Blacklisted Reason: Bogus whois

gilbert · 2004-12-02, 03:06 PM

All my free sites was removied from link-o-rama LL. I check my domain in bl.usefulscripts.com and was surprised, when I found entry in the Black List - Blacklisted Reason: Bogus whois.
Domain: all-porno-movies.com

I think, I made good movies free sites, I dont brake any LL rules, so I cant understand the ban reason.
I think, its my private affair what to write in whois data.
In my country not exactly legal this business.
So please, remove this entry, because I losing heart with these things

Greenguy · 2004-12-02, 05:51 PM

Is your domain hosted with Deluxe Pass?

Ramster · 2004-12-02, 09:02 PM

While you are right it is your private affair what you write in the whois database Link Lists are getting bombarded by people who do not read the rules and who are creating several different identities and submitting 5 sites a day.

So bogus whois gets deleted at my site too. However, if you are using your ISP email address and submitting using more than one domain you're fine with me then usually.

RawAlex · 2004-12-02, 10:47 PM

Gilbert, sad for you, the information in the whois is part of a contract. If that information is not accurate, you can lose the domain.

What you put into your whois is up to you. What link list owners decide to list is up to them.

Enjoy.

Alex

swedguy · 2004-12-02, 11:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gilbert
I think, its my private affair what to write in whois data.

Like Alex said, you can lose your domain for it.

http://www.icann.org/registrars/wdrp.htm

Quote:

At least annually, a registrar must present to the registrant the current Whois information, and remind the registrant that provision of false Whois information can be grounds for cancellation of their domain name registration. Registrants must review their Whois data, and make any corrections.

gilbert · 2004-12-03, 05:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
Is your domain hosted with Deluxe Pass?

No, I use paid dedicated server for my domain.

gilbert · 2004-12-03, 05:45 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by RawAlex
Gilbert, sad for you, the information in the whois is part of a contract. If that information is not accurate, you can lose the domain.

What you put into your whois is up to you. What link list owners decide to list is up to them.

Enjoy.

Alex

I agree with you and I know icann rules, but I just think it is not reason to ban domain in LL.

Greenguy · 2004-12-03, 07:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by gilbert
No, I use paid dedicated server for my domain.

How come your DNS has bounced back & forth to their name server a couple times in the last month or so?

gilbert · 2004-12-03, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
How come your DNS has bounced back & forth to their name server a couple times in the last month or so?

I moved my domain from videosz free hosting to paid server from the end of october to present days.
I dont make any changes with my dns from end of october to present day.

P.S. I not realy understand what you ask. English is not my primary language...

Greenguy · 2004-12-03, 10:05 AM

Ok - let's approach this from a different view - your whois says Florida, yet all your IP's are from the Ukraine - so I guess my question is do you live in Florida & if not, why does your whois say that?

hermit · 2004-12-03, 10:19 AM

wow! you link list guys go through your submissions with a fine toothed comb dont you lol. unbelievable...

RawAlex · 2004-12-03, 11:05 AM

hermit, unless there is something else, we don't all spend our days looking at every whois of every site. But I have a whois tool almost always open on my desktop, and I use it about 20% of submissions.

We don't like sending our surfers to bad places.

Alex

hermit · 2004-12-03, 11:18 AM

i dont use anyone elses blacklist or anything like that - i prefer to give everyone an even chance and if they cheat at my site i blacklist them.

but...

wouldnt it be cool if there was some site that checked all the domains that are used to submit sites to say.. green guys link o rama. and they would check to make sure that the whois information was correct before the gallery or free site even made it to the review process. and then other webmasters could use their database of bogus whois domains.

that would put the cheaters out of business no?

maybe they could charge a fee to become a member and use their database? anyways, i think its a great idea to check whois information. im going to start doing it with suspicious galleries myself.

have a good one, rl

gilbert · 2004-12-03, 11:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
Ok - let's approach this from a different view - your whois says Florida, yet all your IP's are from the Ukraine - so I guess my question is do you live in Florida & if not, why does your whois say that?

I answer on this questions in this tread: In my country not exactly legal this business.

Thats the reason of that whois data.

I dont brake LL rules, I dont cheat, I dont made bulshit sites, so why I'm in blacklist?

I think, this is a bad idea to blacklist for bogus whois data. It's not prevent bad webmasters.

GeorgeTH · 2004-12-03, 06:12 PM

I can understand both sides in this discussion:

· the LL (or TGP owner) who tries to check and cross-check all information supplied by the submitter in an effort to keep his listings clean.
With any password or trade application I usually check http://www.whois.sc/ , alexa, and some other sources.

