Positioning once you're listed?

Evil Chris · 2004-08-03, 08:46 PM

I was wondering about something.
I build the occasional free site in my spare time, and although Link-o-rama (for example) generally lists me, I don't get near the amount of traffic from them that I used to.

I got to wondering how many paid spots or personal spots are listed from the top down on a daily basis before the normal free listings are listed?

I build very clean sites too. One sponsor per site, big clear pictures, and very well laid out.
As an example: http://www.livesexforfree.com/peternorthcum/

Presently I get my best results from Penisbot and Wet Place, who both give me tier values of 6 or 7. (for picture based free sites).

Thoughts?

Greenguy · 2004-08-03, 08:56 PM

Everything on my site is rotated by a different letter each day.

eman · 2004-08-03, 09:06 PM

My sites are rotated alphabetically too - which is no surprise as I modelled my site on Greenguy's

Cleo · 2004-08-03, 09:12 PM

Paysites first and then free sites. All are resorted more then once per hour.

Nothing sends traffic like in the old days since there is so many more lists, also micro niches in the lists, but on a whole I have more traffic then ever, just comes from a lot more places.

Evil Chris · 2004-08-03, 09:13 PM

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Originally posted by Evil Chris
I got to wondering how many paid spots or personal spots are listed from the top down on a daily basis before the normal free listings are listed?

Cleo · 2004-08-03, 09:18 PM

Are you are asking the same question again?

Most of the paysites has my affiliate code since that is the only way I'll list them and my free sites and sponsor free sites are just mixed in with everything else.

Evil Chris · 2004-08-03, 09:37 PM

Easy Cleo.... note our replies are a minute apart and I'm sure I sat here with the reply window open longer than a minute.

I am asking though, generally, how many personal or paid spots do the list owners use for their own ends before they start listing free submits (alphabetical or otherwise).

Tommy · 2004-08-03, 11:05 PM

well I think that mostly depends on the category

I think i take the top 25 in hardcore but only the top 4 links in blacks, top 10 in amateurs

Greenguy · 2004-08-03, 11:11 PM

I don't sell any spots & all my personal links go in just like everyone elses.

I agree with what Cleo siad - traffic ain't what it used to be & if you pick a popular niche, your site might get lost in a sea of other sites

RawAlex · 2004-08-04, 12:38 AM

My own stuff is "in the mix" alphabetically. 95% of the members sites go with my sponsor codes, there are a few select sites in there that don't, but I haven't added a new one like that in longer than I can remember.

It is the "margin" for that business.

Alex

jennym · 2004-08-04, 12:46 AM

All of my sites are also mixed randomly with other free sites. My links are sorted in random order daily. I don't have a ton of traffic right now, but almost all of it is SE, and it is growing constantly.

Evil Chris · 2004-08-05, 10:35 AM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
I don't sell any spots & all my personal links go in just like everyone elses.

I agree with what Cleo siad - traffic ain't what it used to be & if you pick a popular niche, your site might get lost in a sea of other sites

That's a fair approach to your listings GG. I wasn't targeting you for any reason. Just using you as an example.

Cheers.

Greenguy · 2004-08-05, 11:34 AM

No offense taken at all - even if you are a Canadian

Evil Chris · 2004-08-05, 11:33 PM

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Originally posted by Greenguy
No offense taken at all - even if you are a Canadian

bah... you may as well be yourself. You're a stones throw away!

Linkster · 2004-08-06, 05:51 AM

Chris - for the first week we mix you in on the "new" page with hosted free sites and "friends" sites (I am my own best friend LOL) - and there are no paid spots - although many of the LL owners have considered it to some degree in the last 2-3 years

The day that you are listed, you would be towards the top of the listings for the new page - then work our way down the page as new sites are added

At the same time, the category pages are rotated alphabetically every day - so a boost every once in a while after falling off the new page.

I agree with the micro-niche discussion and would stress to anyone building free sites that the smaller niches like smoking, pregnant drunk party etc are where I would spend my time, and would very rarely do a teen, anal or shemale site these days

Even if you have a teen model - I would look at pushing the "petite" style or her using sex toys - something that gets it into a more specific niche - I can guarantee that the returns are worth it

Greenguy · 2004-08-06, 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Evil Chris
bah... you may as well be yourself. You're a stones throw away!

