paycounter turned into a trojan?

sabaroth · 2006-02-19, 07:57 AM

Since a couple of weeks I get all kind of warnings when opening a page I have paycounter installed. Also submitting to the hun gave me a rejection for having malicious software. So is paycounter screwing up things lately?

Surfn · 2006-02-19, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by sabaroth

Since a couple of weeks I get all kind of warnings when opening a page I have paycounter installed. Also submitting to the hun gave me a rejection for having malicious software. So is paycounter screwing up things lately?

Yes, never allow exploits. All free counters have some sort of exploit

sabaroth · 2006-02-19, 08:52 AM

Google tells me it is seen as spyware indeed, I am trying sexcounter now but this is also regarded as spyware?

ronnie · 2006-02-19, 09:00 AM

Many places that supply traffic, LL, TGP's dont like out side counters these days, mainly for the reasons you mention. Do you have to have a counter? Server stats are much more accurate and give you more detailed info.

ronnie

sabaroth · 2006-02-19, 09:25 AM

The great thing about a counter like paycounter is it gives me a onepage-overview of all my sites so I can spot any trafficproblem in a second. Serverstats have to be seen site by site which takes me far too much time unfortunately.

RawAlex · 2006-02-19, 03:45 PM

Considering that Sexcounter was all but nailed in the world of trojans and spyware / malware, I can't exactly recomment that you go from one counter to another. You may want to talk to your host about looking for some sort of stats consolidation so you check things out more quickly.

Third party counters are (a) a traffic leak and (b) something on your page you can't control. You are only doing them a favor by having them on your pages anymore.

Alex

GenXer · 2006-02-19, 03:54 PM

Yes, using free counters is a thing of the past. I am taking them off of all of my sites, and the ones I haven't remembered to take them off I will be as soon as I get to it.

I don't trust the exploits and viruses they each have.

Loganp8000 · 2006-02-19, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

Considering that Sexcounter was all but nailed in the world of trojans and spyware / malware, I can't exactly recomment that you go from one counter to another. You may want to talk to your host about looking for some sort of stats consolidation so you check things out more quickly.

Third party counters are (a) a traffic leak and (b) something on your page you can't control. You are only doing them a favor by having them on your pages anymore.

Alex

Any more info on sexcounter would be great! I use them for a few urls. I always wonder if they are shadey! ALOHA

RawAlex · 2006-02-19, 06:23 PM

http://www.google.com/search?q=sextr...en-US:official

I will let you draw your own conclusions.

Alex

sabaroth · 2006-02-19, 07:25 PM

Yup the message is all too clear, kinda suspicious anyway, a counter that is not visible on the page they gotta get their profit from somewhere right?

sabaroth · 2006-02-19, 07:28 PM

Anyway, sometimes I still dream of the days I woke up and checked all my sites with the Cybererotica counter, what was wrong with that? A good counter that also was a banner for a sponsorprogram. Brilliant and never seen again.

RawAlex · 2006-02-19, 08:04 PM

Sab, you won't see it again because it isn't a good economic model anymore. The same reason you don't see new counter programs out there... the economics are no longer right for those things.

Alex

Loganp8000 · 2006-02-19, 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by RawAlex

http://www.google.com/search?q=sextr...en-US:official

I will let you draw your own conclusions.

Alex

Im am not convinced they are talking about sexcounter.com All those links were talking about sexTRACKER anyway. Isnt it possible there was a trojan or worm called sexcounter? I cant find one trace of anyone accusing sexcounter.com of anything. If it is out there I cant find it. Usually if something like that happened, people would talk about it. Especially if it was a webmaster that knew it came from sexcounter.com I can't imagine anyone who would allow that to continue for any amount of time. If anyone has any real links to back up this claim against sexcounter.com I would love to see it! Just took their code off my sites, I want to investigate this further.
ALOHA

RawAlex · 2006-02-19, 09:25 PM

logan, it is a very, very long deal that explains how sextracker did their deal. However, you can look here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexco...en-US:official

and you will see that sexcounter has also been caught up at least a little bit in stuff.

If you have third party stuff on your site, you have to patrol it like mad and make sure they don't take advantage of your surfers. I am just waiting for someone to come out with an RSS worm and then pretty much half the blogs in the world will be fucked.