· and coming from Germany (I don't live there anymore) I know about quite a few adult webmasters who got into trouble big time because they didn't lock all their pages with an Adult Verification System, as the German laws require. One guy I know lost all his equipment (worth about $12k), all his licensed content, and is still fighting a lenghty court battle due to this.
So there are many EU webmasters who either have fantasy WHOIS registrations, or in case of bigger sites a bogus overseas company, to run their adult sites - and I guess it's their only option to keep doing this over several years without being shut down!

= I guess this is hard to comprehend for people who don't face problems like this (again - both sides: submitters and reviewers)

gilbert · 2004-12-03, 06:27 PM

To GreenGuy: I complete appeal form and hope, you understand my situation.

swedguy · 2004-12-03, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeorgeTH
= I guess this is hard to comprehend for people who don't face problems like this (again - both sides: submitters and reviewers)

There's a solution to every problem.

Hiding or lying isn't a solution to me.

RawAlex · 2004-12-03, 09:24 PM

George, making up totally bogus information isn't going to help the situation out at all. To be fair, if your country does not permit you to be in the adult business, perhaps, MAYBE, it might be a good idea to engage in a more legal sort of business? There are more than enough people out here making porn sites!

At bare minimum, get a PO box or mail handler in a more friendly country NEAR your country, and register ALL your domains to the same VALID address. Use the same VALID (not yahoo or hotmail) email address on the registrations.

Keep it looking on the up and up, and it is much easier for LL owners to keep up with you.

Alex

Ramster · 2004-12-03, 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by gilbert
I think, this is a bad idea to blacklist for bogus whois data. It's not prevent bad webmasters.

See the problem is IF you are using bogus whois HOW are we to know you are not submitting 5 sites a day ALL using bogus whois info?

Bogus whois in today's market is a valid reason not to list sites.

gilbert · 2004-12-04, 08:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramster
See the problem is IF you are using bogus whois HOW are we to know you are not submitting 5 sites a day ALL using bogus whois info?

Bogus whois in today's market is a valid reason not to list sites.

I think, you guys have more effective measures to catch the cheaters.

And for example: maybe, my friend from florida buy domains for me. All domains on 1 adress. Is this not bogus data?

To RawAlex:
Please, dont teach me, how to earn money to feed my family in my country. Maybe you don't know, how people live with earning 100-200$ (min earning is 30$

) in a month.

I understand LL owners, they want to keep clear their LL from cheaters, but using whois filter is not a solution, IMHO.

Finally, I not brake LL rules, so why am I blacklisted? You can't catch me in braking the rules, because I'm not cheater. I even cant to build 1 site per day (not to mention 2 or 5 sites

), because I try to build no templete sites with some graphics...

Thats all, what I want to say.

Robato · 2004-12-04, 09:48 AM

Im at a loss right now....

I have residence in Florida, Maryland and Japan. I also work from all 3 places....which could mean you would get an ip from both the US and Japan.

I also had some weirdos call me in the past because of my whois info and have since then used domain proxie services.

I can understand if the whois info thing helps stop people from posting more than once....but I dont think thats possible because...
1 - How can you tell someone is using false whois info if they are using ips from the same country

2 - How can you tell if they have say 5 aliases to submit 5 sites a day to your LL if
a) that they use 5 different alias for whois but follow....
b) 5 different dns for those aliases
c) 5 different emails from those aliases
d) 5 different isps such as (aol, msn, netzero, comcast and whoever else)
e)Maybe just to play it safe they use 5 different browsers or created 5 different user accounts on their computer so that you cant track them with cookies or whatever.
f) most important, make sure all isp ip, email ip, dns ip and whois info use same the country

I basically think trying to prevent cheaters by banning false whois is impossible...that is if you can find out that they are using a false whois info. The only way to verify that the whois is not false is to call the phone number and talk to the webmaster.....other than that you can only find out from things such as what country the domain is registered and ban based on country ip range (however what about guys like me that post from Japan sometimes?)

Im not sticking up for this guy as I dont know him, its not my problem. However I do use domain proxie on some of my domains and have been switching all of them in recent times. Is that breaking a rule??

Ramster · 2004-12-04, 10:00 AM

Robato
You can't always tell and because of that there are many people that do get away with it. However there are other things that make us believe the whois is fake. That I'm not going to get into as I like having that edge.

