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Hi guys,

I started to build some free sites promoting epic cash and when i went to submit certain link lists wouldnt accept it because i was promoting EC.

whats up with that?

Let's just say that the owner is not the most well liked person in the business.

Gotcha GG. I guess ill build for another sponsor. What a waste of time.. lol

BootyBandit

building for another sponsor would be a smart move |bananna|

no wonder
 

I just check stats....... never seen any money from them....

is a $$$ matter GG Tommy?

|spam|

i know i have to stay out of this, i know but my noseyness (does that word excist?) is killing me, i always get paid by them? Although there are sponsors i dont get paid from and others do.i am missing something here.....have to find out..........just ignore me, unless you have some info for me|violin|

stuveltje - it has nothing to do with the program itself - hell, they paid me after all the unpleasantness - but the owner is an asshole, plain & simple.

If you want to do business with assholes, be my guest :D

ahummmm i dont believe i wanna do bizz with assholes, cant be good then hee|violin|

I've always thought this whole situation was a damn shame. The sponsor mentioned above has always been my best and they always pay EARLY, not to mention on time.

I build a lot of freesites and it bums me out that I can't use my best converting sponsor on them. It's not just GG's LL either. It's a couple others.

I have raised this question before and there seems to be no answer than to just use another sponsor. So, very very reluctantly I am doing that. :(

(P.S. Trey has never been an asshole to me. He's very well liked and respected in my book.....this may be an unpopular view around these parts but at least I have the nuts to say it)

Were you here when he shit on the board? On me personally?

I really wish the board didn't crash so everyone could read what went on with their own eyes.

I could really give 2 fucks if people like him or don't like him, but I refuse to support anyone that does with my traffic.

well that is also an issue with me, i had sponsors fucking me but my friends did good with them, i am happy for them and i wont say he thats a shit sponsor, oke i will say that because they where shit to me but i wouldnt say drop them or whatever, mmmmmm would i am bad because i use a sponsor which did something bad to others but still do good for me? i realy dont know what they did, but i geuss its the same as in the cheaters thread, you can post cheaters there, you can blacklist them if you want, even they didnt fuck you but only an other say he, he or she is a cheater, but it dont mean they have to fuck at all lls,.i again i dont know what happend, and i have respect for all even they said fuck them they are bad, i know they have their reasons.......

ah fuck i believe we posted the same time, no i didnt have seen that GG and thats i wanted to know the reason why ,well you just gave me a reason and a realy good one,... even i make money with them i am gonna change all nice ....(stu<-scratching her head and thingking fuck i need to change my ll and a tgp)) this way is not profesional and like i said before i know you have a reason, but i didnt know "the Reason" so i couldnt decide, now i know|violin|

I Saw...
I Read...
I Banned..

|pissed|

DD

I think any TGP owner has the right to do whatever they want with their TGP. But, it just goes to prove my theory that most TGP owners are basically shallow with delusions of godhood. It's one thing to make rules dictating, size of thumbs, number of thumbs and the content in the thumbs. But, when tgp owners start dictating what sponsors a webmaster can use I think its total bullshit. Because a TGP owner has a problem with a site owner it becomes everyone's problem? It's just childish. TGP owners need to pay more attention to accepting good looking galleries that they think their surfers will like and that's it. It's difficult enough in this business without having to keep in mind who has hurt whose feelings and all the bs politics.

I was using a sponsor a few months back that was converting well for me. But, then a friend of mine started having issues with that sponsor. I thought it was bullshit and they were just being cry babies over it, but I like them, so I stopped using that sponsor. Plus they were going to hire me to do some work for them and I didn't want risk loosing out on that work. Well it's about four months maybe five months later, they still haven't hired me to do the work and I lost my best converting sponsor over it. All because I tried to take sides, make a friend happy and so on. In the end, I fucked myself out of some good money. I won't do that again. So when I submit galleries now, and I come to the GG page and I see the excellent specials for paid spots I don't buy them, I will some day I'm sure but so far, I can't get myself to do it because I think why do I want to waste my money on someone who won't even let me use the sponsors I want?

Sure someday, I'll buy a spot one of these days but I'll buy a spot at a whole lot of other places first. Places that don't tell me who I can promote because they got their feelings hurt by a program owner and have decided that everyone must suffer because of it.

Again, I'm not claiming TGP owners don't have the right to say who they will list and why and I never will. You don't want to list someone for any reason, that's your right. It's also my right to think that reasoning may be childish and shallow and makes you no different then the program owner you despise so much.

I remember the whole deal; didn't it cross over on to a few boards? Didn't it end with an apology? Maybe I'm wrong and just remember it differently. But it doesn't matter. The bottom line is that your decision to not allow epic galleries has cost you money, it has cost epic money and it's cost a whole lot of webmasters money.

I like Trey, never had any problems with him. Sure he shouts his mouth off and sounds like an ass sometimes but so what. He pays on time, every time and there's a shit load of sponsors that I'm sure you list every day that don't. But I guess that's ok, as long as they never hurt your feelings.

