking for it.

Then again, why risk it? I get a lot of my traffic from Google personally for my link lists, and would like to keep that.

I think if we all changed up our recip text every month or so, or allowed submitters to change it some, we might be better off in the long run. Less red flags, and more keyword terms for you to rank in per page. Just my 2 cents.

Just read my new tagline, LMAO

MadHatter ought to appreciate that.

Emerald one thing you could do is to nest your recip table into another table and use onmousovers and onclick events...though I don't know if any link lists have problems with onclicks.
Then you can just remove all the links in your table except for the niche specific one (In this example the Ebony porn takes you to the niche page) and use the onclick to send to your index.
I did a quick sample here with the added table with the java events in red in the code

2 Emerald
Would you mind if I will use recip like this

Smut Gremlins

Free Movies, Pics & Vids...

BLOWJOBS

I just edited your standart recip to fit all new standarts on LL's. I think it's nice! |thumb

Ponygirl...very sweet darlin |thumb

I'll chime in here...I have absolutely no problem with 3 or possibly even 4 if it's a good submitter and/or a link site I recognize. But, the ones that I think are of real concern are the ones using 10+ links in a recip...that's just greedy.

I only have 2 links in my recips on Free Porn Post anyway...all text. Submitters feel free to mod keywords as needed, but please keep the links themselves intact.

To side with hoes and penisbot....

FreeSiteXXX.com
ThePornCollection.com
Smutlinks.net
PurePornLinks.com
and
GayPervs.com

Will move to 2 outbound links this week and will also no longer accept free sites with recips to other LLs that have more than 2 links to the LL (cat or otherwise).

I'm sure this will take a while for submitters to phase in, so we will not ban or enforce for a small grace period.

Thanks,
XPorn

MeatPounder: Hmm that seems to work and I will play around with it some .. this might be my solution to maintain my recip table as it was intended. thanks!

!stinger: Im not keen on that recip as it doesnt look like my new recip table at all - use the new recip tables i made but remove 3 outgoing links (keeping one to index and one to category) the free porn on the sides shouldnt be linked.

At least till I get the new one up .. I might just go ahead and use Meatpounders example and start changing them now.

Isn't it easier to just remove 3 links? like this: http://www.picprovider.com/gremlin.html ?
I think when some surfer is interested by your moving text and will want to click it he will easily find the link 3mm up or down ;)

Thank you guys for understanding my concerns.
I just figure new rule, but actually don't blacklist SmutGremlins, because I'll sure Emerland will change his opinion. I don't want to break good relations with big link sites.

PS. Again: The day when Google decide the entrance page of usual free site looks like link farm, this day will be last for of LL niche. Let's don't approach it itself. ;-)

kit - Ive posted this elsewhere - but I think that day is already here - I went back to one recip and havent lost any of my category listings in Google - still in the top 10 for almost all of them - and traffic gets better and better all the time from them.
Ive had one single recip for 6 months now and if anything its helped - not hurt