It sucks and is not foolproof but with so many cheaters now we as link list owners need to do what we can to weed out the idiots who cannot follow simple rules.

gilbert
You just don't get it. HOW are we to know you are only submitting 1 site a day when you are using fake whois? You could be right now getting listed for some other domain with a whois in New York.

And don't come back saying because I no cheat. There's no defense for you, sorry.

Robato · 2004-12-04, 10:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Ramster
Robato
You can't always tell and because of that there are many people that do get away with it. However there are other things that make us believe the whois is fake. That I'm not going to get into as I like having that edge.

It sucks and is not foolproof but with so many cheaters now we as link list owners need to do what we can to weed out the idiots who cannot follow simple rules.

so does this mean domain proxie is breaking rules? The service that just about 99% of the registrars offer now to prevent transvestites calling you at 11 pm to ask if they can be in your next update because they dont realize that you are just a webmaster and license your content and you are absolutely not interested in transvestites or getting calls from them. (This happened to me!!)

RawAlex · 2004-12-04, 11:13 AM

Robato, those "domains by proxy" things usually end up in the "suspect" pile. I don't decline sites for it, but it might be the deciding factor on a site that has other issues. As Ramster said, I won't get into what those issues might be.

As for working in Japan, you might want to drop me a PM, I do have an interesting question or two for you!

Being consistant about your submits, using the same email all the time, registering your domains in the same manner all of the time is a good way to inspire confidence. We know people travel, I travel too, and submit from all over the place. But I still use the same email and the same reg info for everything that gets submitted.

Gilbert: Registration of a domain shouldn't be your biggest problem in life. Do something like "domains by proxy" or similar, at least then you whois will be consistant and real. Ask your host if they would allow you to use their mailing address as your mailing address for your registrations. Think of something that would be "useful".

If you can find a solution for this, you are much further ahead.

Alex

2004-12-02, 03:06 PM	#1
gilbert The only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay guys and big fat party animals Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 170	Blacklisted Reason: Bogus whois All my free sites was removied from link-o-rama LL. I check my domain in bl.usefulscripts.com and was surprised, when I found entry in the Black List - Blacklisted Reason: Bogus whois. Domain: all-porno-movies.com I think, I made good movies free sites, I dont brake any LL rules, so I cant understand the ban reason. I think, its my private affair what to write in whois data. In my country not exactly legal this business. So please, remove this entry, because I losing heart with these things

2004-12-02, 05:51 PM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Is your domain hosted with Deluxe Pass? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-12-02, 09:02 PM	#3
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,867	While you are right it is your private affair what you write in the whois database Link Lists are getting bombarded by people who do not read the rules and who are creating several different identities and submitting 5 sites a day. So bogus whois gets deleted at my site too. However, if you are using your ISP email address and submitting using more than one domain you're fine with me then usually. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-12-03, 10:05 AM	#10
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Ok - let's approach this from a different view - your whois says Florida, yet all your IP's are from the Ukraine - so I guess my question is do you live in Florida & if not, why does your whois say that? __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-12-03, 10:19 AM	#11
hermit Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: vegas Posts: 106	hehe wow! you link list guys go through your submissions with a fine toothed comb dont you lol. unbelievable... __________________ Nudity Network - free porn links

2004-12-02, 10:47 PM	#4
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Gilbert, sad for you, the information in the whois is part of a contract. If that information is not accurate, you can lose the domain. What you put into your whois is up to you. What link list owners decide to list is up to them. Enjoy. Alex

2004-12-03, 11:05 AM	#12
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	hermit, unless there is something else, we don't all spend our days looking at every whois of every site. But I have a whois tool almost always open on my desktop, and I use it about 20% of submissions. We don't like sending our surfers to bad places. Alex

2004-12-03, 11:18 AM	#13
hermit Lord help me, I'm just not that bright Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: vegas Posts: 106	xxx i dont use anyone elses blacklist or anything like that - i prefer to give everyone an even chance and if they cheat at my site i blacklist them. but... wouldnt it be cool if there was some site that checked all the domains that are used to submit sites to say.. green guys link o rama. and they would check to make sure that the whois information was correct before the gallery or free site even made it to the review process. and then other webmasters could use their database of bogus whois domains. that would put the cheaters out of business no? maybe they could charge a fee to become a member and use their database? anyways, i think its a great idea to check whois information. im going to start doing it with suspicious galleries myself. have a good one, rl __________________ Nudity Network - free porn links

