How long to submitt?

[tb]

So I am submitting one site a day.

1- Some link lists accept all my submissions.

2- Some link lists accept most of my submissions.

3- Some link list accept enough of my submissions.

4- Some link lists have accepted one of my submissions.

5- Some link list have accepted none of my submissions, but no out right rejection.

6- Some link list have accepted none of my submission and have out right rejected me.

How long do I keep submitting given circumstance #4 and #5

#1,#2,#3,#6 I can work with.

#4 Seems like a game. Give the submitter one accept and the submitter will give you a thirty or forty free recips until he/she gets wise.

#5 Just no news of any kind from these people, do I send them an email and beg for rejection just so I know where I stand?

Your opinions are appreciated as always.
Thanks
TB

[Presmar]

You can always post here and ask why you were rejected. Some link list even have official threads just for this purpose. BTW I do send rejection emails with the reason why it was rejected, if that email is ignored and you continue to submit and haven't fixed the problem then I just hit the delete button.

But if you post your question here with the site url I'm sure someone will help you.


Good luck

[MrYum]

Originally Posted by Presmar

You can always post here and ask why you were rejected. Some link list even have official threads just for this purpose. BTW I do send rejection emails with the reason why it was rejected, if that email is ignored and you continue to submit and haven't fixed the problem then I just hit the delete button.

But if you post your question here with the site url I'm sure someone will help you.


Good luck

That's solid advice given there TB

I too send out rejection/acceptance mails. But, many of the larger link sites simply don't have the time to do so...

Posting here is a great way to find out why your sites weren't listed. It's also a great way for others to see what does and does not make the cut

[tb]

Let me repeat, at the risk of being a pain,
6- Some link list have accepted none of my submissions and have out right rejected me.
As stated, I can live with that, no problem, you don't like my site, you tell me you don't like it, I can accept it and live with it and well maybe the next one you will like and accept. 19 out of 20 list THAT RESPOND accept it, cool , I'm happy.
I am not asking why it was rejected, most often if you follow the rules it is a matter of taste. I love the rejections that tell me the content is inappropriate. Is this the porn biz or what? I am saving those rejections for the day the Smithsonian mounts an exhibit on the dawn of internet porn.
But here is the real problem to be addressed.....and I quote you
"many of the larger link sites simply don't have the time to do so...(send out rejection emails) "
So how long do I continue submitting to a site that does not respond to my submissions or accepts one submission and ignores the next 29.
So my experienced pros,how long?

[wankmaster]

"many of the larger link sites simply don't have the time to do so...(send out rejection emails) "

never quite sure why it takes longer to hit the "send rejection email" button, than it does to hit the "delete" button.

I don't think they sit and write the rejection mail by hand do they?

RR for example always send a rejection and the reason. Helps you for next time.

If they can do it why don't the others?

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To be specific about the question asked, how long is a piece of string?

I'd submit 5 or 6 times and keep checking my stats. If they don't send any hits, or just a few gradually weed em out. But remember it can take a month to get a review at some of em, so you need to be patient.

[Toby]

Originally Posted by tb

...I am saving those rejections for the day the Smithsonian mounts an exhibit on the dawn of internet porn...

Please forgive the interjection of an off topic reply.

I guess it depends on how far into the future the Smithsonian puts up that Internet Porn exhibit, but I'm not so sure I'd consider 2005 as the "dawn". Internet Porn pre-dates the Worldwide Web by over a decade. I remember downloading pics from McHenry BBS, Rusty & Edie's, and others, 20 years or so ago.

[Lemmy]

Originally Posted by tb

So I am submitting one site a day.

1- Some link lists accept all my submissions.

2- Some link lists accept most of my submissions.

3- Some link list accept enough of my submissions.

4- Some link lists have accepted one of my submissions.

5- Some link list have accepted none of my submissions, but no out right rejection.

6- Some link list have accepted none of my submission and have out right rejected me.

How long do I keep submitting given circumstance #4 and #5

#1,#2,#3,#6 I can work with.

#4 Seems like a game. Give the submitter one accept and the submitter will give you a thirty or forty free recips until he/she gets wise.

#5 Just no news of any kind from these people, do I send them an email and beg for rejection just so I know where I stand?

Your opinions are appreciated as always.
Thanks
TB

If you're talking about freesites I'd give it a good 2 months in the case of #5 if it's a LL you really want to get listed on. They may be working through a long backlog and sometimes the wait really pays off.

As for the other cases you mention it has to be your judgement call. I tweak my submit list all the time based on acceptance/rejection/my stats. Ideally I would like to submit to all the LLs out there. Unfortunately there's not enough hours in the day and my style of building freesites isn't always going to match up with the preferences of the reviewers.

[Ramster]

Originally Posted by wankmaster

"many of the larger link sites simply don't have the time to do so...(send out rejection emails) "

never quite sure why it takes longer to hit the "send rejection email" button, than it does to hit the "delete" button.

I don't think they sit and write the rejection mail by hand do they?

RR for example always send a rejection and the reason. Helps you for next time.

If they can do it why don't the others?

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Some don't have time to respond to the emails they get from the webmasters when they do reject them is why they might not send rejection emails. I for one still send rejection emails and I always get emails back asking more and it is time consuming responding!

[ronnie]

I would think if they dont respond to your asking why you did'nt get listed and after a few sites not getting listed, it would be time to move on.

ronnie

[wankmaster]

Hi,

If you submit to RR you get back a reply why you didn't get listed. I guess he's got a series of buttons on his desk, like

"Don't like the content"
"Pictures to small"
"Bad quality pics etc."

