2257 Spit Take - The Christian view

[tickler]

I am going to post the whole thing here so you don't have to visit the site: http://www.christianpost.com/article...porn.law/1.htm

Christian Leaders Support New Anti-Porn Law

An on-going issue of concern to Christians came to the forefront recently when U.S. Attorney General Alberto Gonzales signed legislation against child pornography.

Saturday, Jun. 18, 2005 9:30:09AM EST

After the signing of the bill that forces producers to keep a record of names and ages of actors featured in pornographic material, Christian leaders urged Biblical believers to indicate their support.

"Take action," stated Focus on the Family (FOTF) in a May 27 article that provided a link to CitizenLink Action Center with the option to send a message to attorney generals.

To Daniel Weiss, Senior Analyst for Media and Sexuality at Focus on the Family, this legislation will open the way for a "crackdown" on illegal pornography, which makes up a majority of the $57 billion dollar industry that grosses more than the professional sports industry, according to a new book by Teen Mania President Ron Luce, entitled Battle Cry for a Generation.

The problem, is not the lack of laws, said Weiss, but "enforcing the laws we have on the books."

"Much of pornography or hardcore material that is shown is considered obscene material by law and that's illegal," he said. "If we simply enforce the law, it would have a significant effect."

Pat Trueman, senior legal counsel for the Family Research Council to FOTF, speculated "[The Attorney General is] going to go after pornographers who are violating the law across the board, and I think you're going to see this all unfold in the next couple years and you're going to get a lot of convictions."

Weiss said the issue affects all different demographics and groups.

"It is not confined to men or women. It really affects everyone," he stated.

Weiss said, "One person sneaking a peak late at night is not a solitary thing, but it affects whole communities."

Christian families are not immune. About 47 percent of Christians say pornography is a major problem in the home, according to a 2003 statistics by Family Safe Media.

The U.S. Attorney General met with all other attorney generals for conference and spoke of the need to prosecute adult obscenity, asking them to submit reports - an accountability measure that wasn't done in the past, according to Weiss.

"Gonzales seems to be taking more action," Weiss observed.

My favorite parts:
"illegal pornography, which makes up a majority of the $57 billion dollar industry"
Didn't realize there was that much illegal porn.

"Much of pornography or hardcore material that is shown is considered
obscene material by law"
What law?

"About 47 percent of Christians say pornography is a major problem in the home"
Stop looking at porn then.

[Jel]

How about
"Weiss said, "One person sneaking a peak late at night is not a solitary thing, but it affects whole communities." "

Hell, when I rub one out I don't feel the need to involve the neighbours, that's just being greedy.

And like you, and I suspect everyone who reads this, 'makes up a majority' is plain BS

[tickler]

Originally Posted by Jel

Hell, when I rub one out I don't feel the need to involve the neighbours, that's just being greedy. (

Involving the neighbours probably is illegal.

[Jel]

Not in Christian circles it seems. I think they need a new law.

[Head Boy]

The problem, is not the lack of laws, said Weiss, but "enforcing the laws we have on the books."

So how does pushing pornography out of the control of the US prosecutors help?

[Mishi]

Originally Posted by tickler

"About 47 percent of Christians say pornography is a major problem in the home"
Stop looking at porn then.

Hee! Precisely what I was thinking.

These self-appointed saviours of humanity...I mean, of, America - okay, of white, middle-class America - make me want to...I dunno, exactly, but I'm pretty sure they'd be opposed to it.

[airdick]

Originally Posted by tickler

"Much of pornography or hardcore material that is shown is considered
obscene material by law"
What law?

Obscenity is illegal. What exactly constitutes obscenity is left up to local standards, which is why the pornography available for sale varies from state to state and city to city.

From Wikepedia:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Obscene..._obscenity_law

"In Miller v. California, the Supreme Court ruled that materials were obscene if they appealed, “to a prurient interest in sex,” showed “patently offensive sexual conduct” that was specifically defined by an obscenity law, and “lacked serious artistic, literary, political, or scientific value.” Decisions regarding whether material was obscene should be based on local, not national, standards."

Title 18, Chapter 71 Obscenity:

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/h...0_I_20_71.html

[docholly]

Originally Posted by Mishi

Hee! Precisely what I was thinking.

These self-appointed saviours of humanity...I mean, of, America - okay, of white, middle-class America - make me want to...I dunno, exactly, but I'm pretty sure they'd be opposed to it.

lmao.. since there is a comment section on that article ..maybe we should all go in and remind them it's the parents responsibility...not the gov't to pay attention to what children view... oh and who is watching the husbands??