It's not polite to make fun of your own army

Quote:

Originally posted by Linkster
I am my own best friend LOL

BRILLIANT!

Alphawolf · 2004-08-06, 08:09 AM

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Originally posted by Linkster
I agree with the micro-niche discussion and would stress to anyone building free sites that the smaller niches like smoking, pregnant drunk party etc are where I would spend my time, and would very rarely do a teen, anal or shemale site these days
Even if you have a teen model - I would look at pushing the "petite" style or her using sex toys - something that gets it into a more specific niche - I can guarantee that the returns are worth it

We noobies have it rough.

Evil Chris · 2004-08-06, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Linkster
I agree with the micro-niche discussion and would stress to anyone building free sites that the smaller niches like smoking, pregnant drunk party etc are where I would spend my time, and would very rarely do a teen, anal or shemale site these days
Even if you have a teen model - I would look at pushing the "petite" style or her using sex toys - something that gets it into a more specific niche - I can guarantee that the returns are worth it

Having said that, what category should I choose if I did a free site with pics of a babe using anal beads? Anal?

Surfn · 2004-08-06, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by Evil Chris
Having said that, what category should I choose if I did a free site with pics of a babe using anal beads? Anal?

Click on the Hooters button at the top of the page and check out how many different kinds of Hooters are listed in the submit form. That's a good example of micro niching.

Greenguy · 2004-08-06, 04:53 PM

Anal beads could go in toys or anal.

Evil Chris · 2004-09-01, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Greenguy
Anal beads could go in toys or anal.

Well one of the things I sort of worry about is choosing the right category for a "micro niche". Lists want micro niches, and so I do a site based on one, but then the worry is I may choose the wrong category and get overlooked or rejected.

MadMax · 2004-09-01, 11:23 AM

Fetish Philes is extremely micro-niche oriented, and most of my top 10 categories viewed are the odd ones with the exception of "anal", which is number 1 for the last week. (note, the site is still pretty new).

At the moment, since I'm trying to build up all the categories, if someone submits a free site that fits a couple different categories well I'll list it in both of them, but I don't intend to keep that up after all the categories are strong.

To respond to Chris' original question, my free sites are listed just like everyone else's and the listings are weighted by surfer votes (not sure if I'll keep this up, just testing it as my script allows me multiple options on displaying listings). The next update of the script is due soon, and I'm hoping for more options on rotating listings, etc.

Like just about everyone else, I don't allow submitters to submit pay sites they don't own, so currently most of the paysite listings are my sponsors but surfers can filter the listings for free, pay w/cheap trial, etc. and I see about 25% of surfers using the filter.

2004-08-03, 08:46 PM	#1
Evil Chris My eyes are up here. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 914	Positioning once you're listed? I was wondering about something. I build the occasional free site in my spare time, and although Link-o-rama (for example) generally lists me, I don't get near the amount of traffic from them that I used to. I got to wondering how many paid spots or personal spots are listed from the top down on a daily basis before the normal free listings are listed? I build very clean sites too. One sponsor per site, big clear pictures, and very well laid out. As an example: http://www.livesexforfree.com/peternorthcum/ Presently I get my best results from Penisbot and Wet Place, who both give me tier values of 6 or 7. (for picture based free sites). Thoughts? __________________ ICQ 342827

2004-08-03, 08:56 PM	#2
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Everything on my site is rotated by a different letter each day. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-08-03, 09:12 PM	#4
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Paysites first and then free sites. All are resorted more then once per hour. Nothing sends traffic like in the old days since there is so many more lists, also micro niches in the lists, but on a whole I have more traffic then ever, just comes from a lot more places. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-08-03, 09:18 PM	#6
Cleo Subversive filth of the hedonistic decadent West Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Southeast Florida Posts: 27,936	Are you are asking the same question again? Most of the paysites has my affiliate code since that is the only way I'll list them and my free sites and sponsor free sites are just mixed in with everything else. __________________ Free Rides on Uber and Lyft Uber Car: uberTzTerri Lyft Car: TZ896289