So you get an email saying why. OK, not a lot of effort there if you have the right script. You could also add "Sorry but can't reply to specific questions" type of thing.
Then you don't have to answer the "Why didn't I get listed" which you already told em anyway.

As a submitter this is better than submitting and not knowing if you're not ever listed, or if you'll be listed maybe in a week's time when the backlog clears.

Anyway, no criticism implied.
Just claifying what I meant there.

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by tb

Seems like a game. Give the submitter one accept and the submitter will give you a thirty or forty free recips until he/she gets wise.

I see this line of thinking a lot, and I find it highly offensive. I am not playing a game; I'm running a business. It gives me no pleasure to decline a site. I've spent time reviewing the site - my time is worth far more than a single recip will make up for.

I send decline emails to those who opt to accept them. Most problem submitters do NOT accept them - yet they are the first to complain when they eventually get banned due to constantly ignoring my most basic rules.

(That's not directed at you, by the way - I've watched your sites steadily improve; I just don't care for a lot of your content. I always reserve the right to decline sites I don't like - be it for personal, aesthetic, or simply gut-reaction reasons.)

Anyway, that rant really wasn't directed at you. Until you've sat in the reviewer's seat, you can't imagine how unpleasant the job can be. When sites are good, they're great - but when they're bad, they're awful...or something like that.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Mishi

I see this line of thinking a lot, and I find it highly offensive. I am not playing a game; I'm running a business. It gives me no pleasure to decline a site. I've spent time reviewing the site - my time is worth far more than a single recip will make up for.

I send decline emails to those who opt to accept them. Most problem submitters do NOT accept them - yet they are the first to complain when they eventually get banned due to constantly ignoring my most basic rules.

(That's not directed at you, by the way - I've watched your sites steadily improve; I just don't care for a lot of your content. I always reserve the right to decline sites I don't like - be it for personal, aesthetic, or simply gut-reaction reasons.)

Anyway, that rant really wasn't directed at you. Until you've sat in the reviewer's seat, you can't imagine how unpleasant the job can be. When sites are good, they're great - but when they're bad, they're awful...or something like that.

Great post..

ronnie

[tb]

Originally Posted by Mishi

I am not playing a game; I'm running a business.

I send decline emails to those who opt to accept them. Most problem submitters do NOT accept them -

I have changed my profile on your site to now accept declined sites emails.
Sorry about that, a newbie oversite.

However I never considered your site to be among those that my questioning was directed at.
On login your site gives the submitter updated stats on where they stand, and that's all I am asking for. I applaud your efficiency.
Here is an excerpt from your site on login:
Here Your Statistics:
• Your last visit was May 22, 2005
• Your status is Active.
• You have 12 sites in the database.
• 3 sites are listed.
• 1 sites are pending.
• 8 sites have been denied.
• 41 clicks have been sent.
• You will be notified when a site is approved or denied.

A simple summary like this rates a 10 out of 10 in my books. I know exactly where I stand.

The problem I have is I submitt 25 times to a site and never hear a peep from them. Just like you, my time is valuable, I am not playing a game; I'm running a business, and I would rather not waste my time and money submitting to a site that has no interest in my stuff.

[Mr. Blue]

Originally Posted by tb

The problem I have is I submitt 25 times to a site and never hear a peep from them. Just like you, my time is valuable, I am not playing a game; I'm running a business, and I would rather not waste my time and money submitting to a site that has no interest in my stuff.

Why are you waiting for someone to contact you when you have the information right before you?

Check your stats. Be proactive and check for yourself whether a LL is listing you or not...if they're not, drop 'em. If they're a big linklist that you want to be on, post and ask the reason why you're not getting listed.

Instead of blindly submitting and waiting for someone to contact you check your stats and know where your hits are coming from...most LL's will accept or decline you max in about a week. Submit a page, check your stats daily, keep submitting...repeat process...within a month's time you'll know who's accepting you, who's not, and where your best traffic is coming from.

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by tb

I have changed my profile on your site to now accept declined sites emails.
Sorry about that, a newbie oversite.

No worries - I didn't take it as directed at me. I just saw an opportunity to rant, and I took it.

Glad you like the stats!

[tb]

Originally Posted by Mr. Blue

check your stats and know where your hits are coming from...

Hello Mr.Blue
First off, I totally agree with what you are saying.
Second off, I am going to ask you the ultimate newbie question.
Where exactly am I checking these stats?
My sponsor stats only show my own refering pages, and I am not supposed to be running a counter on the free web sites.
What am I doing wrong?

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by tb

Hello Mr.Blue
First off, I totally agree with what you are saying.
Second off, I am going to ask you the ultimate newbie question.
Where exactly am I checking these stats?
My sponsor stats only show my own refering pages, and I am not supposed to be running a counter on the free web sites.
What am I doing wrong?

He is saying to check your stats on your server, your host should provide some kind of stats. AwStats is one of the better ones and shows more referering urls.

ronnie

[tb]

Originally Posted by ronnie

He is saying to check your stats on your server, your host should provide some kind of stats.

Thanks Mr.Blue, Thanks Ronnie. Thanks to all of you who contributed and helped me.

Now, as I sit here and bang a 2 x 4 over my newbie head, I remember some kinda a famous quote about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Thanks to all of you that fly in helicopters.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by tb

Thanks Mr.Blue, Thanks Ronnie. Thanks to all of you who contributed and helped me.

Now, as I sit here and bang a 2 x 4 over my newbie head, I remember some kinda a famous quote about not being able to see the forest for the trees.

Thanks to all of you that fly in helicopters.

We've just been here longer, already learned from many mistakes, least I have..

ronnie