Common Freesite Ratios

[Llam4]

I've just gotten into freesites, and I'm trying to monitor my stats to see if my ratios and whatnot are up-to-par, and why or why not.

I'd like to know what kind of surfers:clicks ratio some experienced freesite creators are used to. What's average, what was your best?

Also, of those clicks, how many, on average, converted to sales?

For example:
Of the 225 people who were directed to my site from a link list today, 17 clicked a link to the sponsor. So roughly 1:13, or 7.6%, of surfers are clicking through to my sponsor. I don't have any sales yet, so I don't have any ratio for that at the moment.

Thanks guys.

[johnnybg]

It's hard to say what's average. It depends on so many variables.

Ratios can vary depending on: where your FS was accepted, what niche you submit, how old/saturated your content is, how old your sponsor site is, how much image search engine traffic you've picked up, how the planets are aligned, etc.

Just today, I had two sales from one year old sites. If you asked yesterday about ratios for those sites - I'd give you different numbers.

What I can recommend you, and you need to trust me on this - don't look at your free sites stats. There are two reasons: first, since you are just starting, your numbers will be lower than experienced site builders. Second, you will loose valuable time counting clicks and ratios. It's much better for you to keep building and submitting FS, study other peoples work and experiment daily. Check your click stats once a month to see what's going on.

[tigermom]

I don't really track my stats that accurately. I promote the same sponsor over various freesites, as well as blogs and other places. Not always easy to tell where a sale came from.

[Mr Spock]

Originally Posted by tigermom

I don't really track my stats that accurately. I promote the same sponsor over various freesites, as well as blogs and other places. Not always easy to tell where a sale came from.

If your sponsors are using nats you can set up campaigns to see where they are coming from.

[tigermom]

Originally Posted by Mr Spock

If your sponsors are using nats you can set up campaigns to see where they are coming from.

Yeah, I do know that, I just can't be bothered with setting up unique campaigns for each FS. Maybe I should give it a try sometime.

[Llam4]

How long does it usually take you to see profit from an individual freesite?

[ArtWilliams]

Originally Posted by Llam4

How long does it usually take you to see profit from an individual freesite?

I have not done a freesite in more than in a year but when I did:

- I got 1 or 2 sales during the initial period when it was listed by link lists
- I then would get a sale or two a number of weeks or months later when the search engines found them.

I made pretty lame freesites. Also, it depends on the niche and your ability to sell. Don't forget that this entire process is organic. Build hundreds of freesites, start a hub, get hard link trades. All this together is bigger than the sum its parts. Looking at the income power of just a few sites is not a real comparison.

---art (Not an expert)

[Jesse U.]

Do any of you know of good list to submit to?

[annie_cash]

Originally Posted by Jesse U.

Do any of you know of good list to submit to?

I know one (look sig)

[Xallow]

I know a couple too in my sig, Porn Party Porn submits are closed right now though, will be opening up again within a week

[Simon]

Do any of you know of good list to submit to?

At the top of every page, under the GG&J graphic, is a link to "Resources" which leads to a page where you'll see a link that says "Get Traffic" which will take you to a page where you'll find an index of Link Lists sorted by categories and niches.

Or you can go directly to the Master List sorted A-Z at http://www.greenguysboard.com/resour.../database.html

HTH



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[ronnie]

I agree not to be constantly watching stats, but you have to tracks your ads, how they are performing. If not you could just be wasting your time.

I am with Johnny, there are too many variables. I've lost count how many times a sponsor had crap ratio's for me, yet a friend was doing great, and visa-versa.

[Llam4]

How long was it before you guys saw your first sale?
I've been submitting one new FS to 36 LLs each every day for a week and I haven't gotten one sale yet, it's a little discouraging.

[KG Gary]

Originally Posted by Llam4

How long was it before you guys saw your first sale?
I've been submitting one new FS to 36 LLs each every day for a week and I haven't gotten one sale yet, it's a little discouraging.

Have your sites all been listed yet? A week is not long at all.
Have you varied your sponsors or stuck with one or two?
Are you mixing it up with different niches?
So many variables.

My first sale came after a couple of days, but there have been very barren patches since then. Even after six months of building and submitting you can still get a few days without any sales. Just got to keep on building & working. Those early sales are a real moral boost, and they will come if you persist and work through the rough times.

