Another multi-submitter?

[Fonz]

I've been getting the same kind of galleries from the 3 ladies below. They're all on the same host too...

Cindy cindy@cyber-sin.com
example: http://www.cyber-sin.com/pleasurepuf...xy/index.shtml

Candy candy@hardcore-lust.com
example: http://www.hardcore-lust.com/cocksuc...ot/index.shtml
(I also found a candy@cyber-sin.com)

Jewel jewel@ultimateporn.org
example: http://www.ultimateporn.org/foxycher...dy/index.shtml

smells very funny if you ask me

[plateman]

same thing here to find and although the sites are a day apart It does look like the same person made them and I have TEXT saying to use the same submit name and email for all your sites, And allready they cant read or is autosubmitting or dont follow a LL rules.. So they can sit till I find out for sure.

[AcidMaX]

I have already banned these people as well. I think they are cheating, if you look at their host ip (domain ip) they are all the same:

Name: cyber-sin.com
Address: 66.199.234.254

Name: hardcore-lust.com
Address: 66.199.234.254

Name: ultimateporn.org
Address: 66.199.234.254

Thats just one reason why I banned them. There was something else that tipped me off as well but I dont want to give away everything in case they read the boards. HTH

Andy

[jewel]

Hi everyone

I wish my first post at GGAJ was not done under these circumstances but anyway...

I can assure you that the submissions are done from 3 separate people. I work with 2 other people who submit on a daily basis also. We own the server that the domains are hosted on and have setup the domains on the same ip. ( similar to virtual hosting ). This allows us to combine our efforts and track as one entity. If you check your logs you will see that although the ip for each domain resolves the same the ip of the submitter will be different.

We are not trying to intentionally decieve or abuse any linklist just trying to make some $$$ like everyone else. All our content is licenced, legal and of pretty good quality. We don't change links or use dialers or popups, or many other methods cheaters use.

After looking at our sites side by side I can see why they look similar and we will be working on changing this. I must say in our defence though, most other sites use a standard 5-5-5 or 10-5 or 5-10 thumb layout on their gallery pages and nothing but 2 or 3 ads around the Gallery links on their main page. All our sites break it up a bit to make the surfer look around the page. We try to theme our sites also to give the surfer a different feel for the freesite.

AcidMax if we were intentionally trying to decive anyone do you think we would use similar templates and use the same domain ips. Come on ... Give us some credit. I know a lot of people intentionally abuse link lists but I can honestly say we do NOT. If you check your logs you will see everything I have said to be true.

With all that said I respect the golden rule of submitting ... THEIR SITE THEIR RULES and if anyone feels we have been / are decieving them then I appologise for this but assure you it was not intentional.

If anyone wants to discuss anything please contact me or post here.

Thank you
Jewel...

[AcidMaX]

Jewel if you know so much about what link lists are looking for then you would know, that using the same host ip is going to get you banned at most places. Most people these days are using proxies for submitter ip's so that really isnt the issue. The fact that more than just your host IP is the same is a big red flag. You may want to look into getting seperate shared hosting accounts at seperate companies in order to have different host ips.

If you know alot of people intentionally abuse link lists then why wouldn't your setup raise some red flags and why wouldn't webmasters like myself think you are abusing them? You just admitted you and 2 other people are sharing the same server and the same IP address. I allow one submission per day on Smut Links, so how would this look to you if you were running the link list? Would it not look like you were cheating?

Andy

[RawAlex]

Findpics rule: 1 submission per day per webmaster OR WEBMASTER GROUP.

Jewel, having two of your friends in the same office makes you a "webmaster group", which means you get 1 submit per day total. Not 3.

Otherwise, everyone would be registering domains to their mom, their dad, and their pet monkey, all claiming them as seperate people.

Since link sites have no way of telling if you are three people or one person with split personalities( ) then the assumption is that you are trying to pull a fast one.

Good luck with it.

Alex

[jewel]

Rawalex we are not all in the same office and pulling a fast one was not our intention. Combining our efforts to streamline the submission process was out initial goal. We manually submit to each linklist and try to differ each site from one to the next. ( Obviously not enough though ).

