Should I Keep Submitting?

Mr Spock · 2007-05-28, 11:15 AM

Are these non-producers sending you any traffic?

SheepGuy · 2007-05-28, 01:14 PM

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

virgohippy · 2007-05-28, 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

I do it through server logs.

Tough call Licker4U. I haven't been able to figure that one out either.

One of the reasons I still make two or three groups still is the possability that a smaller list will grow, and it takes far less time to build/submit one more mirror then to make another freesite.

Licker4U · 2007-05-28, 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Spock

Are these non-producers sending you any traffic?

Of course. I wouldn't keep submitting if they didn't send any traffic. My monthly uniques are running around 150K.

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

Sponsor stats tell me what site of mine made a sale. Go to that site and see which recip table is on it. Don't think I can narrow it down any more than that.

Mr Spock · 2007-05-29, 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Licker4U

Sponsor stats tell me what site of mine made a sale. Go to that site and see which recip table is on it. Don't think I can narrow it down any more than that.

Another way to do it would be to set up a campaign per recip group assuming your sponsors have that facility , that way you are able track more easily which recip group is providing you with traffic and sales. Bit more work, but it provides you with the info you need to make informed decisions.

Lemmy · 2007-05-29, 09:51 AM

Here's the reply you'll get from most smaller site owners: Every click counts; a hit is a hit; you never know where the next sale will come from etc etc etc.

The reply you'll get from me (pay attention because my opinion counts): I used to submit to close to 200 LLs. Major waste of time. I don't believe there are that many serious LLs in the universe, big or small. 95% of my traffic came from 10 LLs. Based purely on traffic numbers I could justify having only one recip table (16 recips), but I believe in Karma (the Earl principle). Therefore I have a second recip table on most of my submits, gathered from known serious WMs from this board. Not because they send a lot of traffic, but because I like to spread the love around and (selfishly) hoping for some in return. If everybody who submits to my LLs really studied their server stats they'd probably drop me instantly.

The only reply that matters: The one you get from the guy in the mirror. How much is your time worth? Seriously, once the recip table is built it takes a grand total of 30 seconds to duplicate a site. Just make sure everyone on subsequent tables are serious because even 30 seconds is a waste of time if it's spent on a dickhead.

ponygirl · 2007-05-29, 09:55 AM

very well said Lemmy, that's it in a nutshell

japamor · 2007-05-29, 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemmy

Here's the reply you'll get from most smaller site owners: Every click counts; a hit is a hit; you never know where the next sale will come from etc etc etc.

The reply you'll get from me (pay attention because my opinion counts): I used to submit to close to 200 LLs. Major waste of time. I don't believe there are that many serious LLs in the universe, big or small. 95% of my traffic came from 10 LLs. Based purely on traffic numbers I could justify having only one recip table (16 recips), but I believe in Karma (the Earl principle). Therefore I have a second recip table on most of my submits, gathered from known serious WMs from this board. Not because they send a lot of traffic, but because I like to spread the love around and (selfishly) hoping for some in return. If everybody who submits to my LLs really studied their server stats they'd probably drop me instantly.

The only reply that matters: The one you get from the guy in the mirror. How much is your time worth? Seriously, once the recip table is built it takes a grand total of 30 seconds to duplicate a site. Just make sure everyone on subsequent tables are serious because even 30 seconds is a waste of time if it's spent on a dickhead.

Excellent post Lemmy. Well said.

Licker4U · 2007-05-29, 11:21 AM

Good post Lemmy. Something to think about.

Since Oct. 06 I've been making a site with 9 mirrors, each with 9 recips, almost daily. Since then a few link lists have been dropped so I'm submitting to 85-86 lists. I can get all 10 sites submitted in a little over an hour so the time isn't the issue. I'm burning up a lot of bandwidth with 7-8 of the recip groups not providing any sales. You get to a point where the more you do the more it costs with no return. (the law of diminishing returns) I guess I need to make a couple of recip tables with some link lists from the board here (to spread the love around as you did) and see if the Karma comes back to me.

SmithsMedia · 2007-05-30, 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Lemmy

The reply you'll get from me (pay attention because my opinion counts): I used to submit to close to 200 LLs. Major waste of time. I don't believe there are that many serious LLs in the universe, big or small. 95% of my traffic came from 10 LLs. Based purely on traffic numbers I could justify having only one recip table (16 recips), but I believe in Karma (the Earl principle). Therefore I have a second recip table on most of my submits, gathered from known serious WMs from this board. Not because they send a lot of traffic, but because I like to spread the love around and (selfishly) hoping for some in return. If everybody who submits to my LLs really studied their server stats they'd probably drop me instantly.

This is a good outlook on things, Ilike you have gone the whole hog before and seen little in return though I try to support the LL of people I have met here and other places by sending them sites. To me being listed is the most important thing, then the traffic, I get really annoyed when people dont list and clearly are not updating their pages but yet leave submissions open - that in my book is cheating.

Nice attitude dude -

Lace · 2007-06-11, 09:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

If the sponsor offers it, you can also setup multiple campaigns. This is a great tool that many webmasters bypass.

Evgenika · 2007-06-15, 07:49 AM

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Originally Posted by SheepGuy

Probably sound like a newbie, but how do you track which sale comes from which recip group?

I think the same

Licker4U · 2007-06-15, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Evgenika

I think the same

In your sponsor stats almost all of them show you which site made a sale. That tells you which recip grouping made a sale. Also, a lot of sponsors have a link when you're selecting your link codes which lets you set up a campaign. Put in whatever letters you want to use to track sales and it will show up in the stats at the sponsor.

(Licker4u has been drinking and is not responsible for erroneous posts)

2007-05-28, 01:14 PM	#2
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2007-05-29, 09:51 AM	#6
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2007-05-29, 09:55 AM	#7
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2007-05-28, 11:15 AM	#1
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2007-05-29, 11:21 AM	#9
Licker4U Mean people suck, nice people swallow, are you mean or nice? Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Lower Alabama-The Redneck Riviera Posts: 2,377	Good post Lemmy. Something to think about. Since Oct. 06 I've been making a site with 9 mirrors, each with 9 recips, almost daily. Since then a few link lists have been dropped so I'm submitting to 85-86 lists. I can get all 10 sites submitted in a little over an hour so the time isn't the issue. I'm burning up a lot of bandwidth with 7-8 of the recip groups not providing any sales. You get to a point where the more you do the more it costs with no return. (the law of diminishing returns) I guess I need to make a couple of recip tables with some link lists from the board here (to spread the love around as you did) and see if the Karma comes back to me.