Could somebody look at my galleries?

[Lemmy]

I've been making and submitting galleries for about a month now and it's not going all that well. Only a handful of TGPs have picked me up and I'm not even close to making my first sale.

Some TGP owners (very few) give a reason for rejecting me, but they're never specific; it's always a long list of possible faults, so if someone could take a look and point me in the right direction I'd be grateful.

Below are some of my latest galleries (you don't want to see the first ones I made ). I'm kind of hoping it's because of old sponsor provided content, that would mean the fix was easy. Thanks.

http://www1.paymasterfreehost.com/sm.../dd19-2rss.htm
http://www1.paymasterfreehost.com/sm...2/b01-2ab3.htm
http://www1.paymasterfreehost.com/sm...2/l14-2abc.htm

[Ramster]

Galleries are nice.

Free host is probably a big problem
SexTracker counter might be a problem. Many have banned counters due to popups and other crap.

The big problem can be they do not know you. A high percentage of TGP owners are tired of cheaters and when someone new submits to them they will Very Rarely list them because they have no idea who you are, whether you're a cheater or an honest guy. Then using a free host on top of that doesn't help in my opinion.

[GeorgeTH]

Everything Ramster said (trust him, he's in the submitting biz) plus:
1. on the "Warm Wet Pussy" gallery I would put the recips above advertising - that's where the TGPs want to see it...
2. on the lesbian gallery: if you're using different sizes thumbs put the large ones on top (not bottom) to make a first impression.
3. in general: free hosts without banners are banned almost everywhere because they re-direct your traffic to make money!
4. in general: 3 outgoing links is too much for many TGPs! 2 should do, and nobody clicks a banner above the first thumb...
5. in general: the top banner might clash with another TGP rule: to see the first thumbs (on 800x600) without having to scroll down.
6. in general: get a paid host or try a free one which is respected in the industry (only one I can think of is kinghost @ moment) - you'll be better of with a cheap hosting plan. Bargain if you're only doing galleries; hosts come down in price if you don't want any scripts to run (which you don't need for galleries). $50/month should get you started...
7. go for small to medium TGPs: most of the really big ones have their pool of submitters. Once established and with a good reputation (long term reliable submitter, no games, no 404-redirect of galleries) you then have a better way to approach the big guys.

[Lemmy]

Thanks for input guys.

Nobody knows me, I guess the only way to fix that is to keep on submitting until someone takes notice.

Talking about paid hosting for someone who only does galleries/freesites, what kind of plan would I need in terms of space/bandwidth? What about shared vs. dedicated? Right now I'm making one gallery/day and submitting to about 40 TGPs. Of course I hope to increase that number but at the moment those 40 are the only ones that will accept my submission and are approved by my freehost.

[T Pat]

Hi Lemmy
Hosting is cheap I recomend http://cyberwurx.com they have a plan for like $10 a month then you need a domain name.
I also recomend you set aside an hour on Saturdays for On the bench with Mr. MaryLou you will get to know some successfull webmasters and discover what is and isn't working for them

[STEVEN]

http://www1.paymasterfreehost.com/sm.../dd19-2rss.htm

Use that"warm.." sales pitch + link with the two arrows on the bottom. You only need two outgoing links on that page - it's actually a nice looking gallery.

Avoid using sales pitcehs that push "1000's of pics" etc - make them horny talk up the sex acts (hopefully you tease them on the gallery, the tour makes the join. Hard to tease on a DP site

http://www1.paymasterfreehost.com/sm...2/b01-2ab3.htm
lose the top banner - lose the counter
tighten up the bottom after the counter is gone - again, another nice looking page - does NOT look like a TGP newbie did it.

http://www1.paymasterfreehost.com/sm...2/l14-2abc.htm
lose the top banner again
lose the counter on the bottom

try using less penetration pics - get some teasing going on - start off with them clothed and working towards nudity - 1-2 sextoy snaps at the end, again avoiding penetration. Click line can push the use of said sextoy in many hot and exciting ways.

[GeorgeTH]

Listen to STEVEN, too! Wise advice...

I actually only just checked, and the free host you're using is actually space provided by a sponsor so you should be fine with using it providing you get your own domain!!! Most sponsors providing free hosting (and most other free hosts) permit that you put your own domain onto their server. And these free sponsor hosting services usually don't cheat or 404 stuff unless you're breaking the sponsor's rule(s).