AcidMax I realize what it looked like to you, as you made that quite clear in your first post and I appologise for that. I was simply explaining the way in which myself and 2 other people help eachother submit. I wasn't aware that having the same host ip was not allowed as many Virtual hosts allocate one IP for many domains and/or accounts.

OK ... So besides the hosting the only other problem is the similarity in design. I said we will work on that.

Also as I mentioned I didn't want to start off my posting on this board with this type of thread however I am glad that I did as learning is a big part of this industry.

Thank you
Jewel...

[Ramster]

Here's the problems that I see:

Every domain is registered to a "company" with the EXACT same address!
Here they are:
Intercosmos Media Group Inc - ultimateporn.org
SDE Pty Ltd - hardcore-lust.com
Extreme FX - cyber-sin.com

2 of the domains (hardcore-lust.com and ultimateporn.org) share the same contact email xxxsupport.com which is registered to Extreme FX. SO... if you are all different then WHY do 2 of you use a contact email that is registered to the 3rd person? And your addresses are ALL the same?

You're full of shit! You and you're fake names Jewel, Candy & Cindy.

[AcidMaX]

Exactly Ramster I didn't want to give away everything I spotted and the reasons I banned them, but that was the other. Their information had all the same addresses on them as well as the same ip. Jewel asked if we think they are stupid enough to do something like this, I think the answer is YES.

Good luck getting your sites accepted at most of the link lists. Cheters never prosper eventually you get caught and your sites get removed.

EDIT: Next they will say, they were helping a friend get started in the biz. Thats always the response to someone getting caught cheating it seems like. "Oh I was loaning a domain to a friend..blah blah blah."



Andy

[RawAlex]

Jewel, ya got caught. Too bad, so sad.

Too much in common, too much the same, too much... well, you know.

|goodnight

Alex

[jennym]

Damn, you guys are harsh.

RawAlex - you said the rule is:
"Findpics rule: 1 submission per day per webmaster OR WEBMASTER GROUP."

If this "group" is only submitting one site per day, then what is the problem?

Maybe I am just blind, or a little "unsuspecting", but I haven't seen anything that makes them "cheaters".

Oh well, doesn't concern me really....I was just curious....|rasta|

[AcidMaX]

They are not submitting just 1 a day. They are submitting multiples, 1 under each name each day. At least they were for me, thats how I caught them.

[jennym]

Gotcha. They didn't submit to me, so I didn't know. Plateman said it was just 1 per day to him so I ASSumed it was that way for all.

[Ramster]

Originally posted by jennym
Damn, you guys are harsh.

RawAlex - you said the rule is:
"Findpics rule: 1 submission per day per webmaster OR WEBMASTER GROUP."

If this "group" is only submitting one site per day, then what is the problem?

Maybe I am just blind, or a little "unsuspecting", but I haven't seen anything that makes them "cheaters".

One reason for one person or "group" to use one email and follow the rule of 1 submit a day is that if this group decides to redirect domain "A" then I will see they own a shitload of other domains and ban them all because they have used the same email when submitting.

When they "hide" who they are then I won't catch all their domains and they might redirect 1 domain every 2 days until they've exhausted that "batch". What happens then is I have various domains redirecting every few days.

That's only one reason and that's a damn good one.

On a good note if I see a no DNS on a regular submitter with 100 sites in my admin I might give it a few hours to see if their server comes back up. If the submitter has 5 sites, I can them. No blacklist but their sites are deleted.

[RawAlex]

Jenny, it's also about credibility.

While "Jewel"'s story might be in fact accurate, experience has told me (and a bunch of other people, I can see!) that when you start seeing multiple email addresses and multiple submits, you are likely seeing the edge of the iceberg. You can sink it now, or have them take you for a traffic ride later.

Many people prey on the fact that the majority of link sites don't go back and recheck listed sites very often. They want to get listed, and then pull the site and send 100% of the traffic to a sponsor.

The use of multiple email is to make it harder for link sites to kill off all their sites in one shot. You actually have to do a little research then to swat them all.

Thankfully, most of these people make basic errors in their approach, and with chat boards like this, ICQ, AIM, and other tools, the word gets out pretty fast.

Trust me when I say, there are very organized groups, all over the world, working hard to find new ways to fuck link lists out of traffic and to screw the surfers around with CJs, console hells, scumware, and more. It's VERY sad.

Alex