I'll end this by saying that I have a ton of respect for you in this business. I read your newsletters, I browse the board and I look forward to meeting you someday. You seem like a great guy. But I think it's wrong that you've banned Epic. Mixing business with pleasure is rarely a good thing unless it involves lots of alcohol and boobies.

Just my two cents on it.

although i have alot of sponsors(120+) i had only trouble with 7 , from 7 it worked out with 4, 3 fucked me, the one who learned me this bizz 3 years ago, said to me oke that sponsor fucked you, i will drop them i said why?? why the fuck drop a money income who fucked me and not you, it gives you money? he said your my friend i said oke, but the sponsor pays you and you dont have trouble with him, from that money you buy food and pay bills, why the fuck drop that because the sponsor fucked a friend, are you not in this bizz to make money??? You are in this bizz to make money..........i have respect for all people in bizz, but i think i would need a reason if i wanna drop a sponsor , now what GG mention (i didnt read it) is not a way a sponsor should work so yes i understand his point and on that point i would drop a sponsor, sponsors need to have respect for others too and if there is a problem it would not be disqus(ohe hell late here) in public, not professional( he i am glad i learned something in my time on the net)

That's kind of upsurd really. When I used to purchase for companies I decided who I would buy from based on many factors and one of them was how the company or person did or ran their business. A company had the greatest product in the world, but if I didn't agree with the way they did business they were out of luck.
If that's a god complex or being shallow, I don't think you have 1 iota of a clue as to what how the business world works.

Dangerdave, i would agree, now you and GG know eachother a long time, now think of the newbie webmasters and people who are not that long on the net, they dont know and dont understand..........just my opinion, bare me |violin|

WOW! I don't know where to start with the corrections!

1 - I run a Link List, not a TGP - there is a differance :)

2 - I have no "paid spots" let alone "excellent specials" - everyone gets their Free Sites listed the same way.

3 - Here's the apology I got:
http://www.justblowme.com/showthread...light=greenguy
Nice, huh?

4 - like I said before: "it has nothing to do with the program itself - hell, they paid me after all the unpleasantness - but the owner is an asshole, plain & simple."

Is there any other unpleasantness from my past that we can bring back up? Like the time I was a drunk newbie & told RB from Max Cash off? :D

Damn GG guy was flaming.
This business is such a soap opera sometimes. Makes me wonder how guys like him would make it if they had to work in the real world.

As I recall, it had nothing to do with how Epic did business. It was over personal issues. It's one thing to be able to read a post and respond to it. It's another to be able to be able to comprehend what you're reading. I suggest that maybe you work on your comprehension skills a bit before you respond again. |waves|

oke i am out of this thread
i know enough, i dont wanna piss people off, i just give my view..(me have to change some things)|violin|

Well again....what does that have to do with ME? LOL sorry to be so harsh, but it's the truth.

Actually in fact, I can somewhat understand speaking of your LL because I know you had a personal altercation with Trey. If I were in the same position, I would probably ban his program on my LL too. But when other LL owners start banning the program just because of something you personally had with Trey and they didn't.....one word: sheep.

And all us webmasters are made to suffer.

EDIT: It just really sucks, is all I'm saying. I'm losing money with my best converting sponsor because of some little childish spat. I don't know what went on, I really don't care to know what went on. But when it affects me personally, then I get concerned.

Anyhow they are your sites. You make the rules. I am now using other sponsors.....but it still sucks big time.

Opinions are fine... we all have em....


But this thread is a waste of time...

We all ban various people and programs for various reasons... and it is rarely OPEN TO DISCUSSION!

Anyone that has a problem with EC being banned needs to learn to live with it and move on...

DD

Just some points to be clear about

His apology was
Fuck You
how do you like that for an apology greenguy and pedospeed?

More of his comments about Greenguy
he banned me for calling him a sellout, so i banned him right back!
lol
that fat lil mushroom with that hideous green sweater makes me want to puke

other than that idiot greenguy who wont list me because he has personal issues with me. that dumbass was converting great making $30 a sale and he let his emotions get in the way of business. not a smart move, but whatever.. sponsors are a dime a dozen.. just hard to find the quality ones.

And then there is this

http://forums.femalewebmasters.com/s...?threadid=2470

My own comments about the situation
He claims to be a good businessman but isn't having some sort of people skills also part of business?

He calls people he gets pissed off at pedophiles, he is an admitted drug addict and an all round asshole. With affiliate programs going out of business these days, do you really want to put your eggs in that basket? Not me...

That's where you're a bit off base, because the Link Lists & TGP's that banned him did so because they were here watching the thread as it happened.