It's a long-term thing, and as has already been said try not to dwell too long on those early stats. Just keep an eye on them now and then to see what you can learn as you go.
Once you have a few hundred freesites out there you should see enough income from them to justify your hard work and motivate you to keep going.

[ronnie]

Originally Posted by Llam4

How long was it before you guys saw your first sale?
I've been submitting one new FS to 36 LLs each every day for a week and I haven't gotten one sale yet, it's a little discouraging.

Besides what Gary mention, are you tracking your ads? How are they pulling? How much traffic is getting to your sponsors? What are your ratio's with your sponsors, maybe they suck, can happen. Are all the sites you made and submitted different niches? You could be spreading traffic to thin.

[Xallow]

Don't remember when my first sale came, but once it came I was like YEAH, and then I didn't get another for a couple of weeks, but then they started to come in steady and have pretty much done ever since... as said, there are some real dry patches once in a while but it will pick back up if you keep at it.

Just keep submitting sites and it will come.

[Llam4]

Originally Posted by ronnie

Besides what Gary mention, are you tracking your ads? How are they pulling? How much traffic is getting to your sponsors? What are your ratio's with your sponsors, maybe they suck, can happen. Are all the sites you made and submitted different niches? You could be spreading traffic to thin.

I'm getting about 2 unique ad clicks per hour, 50 per day, according to my sponsor's tracking. I'm at 168 total uniques now because I just started getting 2/hr recently.

I don't know my sponsor's conversion ratios, I'm using High Def Riches. $1 trials and great quality videos seem like they'd sell well, though.

I list all of my sites at http://www.gosusites.com mainly for my own reference.

[Xallow]

168 total uniques is nothing, you need to get way more before you can do any kind of evalating of your sponsor, and You will get way more if you just have a little patience... this isn't an overnight thing You got yourself into it takes time, but it is worth it if you just keep at it.

A couple of tips:

on the "Dykes with Dildos" site you have this link to the tour: Click here to take the FULL tour!
That text standing alone as a link might be considered to be blind by webmasters and could get your site declined. Use: Click here to take the FULL tour of Chicks Love Chicks! and it isnt blind to anyone anymore.

You could use 1 of your 3 outgoing links on 1 or even all of your pages to promote your hub, which is where you list all your free sites. That way You generate even more traffic for yourself. You could put a couple of ads on the hub. And I would make a clean version of my index for all the free sites, so you dont leak traffic from your hub to the link lists, You would use the clean indexes (without recip links) only on your hub(s).

You are missing 1 of the absolutely biggest link lists out there in your recips... Penisbot, the guys who run Wetplace also run Penisbot and Penisbot sends far more traffic.

Hope that helps a bit.

Oh, btw if you want to have a look, this is my hub: Porn Link World

another btw: If you have only been buildingand submitting for a week Your sites definately haven't been listed at all the link lists yet, Wetplace for sure takes longer to review than a week.

A good indicator on how you are doing with getting listed is Greenie's link-o-rama, they review your site in a day usually and if you dont get an accept mail within 2 days, you arent listed. I seem to remember that he started sending out reject mails too, so You will know pretty fast if the site is good enough to get listed, and if it gets listed there, you can be reasonably certain it will get listed almost anywhere else you submitted it too.

[KG Gary]

In addition to Xallow's solid advice, I think you need to remove The Hun from your recip tables.
You won't get listed their with freesites, you need galleries.
If you want to try The Hun then take the content from the freesites you build and put it all on a single page. Maybe an ad at the top, and one underneath.
The reviewer hates too many recips, and you can get listed there with just a single Hun recip, or even no recip at all.
The cleaner the better, and if you keep your content together without splitting it up with ads you should see a listing or two and some frightening and exciting bandwidth spikes, leading to (hopefully) some sales.
The most sales I've got from a single listing at The Hun is around 21.
The least is zero.

[LD]

I've been submitting for about 5 months now, and just last week I got an acceptance email on one of my very first submissions. I've noticed some of the high traffic sites run behind sometimes, and then "bam"...they'll list several sites at once. Sometimes it's a month or more after the initial submission.

