Should I Keep Submitting?

Licker4U · 2007-05-28, 06:46 AM

I've long been a proponent of "submit to link lists that send traffic" but after intense research (about 30 min) I've found that 99% of my sales since Oct. 2006 have come from two recip groupings. There are only a very few sales that came from one or two other recip groups. Is there any reason to keep submitting to the other lists? I feel like the law of diminishing returns is biting me on the butt.

Mr Spock · 2007-05-28, 11:15 AM

Are these non-producers sending you any traffic?

SheepGuy · 2007-05-28, 01:14 PM

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

virgohippy · 2007-05-28, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

I do it through server logs.

Tough call Licker4U. I haven't been able to figure that one out either.

One of the reasons I still make two or three groups still is the possability that a smaller list will grow, and it takes far less time to build/submit one more mirror then to make another freesite.

Licker4U · 2007-05-28, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Are these non-producers sending you any traffic?

Of course. I wouldn't keep submitting if they didn't send any traffic. My monthly uniques are running around 150K.

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

Sponsor stats tell me what site of mine made a sale. Go to that site and see which recip table is on it. Don't think I can narrow it down any more than that.

Mr Spock · 2007-05-29, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Licker4U

Sponsor stats tell me what site of mine made a sale. Go to that site and see which recip table is on it. Don't think I can narrow it down any more than that.

Another way to do it would be to set up a campaign per recip group assuming your sponsors have that facility , that way you are able track more easily which recip group is providing you with traffic and sales. Bit more work, but it provides you with the info you need to make informed decisions.

Lace · 2007-06-11, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

If the sponsor offers it, you can also setup multiple campaigns. This is a great tool that many webmasters bypass.

Evgenika · 2007-06-15, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

I think the same

Licker4U · 2007-06-15, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Evgenika

I think the same

In your sponsor stats almost all of them show you which site made a sale. That tells you which recip grouping made a sale. Also, a lot of sponsors have a link when you're selecting your link codes which lets you set up a campaign. Put in whatever letters you want to use to track sales and it will show up in the stats at the sponsor.

(Licker4u has been drinking and is not responsible for erroneous posts)

ronnie · 2007-05-28, 05:40 PM

One reason to submit to all would be more linkbacks that could help with SEO. But again, if it's worth to you.

ponygirl · 2007-05-28, 05:51 PM

another thing to think about - if you have links to your hubs/LLs on your sites, how do you know surfers aren't coming from those seemingly unproductive LLs, clicking through and bookmarking your site. They may buy later, or buy something else, but you won't know where that particular surfer originally came from.

in my eyes, traffic is traffic & you can never get enough. If you're taking the traffic that may not buy right away and sending them around your network then it's all good

HowlingWulf · 2007-05-28, 07:03 PM

As you can see it's a gray area that's up to you. I'm a little tougher on those LLs that require category recips even when just launching.

virgohippy · 2007-05-28, 07:13 PM

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Originally Posted by ponygirl

If you're taking the traffic that may not buy right away and sending them around your network then it's all good

A wise hippy once told me:

Don't ignore those who put a little more effort into making a decision.

bDok · 2007-06-15, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by ponygirl

another thing to think about - if you have links to your hubs/LLs on your sites, how do you know surfers aren't coming from those seemingly unproductive LLs, clicking through and bookmarking your site. They may buy later, or buy something else, but you won't know where that particular surfer originally came from.

in my eyes, traffic is traffic & you can never get enough. If you're taking the traffic that may not buy right away and sending them around your network then it's all good

exactly. Every bit helps. If I can submit to couple hundred places and get only 2-3 hits from each one. That's still 200-600 hits. Which if they bookmark my hub, my whatever and keep coming back. It all adds up.
Basically to just have to submit an already made site around some more seems worth it to me.

my 2cents.

Cheers,
B

ronnie · 2007-05-29, 10:27 AM

Good post Lemmy...

Another thing many people don't bring up when this type of thread comes up, which is often, It also can depend greatly on how long it takes for you to submit. Some people have it down to a science and can submit very quickly so submitting to more sites, for them, is not as time consuming as it may be to another webmaster. For another webmaster, submitting to another 50 or more sites, might take more time than it is worth. We only have some much time in a day.

Maj. Stress · 2007-05-29, 10:10 PM

Licker,
If you are burning bw on your mirror you must be getting traffic.

I agree with docholly about On The Bench. I've relearned things I have forgotten a long time ago just by listening in.

Licker4U · 2007-05-29, 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Maj. Stress

Licker,
If you are burning bw on your mirror you must be getting traffic.

I know I'm getting traffic, that's not the issue. I'm using up BW and not getting anything for it.

I looked today for a notice about OTB but didn't see anything.

Maj. Stress · 2007-05-30, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Licker4U

I know I'm getting traffic, that's not the issue. I'm using up BW and not getting anything for it.

I looked today for a notice about OTB but didn't see anything.

OTB is on Saturday afternoons. I have a tough time remembering the time myself since it's one hour off from my time zone but most of the time I make it.

Now about the traffic to your mirrored sites. How are you working it? Do you have a hub(s) in place where you can get more aggressive and offer more choices? You can link up more than a few hubs and filter even more. I was taught a long time ago to offer choices and lots of em and work em through your network until they either move on or hit on something they like. And don't be afraid to spend a few more bucks for extra bw. The best move I made in this biz was getting a dedicated server with a good amount of bw and letting the traffic flow. It does pay off if you try.

