Blind links ?

[Roni20]

Hi

I try to do my freesites the best i can, buy i have some problems with blind links, maybe i don't understand an idea of it. For example

"Real live CHAT WITH BUSTY GIRLS
IT WILL BE HUGE SUPRISE FOR YOU"

is it blind link?

What to add to text links, to be acceptable and will not blind ?
These most be and address os site or title or some name of paysite, or only for example

"Get access to Real live CHAT
WITH BUSTY GIRLS
IT WILL BE HUGE SUPRISE FOR YOU"

Please explain me once and never more, im little sick of it.

Regards
Roni

[flyeruk]

In my opinion, the best thing to do is use the sponsor name in your text.

Examples:

Visit SPONSOR NAME to chat with real live busty girls today...

Busty girls wait for you at SPONSOR NAME

As long as the surfer knows that by clicking your link they're goint to a pay site, then it's not considered blind.

Lisa.

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by Roni20

"Real live CHAT WITH BUSTY GIRLS
IT WILL BE HUGE SUPRISE FOR YOU"

Ron,

Try to guess where this goes if it was a link:

"click here for super hot porn"

does it go to www.superhotporn.com? or maybe www.hotpornbabes.com?

If you cant tell where a link goes by just reading the text, then it's blind.

[ArtWilliams]

To me a blind link doesn't go where it suggest it should ...

Next link ... gives you ... not more free porn but sponsors

... same thing with a More link

Google link ... gives you porn ads

These to me are blind links.

---art

[Ramster]

When you suggest the surfer will get "More" meaning free and you send them to a pyasite then it is a blind link. Even if they have free samples or teaser chat we all know eventually it is not free.

Your examples above I wouldn't say are 100% blind links. They are borderline. I'd have to see the site and the context of where that text is located. When you say "Get access to..." that is fairly clear and not blind for the most part.

[ponygirl]

I agree with ramster - I see a lot of text links that are really walking the line...whether or not the site is accepted will often depend on other factors too.

If you put a "Join here" even without the sponsor name, I would feel better about it. eg: "Real live CHAT WITH BUSTY GIRLS
IT WILL BE HUGE SUPRISE FOR YOU - JOIN HERE"

It's hard cuz being in the business it's pretty obvious to me; even for seasoned surfers I think they realize that when they click a link they will be asked to eventually cough up some cash. Try to put yourself in the mind of a newbie surfer who has never seen this before then you get an idea of what is blind.

just my $0.02

Ponygirl

[Surfn]

I agree. Not good to try to trick the surfer. I had one submit that had a link to a sponsor. It was clear that is where you were going. However it ended with "... for a free video". So I clicked and no video, clicked on the tour page, no video. I clicked a link on the tour page "free video" and there was a video. That stretching it too far in my opinion. I did list the site but I would hesitate to do it again.

[ArtWilliams]

Also, the people around here (GG&J's) who are successful at this business run honest LL and create fair free sites. I think there is a lesson to be learned from this.

---art

[Jeremy]

YNOT 97.

If a link reasonably accurately describes what the surfer will find when they click the link, it cannot be blind.

"More" is not defined as "free" in my dictionary.

If link says "free" and the site you end up at isn't actually free, or you can't get "free whatever" within one or two clicks then it's blind.

If a link says "enter" anywhere on the warning page and it doesn't go to the next page of the site, it's blind.

If a link says "next / main / back" or any other commonly used navigation terms and it doesn't go to a page on the same site, then it's blind.

If a link says "more" and the surfer can get more of whatever it is they're after then it cannot be blind, irrespective of whether or not they have to pay for it.

[Wazza]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

YNOT 97...

Get a haircut and have a shave and change out of that tacky moleskin tracksuit you wannabe Scot |king|

[ilikexxx]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

YNOT 97.

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If a link says "more" and the surfer can get more of whatever it is they're after then it cannot be blind, irrespective of whether or not they have to pay for it.