Alex

Loganp8000 · 2006-02-19, 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RawAlex

logan, it is a very, very long deal that explains how sextracker did their deal. However, you can look here:

http://www.google.com/search?q=sexco...en-US:official

and you will see that sexcounter has also been caught up at least a little bit in stuff.

If you have third party stuff on your site, you have to patrol it like mad and make sure they don't take advantage of your surfers. I am just waiting for someone to come out with an RSS worm and then pretty much half the blogs in the world will be fucked.

Alex

I hear ya, like I said I took all their code off my sites. I never noticed anything strange or suspicous befor. I checked that link too, still can not find anything that specifically points to sexcounter.com in regards to the "sexcounter" virus. I appreciate the heads up anyways! ALOHA

sexcounter · 2006-02-20, 08:01 AM

Good morning everybody.

SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER

Sexcounter has been caught up in no malware/spyware/trojan scandals and never will be. It is an invisible counter which provides NO traffic leaks and you are doing us no explicit favours by using it. We provide this value added service to webmasters free of charge with no hidden agenda.

The only reference you will find to Sexcounter in any antivirus/antispyware/anti(insert another buzzword here) software is with regards to our cookie which some people have decided is evil because it is used to track visitors.

eman · 2006-02-20, 09:15 AM

At least ONE BIG PORN SITE uses sexcounter.

RawAlex · 2006-02-20, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexcounter

Good morning everybody.

SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER

Sexcounter has been caught up in no malware/spyware/trojan scandals and never will be. It is an invisible counter which provides NO traffic leaks and you are doing us no explicit favours by using it. We provide this value added service to webmasters free of charge with no hidden agenda.

The only reference you will find to Sexcounter in any antivirus/antispyware/anti(insert another buzzword here) software is with regards to our cookie which some people have decided is evil because it is used to track visitors.

My point is "what is possible" with third party counters, your included. That Sextracker has done bad in the past, and now paycounter is apparently tripping off alarms is a good indication that third party counters can be used for less than honest means.

Am I saying your counter is specifically bad? Nope. I provided some links for people to go and look and draw their own conclusions.

My link sites and whatnot will not accept any page with a counter on it.

Alex

ecchi · 2006-02-20, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sexcounter

Good morning everybody.

SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER
SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER

Sexcounter has been caught up in no malware/spyware/trojan scandals and never will be. It is an invisible counter which provides NO traffic leaks and you are doing us no explicit favours by using it. We provide this value added service to webmasters free of charge with no hidden agenda.

The only reference you will find to Sexcounter in any antivirus/antispyware/anti(insert another buzzword here) software is with regards to our cookie which some people have decided is evil because it is used to track visitors.

Sorry to sound suspicious, but then what do you get out of it to pay the bill for the servers you use?

Loganp8000 · 2006-02-20, 03:18 PM

Im glad sexcounter came in to ease peoples minds. I always have worried about that, but I think sexcounter is one of the more trustworthy counters! Anyway, i just wish awstats would work with pennywize!

ALOHA

gregtx · 2006-02-24, 12:37 PM

i'll forward this thread to KC.. I think he still owns paycounter

BML · 2006-03-01, 07:51 AM

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Originally Posted by ecchi

Sorry to sound suspicious, but then what do you get out of it to pay the bill for the servers you use?

They can sell advertising on SexCounter.com, or advertise their own products to webmasters.

I also think it sounds fishy, having a totally free counter.
But we've had no problems using it.

2006-02-19, 07:57 AM	#1
sabaroth Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: amsterdam Posts: 21	paycounter turned into a trojan? Since a couple of weeks I get all kind of warnings when opening a page I have paycounter installed. Also submitting to the hun gave me a rejection for having malicious software. So is paycounter screwing up things lately? __________________ Gaia Lives

2006-02-19, 08:52 AM	#3
sabaroth Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: amsterdam Posts: 21	Google tells me it is seen as spyware indeed, I am trying sexcounter now but this is also regarded as spyware? __________________ Gaia Lives

2006-02-19, 09:25 AM	#5
sabaroth Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: amsterdam Posts: 21	The great thing about a counter like paycounter is it gives me a onepage-overview of all my sites so I can spot any trafficproblem in a second. Serverstats have to be seen site by site which takes me far too much time unfortunately. __________________ Gaia Lives

2006-02-19, 03:54 PM	#7
GenXer Are you sure this is the Sci-Fi Convention? It's full of nerds! Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: The U.S.A Posts: 267	Yes, using free counters is a thing of the past. I am taking them off of all of my sites, and the ones I haven't remembered to take them off I will be as soon as I get to it. I don't trust the exploits and viruses they each have. __________________ Top Adult Writing Services icq 375-089-597 Last edited by GenXer; 2006-02-19 at 04:30 PM..