SheepGuy · 2007-05-30, 08:17 PM

OTB is an essential for me, and should be for any wise-ass who thinks he knows it all, like me

I never fail to be reminded of something I already knew, but haven't practised as much as I should, or learn something completely new!

3 p.m. Satarday EST, or 1900 UTC and make sure you're in the chatroom, you learn as much there as just listening, everyone helps each other in that great conspiracy against the porn buying public

ponygirl · 2007-05-30, 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

OTB is an essential for me, and should be for any wise-ass who thinks he knows it all, like me

hehe

another vote for OTB here, I always feel energized after the show & start all kinds of things that I try to finish

Besides, it's my only social life to speak of

it does help when you know the players you're playing with

LeRoy · 2007-06-18, 06:44 PM

I am doing submissions manually. Is that the best way?

Licker4U · 2007-06-18, 07:28 PM

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Originally Posted by david2222

I am doing submissions manually. Is that the best way?

That's what I do. I can type as fast as any good secretary so typing isn't an issue. I have a little routine that helps me submit manually pretty fast. When I was submitting to 85 link lists I could get them all done in an hour and 15-20 minutes. Now I'm down to 45 submits and I haven't checked the time but I'm sure its around 35-40 minutes.

Preacher · 2007-06-19, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by david2222

I am doing submissions manually. Is that the best way?

FYI, you should remove the hidden whois (Domains by Proxy) on your submitted URL, or you won't get accepted by a lot of linklists.

JustRobert · 2007-05-30, 12:54 AM

Jumping on the bandwagon

Very nice post Lemmy and so very true about just one table, though ocassionally I go three in hopes of feeling more love

Jel · 2007-05-30, 01:17 AM

People name their mirrors differently and use the 2nd/3rd set of recips to target the 2nd/3rd site title (search phrase) right?

2007-05-28, 06:46 AM	#1
Licker4U Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lower Alabama-The Redneck Riviera Posts: 2,377	Should I Keep Submitting? I've long been a proponent of "submit to link lists that send traffic" but after intense research (about 30 min) I've found that 99% of my sales since Oct. 2006 have come from two recip groupings. There are only a very few sales that came from one or two other recip groups. Is there any reason to keep submitting to the other lists? I feel like the law of diminishing returns is biting me on the butt.

2007-05-28, 01:14 PM	#3
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group? __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-05-28, 05:51 PM	#11
ponygirl on vacation Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 2,095	another thing to think about - if you have links to your hubs/LLs on your sites, how do you know surfers aren't coming from those seemingly unproductive LLs, clicking through and bookmarking your site. They may buy later, or buy something else, but you won't know where that particular surfer originally came from. in my eyes, traffic is traffic & you can never get enough. If you're taking the traffic that may not buy right away and sending them around your network then it's all good __________________ Submit Your Porn I do CSS coding Hosting - JMB Scripts - Tube Site Resources

2007-05-28, 07:03 PM	#12
HowlingWulf Me fail English? That's unpossible! Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: FL Posts: 1,381	As you can see it's a gray area that's up to you. I'm a little tougher on those LLs that require category recips even when just launching. __________________ WordPress Porn directory theme => Maddos Create a Porn Tube => Video Pornster

2007-05-30, 08:17 PM	#19
SheepGuy It's the end of the world as we know it, and I feel fine Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,527	OTB is an essential for me, and should be for any wise-ass who thinks he knows it all, like me I never fail to be reminded of something I already knew, but haven't practised as much as I should, or learn something completely new! 3 p.m. Satarday EST, or 1900 UTC and make sure you're in the chatroom, you learn as much there as just listening, everyone helps each other in that great conspiracy against the porn buying public __________________ If the Environment was a bank, they would have saved it by now.

2007-05-28, 11:15 AM	#2
Mr Spock You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Vulcan Posts: 695	Are these non-producers sending you any traffic?

2007-05-28, 05:40 PM	#10
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	One reason to submit to all would be more linkbacks that could help with SEO. But again, if it's worth to you.

2007-05-29, 10:27 AM	#15
ronnie Wheither you think you can or you think you can't, Your right. Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: midwest Posts: 2,274	Good post Lemmy... Another thing many people don't bring up when this type of thread comes up, which is often, It also can depend greatly on how long it takes for you to submit. Some people have it down to a science and can submit very quickly so submitting to more sites, for them, is not as time consuming as it may be to another webmaster. For another webmaster, submitting to another 50 or more sites, might take more time than it is worth. We only have some much time in a day.

2007-05-29, 10:10 PM	#16
Maj. Stress Progress rarely comes in buckets, it normally comes in teaspoons Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Dark Side Of Naboo Posts: 1,289	Licker, If you are burning bw on your mirror you must be getting traffic. I agree with docholly about On The Bench. I've relearned things I have forgotten a long time ago just by listening in.

2007-06-18, 06:44 PM	#21
LeRoy "Young dumb and full of cum" Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Porn Valley Posts: 2,372	New Kid An The Block Here I am doing submissions manually. Is that the best way?

2007-05-30, 12:54 AM	#24
JustRobert Bow Ties Are Cool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: California Posts: 9,653	Jumping on the bandwagon Very nice post Lemmy and so very true about just one table, though ocassionally I go three in hopes of feeling more love __________________ Submit Your Galleries To The Erotic To Naughty Network!

2007-05-30, 01:17 AM	#25
Jel I'm the only guy in the world who has to wake up to have a nightmare Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: London, United Kingdom Posts: 1,895	People name their mirrors differently and use the 2nd/3rd set of recips to target the 2nd/3rd site title (search phrase) right?