2004-08-03, 09:37 PM	#7
Evil Chris My eyes are up here. Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 914	Easy Cleo.... note our replies are a minute apart and I'm sure I sat here with the reply window open longer than a minute. I am asking though, generally, how many personal or paid spots do the list owners use for their own ends before they start listing free submits (alphabetical or otherwise). __________________ ICQ 342827

2004-08-03, 09:06 PM	#3
eman Solipsists of the world unite Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: xxx axis Posts: 639	My sites are rotated alphabetically too - which is no surprise as I modelled my site on Greenguy's

2004-08-03, 11:05 PM	#8
Tommy NYC Boy That Moved To The Island Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 2,940	well I think that mostly depends on the category I think i take the top 25 in hardcore but only the top 4 links in blacks, top 10 in amateurs

2004-08-03, 11:11 PM	#9
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	I don't sell any spots & all my personal links go in just like everyone elses. I agree with what Cleo siad - traffic ain't what it used to be & if you pick a popular niche, your site might get lost in a sea of other sites __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-08-04, 12:38 AM	#10
RawAlex Took the hint. Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 5,597	My own stuff is "in the mix" alphabetically. 95% of the members sites go with my sponsor codes, there are a few select sites in there that don't, but I haven't added a new one like that in longer than I can remember. It is the "margin" for that business. Alex

2004-08-04, 12:46 AM	#11
jennym You can now put whatever you want in this space :) Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: the south Posts: 529	All of my sites are also mixed randomly with other free sites. My links are sorted in random order daily. I don't have a ton of traffic right now, but almost all of it is SE, and it is growing constantly.

2004-08-05, 11:34 AM	#13
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	No offense taken at all - even if you are a Canadian __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-08-06, 05:51 AM	#15
Linkster NO! Im not a female - but being a dragon, I do eat them. Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Sex Delta Posts: 5,084	Chris - for the first week we mix you in on the "new" page with hosted free sites and "friends" sites (I am my own best friend LOL) - and there are no paid spots - although many of the LL owners have considered it to some degree in the last 2-3 years The day that you are listed, you would be towards the top of the listings for the new page - then work our way down the page as new sites are added At the same time, the category pages are rotated alphabetically every day - so a boost every once in a while after falling off the new page. I agree with the micro-niche discussion and would stress to anyone building free sites that the smaller niches like smoking, pregnant drunk party etc are where I would spend my time, and would very rarely do a teen, anal or shemale site these days Even if you have a teen model - I would look at pushing the "petite" style or her using sex toys - something that gets it into a more specific niche - I can guarantee that the returns are worth it __________________ Pussy Chompers Porn Links NSCash

2004-08-06, 04:53 PM	#20
Greenguy The Original Greenguy (Est'd 1996) & AVN HOF Member - I Crop Pics For Thumbs In My Sleep Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Blasdell, NY (shithole suburb south of Buffalo) Posts: 41,929	Anal beads could go in toys or anal. __________________ Promote POV Porn Cash By Building & Submitting Galleries to the Porn Luv Network

2004-09-01, 11:23 AM	#22
MadMax "Without evil there can be no good, so it must be good to be evil sometimes" ~ Satan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Motor City, baby, where carjacking was invented! Now GIMME THOSE SHOES! Posts: 2,385	Fetish Philes is extremely micro-niche oriented, and most of my top 10 categories viewed are the odd ones with the exception of "anal", which is number 1 for the last week. (note, the site is still pretty new). At the moment, since I'm trying to build up all the categories, if someone submits a free site that fits a couple different categories well I'll list it in both of them, but I don't intend to keep that up after all the categories are strong. To respond to Chris' original question, my free sites are listed just like everyone else's and the listings are weighted by surfer votes (not sure if I'll keep this up, just testing it as my script allows me multiple options on displaying listings). The next update of the script is due soon, and I'm hoping for more options on rotating listings, etc. Like just about everyone else, I don't allow submitters to submit pay sites they don't own, so currently most of the paysite listings are my sponsors but surfers can filter the listings for free, pay w/cheap trial, etc. and I see about 25% of surfers using the filter.