So that'll be only $8/year for a domain registration, and then learn about TGP galleries and get a few submit accounts before you you spend more (as long as you're happy to use this sponsor only for your galleries).

[Lemmy]

Thanks guys, I appreciate your advice. A lot of stuff I hadn't even thought of. I guess I'll be sticking with a freehost a bit longer (if I can get my own domain on my hosts server) while learning the basics.

[selena]

Actually, you'll need to address your hosting situation now. Adult Paymaster is terminating their sponsor free host space. (Login APM and read 'what's new')

I've been where you are, and still am to some degree. I started out using 2 sponsors who offered free space, and had no paid hosting.

Then I added a small virtual account from Webair and began gradually submitting a gallery or two from other sponsors using the free space. I finally got to where I wasn't using one of the sponsor's free host space at all, and APM space only on days when it was time to submit to the Hun.

However, it now appears that I'll be moving my 2 domains off APM and onto paid hosting. No biggie really, outside of I'm not submitting to the Hun on paid hosting. Not at this stage of the game, and maybe not ever.

My advice to you is this: Forget TGP for now and go to free sites. Pick up a small virtual account. You'll need far, far, FAR less bandwidth for free sites than for TGP, so you can pick up hosting that should be $20 or less per month. (Side note: I really recommend Webair. They have great support and will upgrade you with no hassle)

Use free sites to cut your teeth. Utilize the richness of this board in terms of knowledge, resources, and contacts.

Build a hub. You've already got the sites, so it's not a big deal to make your own Link List/Fake TGP/hub/whatever you want to call it.

After you are starting to see some consistent sales with free sites and have fine tuned your marketing approach, *then* return to TGP if you want to. At that point, you'll be designing galleries with a more solid foundation, will make more sales, and thusly be able to cover the bwidth bill that is going to come with TGP.

You could, of course, find another sponsor who offers free host space. I have 2 domains on Serious Coin freespace, and SC has been really good to me. But as soon as I can, I'll be pulling those domains to paid hosting. You just can't get around the fact that you aren't really in control of your business unless you are paying for hosting. Not to mention that if you want to be considered 'for real' by most of the TGP's that matter (and virtually *all* of the LL's) you are going to have to pay for hosting.

I wish you much luck in your business venture

[iwillbenumber1]

Originally posted by Ramster
Galleries are nice.

Free host is probably a big problem
SexTracker counter might be a problem. Many have banned counters due to popups and other crap.

The big problem can be they do not know you. A high percentage of TGP owners are tired of cheaters and when someone new submits to them they will Very Rarely list them because they have no idea who you are, whether you're a cheater or an honest guy. Then using a free host on top of that doesn't help in my opinion.

Your Gallery designs look nice, but the freehost is just a tad slow........

[Lemmy]

Actually, you'll need to address your hosting situation now. Adult Paymaster is terminating their sponsor free host space. (Login APM and read 'what's new')

Yeah, I noticed that too, which is why I was inquiring about paid hosting. Thanks for the tip about Webair, it looks like they have some reasonable deals.

I've got another newbie question related to TGP galleries vs. freesites. While I understand that a gallery listing on The Hun might not be good for a paid account, and also why freesites in general might be preferable to TGP galleries (more pages to put ads on for the surfer to click etc.), I'm not sure I understand why freesites would rack up less bandwith than galleries. Could someone please explain?

[GeorgeTH]

From my limited experience with free sites (my TGP submissions go back to 1998) I can tell you about free sites in general:

1. you get less traffic per site (I think the max. I get is ~5k/listing from link sites considered to be 'rather large'), whereas TGP traffic can be easily 30-100k/listing.

2. listings on link sites are staying longer on the list (typical TGP is 1-3 days on front page, unless you make it onto sombody's 'Top Gallery List'). Niche submissions on link sites can be on the page for up to 2-3 months (depending their niche).

3. Conversions should be better since LL are trying to get a lot more search engine traffic and usually don't skim your link (= send a high percentage to trades).

edit:
4. just looking at my stats - my TGP galleries are getting a lot of traffic from sites where I don't want to get traffic from (like Sexocean.com, p0rno.org, etc.)! There are just too many CJ (circle jerk) sites who simply harvest links of other TGPs. They usually send tons of unproductive hits you weren't looking for.