2006-02-19, 07:25 PM	#10
sabaroth Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: amsterdam Posts: 21	Yup the message is all too clear, kinda suspicious anyway, a counter that is not visible on the page they gotta get their profit from somewhere right? __________________ Gaia Lives

2006-02-19, 09:00 AM	#4
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	Many places that supply traffic, LL, TGP's dont like out side counters these days, mainly for the reasons you mention. Do you have to have a counter? Server stats are much more accurate and give you more detailed info. ronnie

2006-02-19, 03:45 PM	#6
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Considering that Sexcounter was all but nailed in the world of trojans and spyware / malware, I can't exactly recomment that you go from one counter to another. You may want to talk to your host about looking for some sort of stats consolidation so you check things out more quickly. Third party counters are (a) a traffic leak and (b) something on your page you can't control. You are only doing them a favor by having them on your pages anymore. Alex

2006-02-19, 06:23 PM	#9
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	http://www.google.com/search?q=sextr...en-US:official I will let you draw your own conclusions. Alex

2006-02-19, 07:28 PM	#11
sabaroth Aw, Dad, you've done a lot of great things, but you're a very old man, and old people are useless Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: amsterdam Posts: 21	Anyway, sometimes I still dream of the days I woke up and checked all my sites with the Cybererotica counter, what was wrong with that? A good counter that also was a banner for a sponsorprogram. Brilliant and never seen again. __________________ Gaia Lives

2006-02-19, 08:04 PM	#12
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	Sab, you won't see it again because it isn't a good economic model anymore. The same reason you don't see new counter programs out there... the economics are no longer right for those things. Alex

2006-02-19, 09:25 PM	#14
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	logan, it is a very, very long deal that explains how sextracker did their deal. However, you can look here: http://www.google.com/search?q=sexco...en-US:official and you will see that sexcounter has also been caught up at least a little bit in stuff. If you have third party stuff on your site, you have to patrol it like mad and make sure they don't take advantage of your surfers. I am just waiting for someone to come out with an RSS worm and then pretty much half the blogs in the world will be fucked. Alex

2006-02-20, 08:01 AM	#16
sexcounter Rock stars ... is there anything they don't know? Join Date: Apr 2005 Posts: 10	Good morning everybody. SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER SexTRACKER is NOT SexCOUNTER Sexcounter has been caught up in no malware/spyware/trojan scandals and never will be. It is an invisible counter which provides NO traffic leaks and you are doing us no explicit favours by using it. We provide this value added service to webmasters free of charge with no hidden agenda. The only reference you will find to Sexcounter in any antivirus/antispyware/anti(insert another buzzword here) software is with regards to our cookie which some people have decided is evil because it is used to track visitors. __________________ <a href="http://www.sexcounter.com/index?ref=19"> <img src="http://images.sexcounter.com/ads/8831_01.gif" width="88" height="31" border="0"></a>

2006-02-20, 09:15 AM	#17
eman Solipsists of the world unite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: xxx axis Posts: 639	At least ONE BIG PORN SITE uses sexcounter. Last edited by eman; 2006-02-20 at 09:18 AM..

2006-02-20, 03:18 PM	#20
Loganp8000 I'm going to the backseat of my car with the woman I love, and I won't be back for TEN MINUTES Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 85	cool Im glad sexcounter came in to ease peoples minds. I always have worried about that, but I think sexcounter is one of the more trustworthy counters! Anyway, i just wish awstats would work with pennywize! ALOHA

2006-02-24, 12:37 PM	#21
gregtx If something goes wrong at the plant, blame the guy who can't speak English Join Date: Jun 2004 Posts: 32	i'll forward this thread to KC.. I think he still owns paycounter __________________ Please Re-Read The Rules For Sig Files