I have no control over what people do because they heard things after thew fact :)

i know , i know they are banned at your site and a GG for some time already( i even pmd you some time ago to remove a site of mine because i was changing it to *****(lol i did the *** myself now) , i never knew the reason, this thread made me nosey again, and now i know the reason and i respect that............mmmmmm i said i was out of this thread, oke i am not here!!! Have a good one all !! promoting them or not!!|violin|

That is utter bullshit! I/we didnt ban EC because they were "mean to Greeny"
I banned them because they were assholes I didn't want to be associated with.

While my lists remain mine, and my traffic remains mine, I wil do/list/promote exactly who I want to..... What I do is dictated by ME!

DD

Thanks for posting that. I think I recall reading that before. As for me it just makes me laugh. But I don't recall all the drama word for word. I do remember it was harsh on both sides.

I will say, if Trey never did jump in and give or at least have one of his people try to make things right with you then he should have. I am in no way saying Trey is the innocent in this. I'm saying the people who promote him are and the people who submit to you are. And that you're basically making the rest of us pay for your issues no matter how justified they may be. You're making your problems my problems and until I at least get dinner and a movie from either one of you I don't want the burden lol

As I said before, it's your site and you can run it any way you want. It's just that where is it really getting you? Has it helped your bottom line at all?

I think that it's great he paid after all of that. Imagine if he took it like you did and held a grudge. But, no, he didn't. Business is business, you earned the money and you were paid for it. Then he gets banned. Sounds fair to me.

You mentioned something about bring up old news. I agree, it is old and it does suck when people keep bringing up the past. But, can you blame you them? Some of your loyal submitters still have issue with it and wish that you would take the high road and let it go.


On a side note. Thanks for not flaming me. This thread was linked from my board and after reading it I felt a rant coming on. I couldn't help myself. I have rant issues. They control me. I try to stop myself but I just can't. Besides, it gave me a great excuse to jump in here and start posting. I've meant to a 1000 times before and just hadn't yet. Actually I posted here once before but I guess it got deleted with the board issues you mentioned, it was a while ago.

Well then if I'm wrong, then I'm wrong. Like I said, I never saw the events as they unfolded. Hell, I don't even know what the spat was about in the first place.

I just wanna make money. :D

Well Dave, unfortunately that's what I heard. I can only go by what I hear since I didn't see it first hand.....I know, you can't always rely on what you hear.

But as it was told to me....GG had a fight with Trey and then he sent out a bulletin over the LL owner newswire to start banning Epic Cash. :D (of course that is a sarcastic joke).....but I was told by a few LL that they ban Epic because of GG....perhaps yours is not included, but they do exist.

Here's the bottom line, because this thread is basically just a waste of time & oddly enough, it's EXACTLY the way they promote themselves - bad press is better than no press :)

I don't really care who uses or doesn't use their program.

I don't really care who likes or dislikes him or his program.

I could give 2 fucks either way.

But, since the Link O'Rama is my site, I will do whatever the fuck I want on it & one of the many, many absurd rules I put in is that you can not promote his program via my site.


Is Kevin from Florida around anyplace? Maybe we can rehash that whole episode while were still brining up things that happened over 1 year ago :D

I never disputed that fact. I stated it many times. I even said if I was in the same situation, that I would probably do the same thing.

My point is, it sucks that the innocent webmaster has to suffer for it. Surely you can see that. I'm not asking you to change any rules or anything. I'm just saying it blows and I wish it weren't the case. < /the end>

LOLOL NO but here is a picture of his girlfriend!

|goodnight

DD

Jen, there are a lot of good sponsors that are not run by unprofessional assholes.

Bingo.

JenC - I do see your point, but you can make that exact same argument for just about every rule on every link list.

I'm sure a lot of "innocent" webmasters use new windows & consoles, but I won't list your site if you use them.

I'm sure a lot of "innocent" webmasters use counters, but I won't list sites that have them.

I could go on & on & on...... :)

And I have to put it in there on the rules page because if I didn't, people would bitch that theit site didn't get listed & then I'd have to explain that was the reason & there'd be more bitching.

Everyone adjusts their own marketing policies based on the other site that they are hoping to get lsited with - you have to do certain things so that SE's list you. You have to do certain things so that TGP's will list your galleries. You have to do certain things so that Link Lists will list your free sites - this just happens to be one of those "certain things" when it comes to me listing your site.

BTW - No hard feelings at all |shake|

I completely agree it's your site; you can do whatever you want. Preach on brother man!

Who cares about those darn submitters any ways. I think you should take it a step further and just go ahead make a list of approved sponsors and only list them. This way we don't have to learn to read your mind and guess who else you like and don't like. Maybe make a list while you're at it of hosts you like and content producers, site designers and browsers we can all use when viewing your sites. That'll show'em because damn it your site!

I'm just giving ya a hard time. In all honesty, I really do agree, it is your site and no one; absolutely no one should ever be able to dictate who and what you can do on your site. I just disagree with the idea of making the rest of us pay for your issues with him.

No hard feelings either, GG. I'm always fair and see two sides of the story. Trey can be a shithead, but he's always been polite to me so that's all I can go by.

Anyway thanks for indulging me throughout this thread. |shake|