I agree with that.

[The Cucumber]

Hi all,

got an issue with blink links to, I've been loose about this on my link list since I started it.
But now, about two years later it's pretty much like a colander.
So, now I reject about everything that looks like a blind link...result...I get flooded with emails of submitters telling me I'm to strict and I don't understand the meaning of a blind link.
Therefor, I like to check up with the world
These are examples of what I call blind links "Jane`s complete movies and picture sets", "Click here for more Jane`s pissing pics!" and "This nasty girl is waiting for you to piss on her!".
This guy is telling me that they are not blind because you can find her complete set inside the members section.
Am I loosing it or are those links blind?

[plateman]

IMO if it dont say the pay site or the site isnt mentioned somewhere very close to those phases it blind..

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by ilikexxx

I agree with that.

I don't agree with that.

I don't really care if a link says "More free videos at xxx.com" and there's no video there at all. It's deceptive text but it's not blind, because it tells you exactly where the link is taking you.

On the other hand, if it says "More free videos click here" and that takes you to a paysite tour with tons of free sample vids, the text isn't deceptive but it's clearly blind beause the link doesn't specify the destination.

Now, if there are banners nearby and the banner mentions the paysite name, or if the free site only promotes one paysite and drills the name of the paysite into a surfer's head by the main.html page, then there's no need to mention the paysite name every time you link out.

When I link out to a hub page, I personally spell out the domain name in the link text or use alt/title combo to display the domain name on mouse hover instead of just writing "click here for more pics."

The goal is to make surfers feel comfortable about clicking links without worrying about ending up god-knows-where or stuck in pop-up hell.

[rscott]

Timely thread, I just grabbed some banners for a site, and they say everything I'd say in text. "Click Here to see...., Join xxxxxx here and see all...." just about everything I'd have to say in text to make sure their not rejected as "blind".

But I still have to add text,

Do we really have to assume that the avg. porn surfer is a total moron when it comes to clicking on banners?

[MrYum]

Yea, I think some of those points made in the 97 article are a bit out of date in todays market. Things have gotten a lot more competitive since 97. While I'm not one to overly coddle the surfer, the surfer has gotten more savy since 97 too. If you want him as a bookmarker, it's probably not in your best interest to deceive or fuck with him.

But then I'm a big believer in pretty much honest straight up advertising. Don't be shy...PUSH his buttons...get him HARD...make the SALE! Tell him where he's going and how great it's gonna be when he busts a nut all over his keyboard But, don't lie or deceive...

One of the issues I see frequently is folks who aren't native english speakers. I've seen links so badly written, I have no idea what they're trying to say. That's almost always an instant decline.

Others, yep...I do understand it...but the link makes no mention of the sponsor. Makes no mention of 'join here' or 'take the tour' or 'see some sample vids here'. There's really no indication that the link leads offsite. That's a blind link...imo.

Just declined a site last night for a link saying 'Free Videos Here'. Yup, I clicked and no there weren't even video samples on the tour. Again, why lie?

I really don't think the surfer of today is as naive as the surfer of 97. Our target market today KNOWS he can find free porn all over the place. Our job is to offer up something so hot and so juicy, he doesn't think he can find it elsewhere. Or, he's so fucking horny...he's got to have it NOW! Damn, I LOVE those kinds of surfers

But then...wtf do I know?! I'm amazed that people still make money with spam and popping consoles on people with blockers installed.

[Useless]

Originally Posted by rscott

Timely thread, I just grabbed some banners for a site, and they say everything I'd say in text. "Click Here to see...., Join xxxxxx here and see all...." just about everything I'd have to say in text to make sure their not rejected as "blind".

If it's on a graphic banner it probably isn't going to be blind.

Originally Posted by rscott

Do we really have to assume that the avg. porn surfer is a total moron when it comes to clicking on banners?

They are.