[Cleo]

Butt Plugs for all of the Christian Leaders!!!

Free the sexual repressed Christian Leaders!

[Jim]

Fuck the Christian Right...
These fuckers should go back to beating their wives and leave us to our own business.

[Greenguy]

Originally Posted by tickler

"About 47 percent of Christians say pornography is a major problem in the home"

99.44% of pornographers have a problem with Christians...and oddly enough, the other .56% have a problem with

[NotThatKevin]

More children are sexually abused by the individuals in the religious community than by individuals in the adult industry.

If I remember correctly - In Australia we have had over 4,000 complaints filed with the police for child sex abuse by the church and not one child sex abuse case has ever been filed against any worker in the sex industry here.

I'm a member of EROS who represents the sex industry in Australia and every time the churches open their mouths they get hit straight back with these embarrassing facts.

[mrMagoo]

This article is filled with such outright lies and nonsense.

I't always makes me disappointed and sad that a religion based on a book that says 'know the truth and the truth will set you free' spends so much of their time spinning half truths and spouting bald face lies.

Of course, I guess I forget that it is for my own good that they bullshit me.

It is no wonder that they are largely supportive of an administration that lectures the world on how to be democratic, then fights a war on its own people to restrict their rights.

Lying, I guess, when it serves a 'higher' purpose like manipulating others to live their lives as one sees fit, or to send them to their deaths over imaginary weapons is OK.

[mrMagoo]

"Much of pornography or hardcore material that is shown is considered obscene material by law and that's illegal," he said. "If we simply enforce the law, it would have a significant effect."

I don't know how this could be since obscenity is defined locally and really what is obscene cannot be known until after a court case. Of course this is one problem with obscenity laws in the first place, that one cannot know before hand whether one is violating them or not.

Secondly, obscenity laws, as they relate to private enjoyment at home, transfer through the mail, and transfer over the internet have been found to be unconstitutional by a federal judge in a recent court case - extreme associates v reno.

I believe that the DOJ is going to appeal that decision.

More info on that case here:
http://www.peak.org/mailing-list/arc.../msg05988.html

[Useless]

Originally Posted by Jim

Fuck the Christian Right...
These fuckers should go back to beating their wives and leave us to our own business.

Cocksuckers. Every last one of them.

[SirMoby]

I would like an explination of this statement.

"One person sneaking a peak late at night is not a solitary thing, but it affects whole communities."

I would really love to hear the thought process that leads to this way of thinking. I believe this thoguht process is very dangerous. My understanding of this thought process is that leads to cruelty that only humans can justify.

Since few people that actually have this mind set are willing to rationally explain it then I guess I will have to continue on with my own thoughts.

[mrMagoo]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

I would like an explination of this statement.

"One person sneaking a peak late at night is not a solitary thing, but it affects whole communities."

I would really love to hear the thought process that leads to this way of thinking. I believe this thoguht process is very dangerous. My understanding of this thought process is that leads to cruelty that only humans can justify.

Since few people that actually have this mind set are willing to rationally explain it then I guess I will have to continue on with my own thoughts.

You are right. There is no attempt to rationally explain it since it is not a rational statement to explain, but an irrational statement to persuade absent any facts.

I remember reading an article in a college paper written by a college girl. She said that her boyfriend's enjoyment of online porn ruined their relationship.

She then went on to attack women who do porn, stating that it was terrible because the only people who viewed such filth were dirty old men who never bathed.

Was that what her boyfriend was, a dirty old man who never bathed?

If this is what passes for debate or presentation of ideas and arguements in college these days we are all in trouble.

[Agent]

Bob: Mary caught Jack mastrubating to porn the other night in his work den.

Bob's Wife: Oh my dear. Gosh.

Bob: Keep the kids away from their house for a while.

Bob's Wife: Only Jesus can save his soul now.

...That's the only "community affecting" scenario I can dream up. Unless they rally together to help Jack. But Jack can easily redeem himself by repenting to Jesus. Then, it's all good!

But don't expect these writers to back up anything they say. If they wanted solid facts to regurgitate they wouldn't be culling from a reprint of a few thousand year old book of stories. They have nothing to back them up. If you see them adopting a scientific fact then it's because it reinforces their agenda. They will agree with science as long as it fits their ideology.