2004-12-03, 06:12 PM	#15
GeorgeTH Don't let a programmer design your front-end pages! Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: currently on the road in CA Posts: 781	I can understand both sides in this discussion: · the LL (or TGP owner) who tries to check and cross-check all information supplied by the submitter in an effort to keep his listings clean. With any password or trade application I usually check http://www.whois.sc/ , alexa, and some other sources. · and coming from Germany (I don't live there anymore) I know about quite a few adult webmasters who got into trouble big time because they didn't lock all their pages with an Adult Verification System, as the German laws require. One guy I know lost all his equipment (worth about $12k), all his licensed content, and is still fighting a lenghty court battle due to this. So there are many EU webmasters who either have fantasy WHOIS registrations, or in case of bigger sites a bogus overseas company, to run their adult sites - and I guess it's their only option to keep doing this over several years without being shut down! = I guess this is hard to comprehend for people who don't face problems like this (again - both sides: submitters and reviewers) __________________ Have a nice day!

2004-12-03, 06:27 PM	#16
gilbert The only guys who wear Hawaiian shirts are gay guys and big fat party animals Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 170	To GreenGuy: I complete appeal form and hope, you understand my situation.

2004-12-03, 09:24 PM	#18
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	George, making up totally bogus information isn't going to help the situation out at all. To be fair, if your country does not permit you to be in the adult business, perhaps, MAYBE, it might be a good idea to engage in a more legal sort of business? There are more than enough people out here making porn sites! At bare minimum, get a PO box or mail handler in a more friendly country NEAR your country, and register ALL your domains to the same VALID address. Use the same VALID (not yahoo or hotmail) email address on the registrations. Keep it looking on the up and up, and it is much easier for LL owners to keep up with you. Alex

2004-12-04, 09:48 AM	#21
Robato Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: MD near DC Posts: 24	Im at a loss right now.... I have residence in Florida, Maryland and Japan. I also work from all 3 places....which could mean you would get an ip from both the US and Japan. I also had some weirdos call me in the past because of my whois info and have since then used domain proxie services. I can understand if the whois info thing helps stop people from posting more than once....but I dont think thats possible because... 1 - How can you tell someone is using false whois info if they are using ips from the same country 2 - How can you tell if they have say 5 aliases to submit 5 sites a day to your LL if a) that they use 5 different alias for whois but follow.... b) 5 different dns for those aliases c) 5 different emails from those aliases d) 5 different isps such as (aol, msn, netzero, comcast and whoever else) e)Maybe just to play it safe they use 5 different browsers or created 5 different user accounts on their computer so that you cant track them with cookies or whatever. f) most important, make sure all isp ip, email ip, dns ip and whois info use same the country I basically think trying to prevent cheaters by banning false whois is impossible...that is if you can find out that they are using a false whois info. The only way to verify that the whois is not false is to call the phone number and talk to the webmaster.....other than that you can only find out from things such as what country the domain is registered and ban based on country ip range (however what about guys like me that post from Japan sometimes?) Im not sticking up for this guy as I dont know him, its not my problem. However I do use domain proxie on some of my domains and have been switching all of them in recent times. Is that breaking a rule?? Last edited by Robato; 2004-12-04 at 09:53 AM..

2004-12-04, 10:00 AM	#22
Ramster Life is good Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Ottawa, Canada Posts: 11,867	Robato You can't always tell and because of that there are many people that do get away with it. However there are other things that make us believe the whois is fake. That I'm not going to get into as I like having that edge. It sucks and is not foolproof but with so many cheaters now we as link list owners need to do what we can to weed out the idiots who cannot follow simple rules. gilbert You just don't get it. HOW are we to know you are only submitting 1 site a day when you are using fake whois? You could be right now getting listed for some other domain with a whois in New York. And don't come back saying because I no cheat. There's no defense for you, sorry. __________________ Pornstar Legends \| Live Cam Model Shows \| Hungarian Girls Skype: robmurray999

2004-12-04, 11:13 AM	#24
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Robato, those "domains by proxy" things usually end up in the "suspect" pile. I don't decline sites for it, but it might be the deciding factor on a site that has other issues. As Ramster said, I won't get into what those issues might be. As for working in Japan, you might want to drop me a PM, I do have an interesting question or two for you! Being consistant about your submits, using the same email all the time, registering your domains in the same manner all of the time is a good way to inspire confidence. We know people travel, I travel too, and submit from all over the place. But I still use the same email and the same reg info for everything that gets submitted. Gilbert: Registration of a domain shouldn't be your biggest problem in life. Do something like "domains by proxy" or similar, at least then you whois will be consistant and real. Ask your host if they would allow you to use their mailing address as your mailing address for your registrations. Think of something that would be "useful". If you can find a solution for this, you are much further ahead. Alex