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

I don't really care if a link says "More free videos at xxx.com" and there's no video there at all. It's deceptive text but it's not blind, because it tells you exactly where the link is taking you.

On the other hand, if it says "More free videos click here" and that takes you to a paysite tour with tons of free sample vids, the text isn't deceptive but it's clearly blind beause the link doesn't specify the destination.

Now, if there are banners nearby and the banner mentions the paysite name, or if the free site only promotes one paysite and drills the name of the paysite into a surfer's head by the main.html page, then there's no need to mention the paysite name every time you link out.

That's my way of thinking.

I hardly every see text on a gallery page that I consider blind because by then the surfer should have figured out the site that is being promoted and how it is being promoted. They've already worked their way to the gallery links, so they're doing just fine.

And as for "View the free vidoes at Paysite.com" and there aren't any videos, well, that's a lie, but I agree with Halfdeck. A lie doesn't make it blind. To me, blind only refers to passing from the free site to another site, not what is on the other site. You could say "Come to Paysite.com and Join for Free" and I don't care if it really costs $30 bucks and nothing's for free. It's horribly bad marketing and it will never produce a sale, but it's not blind.

[The Cucumber]

Personally I don't care about banners to much...aslong as they do not show a 468px wide "enter" img
Actually, when I look at the coversions I have...I really think I get some serious morons on my site

[rscott]

Originally Posted by Useless Warrior

If it's on a graphic banner it probably isn't going to be blind..

So...as long as these banners go where there supposed to, I shouldn't have to ad text for them not to be considered blind?

http://www.cyberlinkxxx.com/asian_wet_sex/1/

[Useless]

Originally Posted by rscott

So...as long as these banners go where there supposed to, I shouldn't have to ad text for them not to be considered blind?

http://www.cyberlinkxxx.com/asian_wet_sex/1/

Those banners are fine all on there own. They're no where near blind. Of course, I alwasy suggest that you add supporting text just to help the sale. Banners themselves tend not to be horribly informative. Pretty and eye-catching -yes. Informative - no.

[Jeremy]

MrYum - my point about YNOT97 is that these same arguments were raging back and forth in 97 on the YNOT board.

8 years later and it's still going strong :-))

Originally Posted by Halfdeck

I don't really care if a link says "More free videos at xxx.com" and there's no video there at all. It's deceptive text but it's not blind, because it tells you exactly where the link is taking you.

[.....]

The goal is to make surfers feel comfortable about clicking links without worrying about ending up god-knows-where or stuck in pop-up hell.

Sorry Halfdeck, either I'm mis-understanding your post or those two ideas don't sit well together at all.

You want a surfer to be comfortable clicking links but you don't really care about whether a link is deceptive. Erm......okay :-)

[MadMax]

There was a pretty recent discussion on what a lot of LL owners consider blind here : http://www.greenguysboard.com/board/...ad.php?t=23441

[Halfdeck]

Originally Posted by Jeremy

You want a surfer to be comfortable clicking links but you don't really care about whether a link is deceptive. Erm......okay :-)

I'm just giving a definition of blind links Jeremy. A definition is not an endorsement of deceptive marketing.

I try to build sites that doesn't bullshit around and protects surfers from popup hell, scammy trials and lousy paysites and send them to paysites my surfers thank me for.

[Preacher]

Originally Posted by rscott

..."Click Here to see...., Join xxxxxx here and see all...." just about everything I'd have to say in text to make sure their not rejected as "blind".
...
Do we really have to assume that the avg. porn surfer is a total moron when it comes to clicking on banners?

I wouldn't consider any banner a blind link unless it looked like clickable thumbs, and I'm probably even more lenient on those then most, so avoid those types of banners -- or it was a giant enter, but that's pretty obvious I would think.

-Preacher

[Roni20]

Thank You, now i know more about it and more understand.

But some links are not blind for one person and are for second, it's the biggest problem.

Regards
Roni