One thing that seems to be happening is that I get listed quicker now than I did when I first started. I think once the reviewers get to know you and your domains they give you the nod a little quicker than they do for new submitters.

My sales definitely have a delayed reaction, too. I got three sales yesterday on sites submitted months ago. It's hit and miss for now, but I seen a nice increase in traffic flow, and sales seem to be following.

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by johnnybg

Ratios can vary depending on: where your FS was accepted, what niche you submit, how old/saturated your content is, how old your sponsor site is, how much image search engine traffic you've picked up, how the planets are aligned, etc.

I see as much as 8 times the traffic for some sites at the same LL's depending on niche (and how well the site fits the niche). I tend to concentrate in the teen, amateur, hardcore, anal and lesbian areas. Some of these tend to be a bit oversaturated on some LL's but that's that primary thrust of my pay site.

I also try to match the niche as closely as possible - If a surfer clicked on "fat women rolled in flower and wrestling with midgets" he/she had a reason (I have no idea what that reason is - you'll have to ask them) and they probably don't want to see some emancipates little "lezbo" trying to force a smile during a "pretend" pussy licking session.

I get my best conversions when:
1. I use fresh relivent content.
2. I place the FS in the correct niche.
3. The models on the FS can be found on the sponsor’s tour.
4. My banners show cute faces, round asses, and pink clits.
5. The overall site has a theme – same girls on the banners/adds as in the FS content.

My three best sellers this month:
http://www.outlawlesbians.com/free_sites/17/index.html
All the pages on this site send traffic but the main page of this on is sending killer traffic to the sponsor.
http://www.outlawamateurs.com/free_sites/07/index.html
Clean and simple – again, index page and main page are sending the most traffic.
http://www.outlawhardcore.com/free_sites/21/index.html
Who wouldn’t want to fuck Anistaija? (if she’s just quit fucking up her hair, she’d be one killer slut). Maybe I’ll fuck her this weekend……….

[LD]

Originally Posted by papagmp

I see as much as 8 times the traffic for some sites at the same LL's depending on niche (and how well the site fits the niche). I tend to concentrate in the teen, amateur, hardcore, anal and lesbian areas. Some of these tend to be a bit oversaturated on some LL's but that's that primary thrust of my pay site.

I also try to match the niche as closely as possible - If a surfer clicked on "fat women rolled in flower and wrestling with midgets" he/she had a reason (I have no idea what that reason is - you'll have to ask them) and they probably don't want to see some emancipates little "lezbo" trying to force a smile during a "pretend" pussy licking session.

I get my best conversions when:
1. I use fresh relivent content.
2. I place the FS in the correct niche.
3. The models on the FS can be found on the sponsor’s tour.
4. My banners show cute faces, round asses, and pink clits.
5. The overall site has a theme – same girls on the banners/adds as in the FS content.

My three best sellers this month:
http://www.outlawlesbians.com/free_sites/17/index.html
All the pages on this site send traffic but the main page of this on is sending killer traffic to the sponsor.
http://www.outlawamateurs.com/free_sites/07/index.html
Clean and simple – again, index page and main page are sending the most traffic.
http://www.outlawhardcore.com/free_sites/21/index.html
Who wouldn’t want to fuck Anistaija? (if she’s just quit fucking up her hair, she’d be one killer slut). Maybe I’ll fuck her this weekend……….

Man, I love your designs and layout! What do you use?...they don't look like templates

[papagmp]

Originally Posted by LusciousDelight

Man, I love your designs and layout! What do you use?...they don't look like templates

Thanks - They're not really templates but I do re-use the shell table that sets up my width, footer, metatags, style sheet etc... – just make slight mods to fit the content and adds that I’ll be using.

I do my gradients and graphics in either Photoshop or Fireworks, and use Dreamweaver for all my coding.

Everything else is based on simple table layouts. Once you understand tables, you can set them up pretty quick. I’ve tried css to position but I get inconsistent results across browsers. I do use css to format my text.

[Llam4]

700 uniques and not a dime

[tigermom]

That's too soon to judge. Most of my FS don't actually make a single sale for at least 1-2 months after submission. It often takes over 1000 uniques to the sponsor (not to the FS!).