[mrMagoo]

Here is that college article I mentioned. It is worth a few laughs

http://www.kykernel.com/media/paper3...l-892094.shtml

Short excerpts:
"When I was 16, my boyfriend became addicted to porn. The problem affects every aspect of our relationship to this day. I'm overly self-conscious because I know that often when he looks at me, he sees me as an object of his desires rather than the person I truly am. It tears me up inside that his love for me wasn't enough to conquer his desire for sexual relationships with other women."

then this curious statement:
"If porn has such a dramatic effect on me and other third-party victims, much as second-hand smoke does, what does it do to women in the business? What would drive a woman to make that career choice? What feeling do you get when your only contributions to the world are sold in the back of a dark warehouse to middle-aged men in need of a bath?"

And how about this gem:
"As the amount of pornographic content in today's magazines and television ads rises, so do eating disorders on college campuses. Men see gorgeous women on the cover of Vogue, and suddenly women feel they must either copy that look or be undesirable."

Vogue is now pornography?

And this certainly warrants attention:
"Women in porn are making themselves available, over and over again, with the hope that someday someone will fill the hole within their hearts. "

Hole within their hearts? This must be a new genre of porn. |cool|

[gigi]

this legislation will open the way for a "crackdown" on illegal pornography, which makes up a majority of the $57 billion dollar industry that grosses more than the professional sports industry, according to a new book by Teen Mania President Ron Luce, entitled Battle Cry for a Generation.

|help|

I couldn't decide which emoticon was most appropriate...haha

[gigi]

Originally Posted by NotThatKevin

More children are sexually abused by the individuals in the religious community than by individuals in the adult industry.

If I remember correctly - In Australia we have had over 4,000 complaints filed with the police for child sex abuse by the church and not one child sex abuse case has ever been filed against any worker in the sex industry here.

I'm a member of EROS who represents the sex industry in Australia and every time the churches open their mouths they get hit straight back with these embarrassing facts.

Good for you! Sometimes they need to see reality as it truly is....

[serenity]

Originally Posted by mrMagoo

You are right. There is no attempt to rationally explain it since it is not a rational statement to explain, but an irrational statement to persuade absent any facts.

I remember reading an article in a college paper written by a college girl. She said that her boyfriend's enjoyment of online porn ruined their relationship.

She then went on to attack women who do porn, stating that it was terrible because the only people who viewed such filth were dirty old men who never bathed.

Was that what her boyfriend was, a dirty old man who never bathed?

If this is what passes for debate or presentation of ideas and arguements in college these days we are all in trouble.

I got an email from a chick last year who told me to stay away from her fiancee. I was "corrupting" him with my dirty pornographic website (I only show my boobs).

She said I was a shame to all womenkind and that I must be a sad, pathetic woman with low self esteem to do what I do. And, what kind of Christian was I to try and take her man.

Take her man, ain't that a hoot. Never mind that it was her Christian man who paid $29.95 to see my nekkid boobs.

I guess all us man stealin', sad, pathetic women, with low self esteem, who are in the porn industry must be baaaad Christians. (gasp) Maybe even children of the

I guess she caught him wacking off or something.

[SirMoby]

Originally Posted by serenity

I got an email from a chick last year who told me to stay away from her fiancee. I was "corrupting" him with my dirty pornographic website (I only show my boobs).

She said I was a shame to all womenkind and that I must be a sad, pathetic woman with low self esteem to do what I do. And, what kind of Christian was I to try and take her man.

Take her man, ain't that a hoot. Never mind that it was her Christian man who paid $29.95 to see my nekkid boobs.

I guess all us man stealin', sad, pathetic women, with low self esteem, who are in the porn industry must be baaaad Christians. (gasp) Maybe even children of the

I guess she caught him wacking off or something.

It is ALL YOUR FAULT that her man wants to look at porn. If you didn't exist then he would ..... never mind. He would find some other way to get his jollies that she didn't like

[serenity]

Originally Posted by SirMoby

It is ALL YOUR FAULT that her man wants to look at porn. If you didn't exist then he would ..... never mind. He would find some other way to get his jollies that she didn't like

Sir Moby, you are absolutely right. It is all my fault. I must confess, I am a sinner oh lord, oh I went all the way to Oklahoma or Kansas or where ever he was from, pushed her outta the way, held a gun to his head and made him watch my...evil tittie porn

I feel sorry for the poor dumb bastard. I bet she tells him when and where to pee.

[tickler]

Originally Posted by serenity

I got an email from a chick last year who told me to stay away from her fiancee. I was "corrupting" him with my dirty pornographic website (I only show my boobs).

That reminded me of two things(no pun).

A couple of weeks ago a US talk show mentioned that women were demonstrating outside the station for the right to breast feed in public.

In Canada a few years ago some women brought an equal rights complaint about being banned from going topless while men were allowed. They won.

Maybe boobies will make it out of the corset someday in the US.